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Post by Goonie on Feb 12, 2024 18:23:30 GMT
How else will they employ Johnny Boy? Denise is the business brains, Johnny Boy is just playing at it. It's small change to the family
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Post by stokie1947 on Feb 12, 2024 18:26:15 GMT
no they won't
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 12, 2024 18:28:58 GMT
They don't need to sell up, I'm convinced the lack of experience in the club is the problem. John needs people like Allardyce who've been there and done it around him. You can never have too much experience around.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 18:36:46 GMT
How else will they employ Johnny Boy? Denise is the business brains, Johnny Boy is just playing at it. It's small change to the family If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆
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Post by questionable on Feb 12, 2024 18:54:54 GMT
How else will they employ Johnny Boy? Denise is the business brains, Johnny Boy is just playing at it. It's small change to the family If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 It’d have to be a chase
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 18:59:39 GMT
If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 It’d have to be a chase I go for chubby lasses, they can't run very fast😆
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 12, 2024 19:13:41 GMT
David Moyes has 5 months left on his contract, possibly not to be renewed. Director of Football. I wonder if; 1. JC would consider creating such a position and if he did would DM fit the bill? 2. If offered the opportunity would DM take up the challenge? I’d be extremely surprised if JC isn’t already reviewing the footballing structure and the performance of RM. You couldn’t look much further for the necessary level of experience that DM could offer. Just thinking out loud It would be yet another massive flip flop. Back to the dour after how many games? You swapping head coach too because I can’t see the styles of Moyes and Schumacher complimenting one another or finding much common ground. “Back to the dour games”……….In this order of points per game. Pulis, O’Neil, Rowett and Hughes. Forget Lambert, Jones and Neil who aren’t in the same league. Moyes (if) wouldn’t be interested in styles his job would be points on the board. The DoF (whoever) would only be interested in progress
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 12, 2024 19:15:50 GMT
Lose to QPR and I can imagine scenes like the after 97/98 7-0 pumping by Brum.
JC’s position will be untenable with the fans if he doesn’t sack Martin and SS if we lose to Brum.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 12, 2024 19:24:25 GMT
How else will they employ Johnny Boy? Denise is the business brains, Johnny Boy is just playing at it. It's small change to the family If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 I never get this. He’s a massive Stoke supporter and minted. If I was him I’d be trying do exactly what he’s doing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 12, 2024 19:29:48 GMT
Aye, all about opinions. Its one of the things that makes it interesting in my opinion. I once came across a stokie who thought Peter Thorne was shit. Still convinced he was a vale fan winding me up 😆 I met someone last home game who thought Peter Thorne was shit and overrated. His opinion was that bizarre that everyone went silent. But as you say, football is about opinions. Was it Bayern? He’s always going on about great players being shit
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 19:33:52 GMT
If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 I never get this. He’s a massive Stoke supporter and minted. If I was him I’d be trying do exactly what he’s doing. Each to their own chief 👍 But I hope you wouldn't go about it the same way 😉
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Post by Ygor on Feb 12, 2024 19:40:31 GMT
I don't think there would be a buyer. 'Fading football club in a town time has forgotten with vast and burgeoning debt seeks benevolent owner' Totally defeatist.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 12, 2024 19:44:44 GMT
How else will they employ Johnny Boy? Denise is the business brains, Johnny Boy is just playing at it. It's small change to the family If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 You'd soon get bored I know I did 😂
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Post by Ygor on Feb 12, 2024 19:47:31 GMT
I don't think there would be a buyer. 'Fading football club in a town time has forgotten with vast and burgeoning debt seeks benevolent owner' I think there would be a buyer then it would go tits up and we’d be down the Reading Derby Sheff Wednesday path. But not necessarily. There is the possibility that it would actually be a "Gods" send. :-)
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 19:48:25 GMT
If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 You'd soon get bored I know I did 😂 Aye. You can have too much of a good thing I suppose. Find a hobby John and get someone in to do it for you. Have a weekly review meeting to keep you in touch and relax a bit. You'll be much happier....
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 12, 2024 19:52:41 GMT
If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 I never get this. He’s a massive Stoke supporter and minted. If I was him I’d be trying do exactly what he’s doing. What, slowly killing the club you've supported since you were a boy via continued mismanagement?
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 12, 2024 19:53:24 GMT
If I were John I'd be on a golf course most days travelling the world and out chasing skirt in the evening 😆 I never get this. He’s a massive Stoke supporter and minted. If I was him I’d be trying do exactly what he’s doing. So would I, any fan who had the money would want to own their own club. Even those who say they wouldn't would because they just wouldn't have the will power not to if they were minted. It's the dream
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Post by Ygor on Feb 12, 2024 19:54:14 GMT
We desperately need to keep the Coates family ready for the rule change. They'll pump that much cash in then even John Boy can't fuck it up. If that doesn't work at that point then maybe it's time for change. Do you wanna bet? You are right, I don't really doubt that they'll pump more money in.... but not fuck it up???? Eventually, Denise will sort us all out....
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 19:55:20 GMT
We desperately need to keep the Coates family ready for the rule change. They'll pump that much cash in then even John Boy can't fuck it up. If that doesn't work at that point then maybe it's time for change. Do you wanna bet? You are right, I don't really doubt that they'll pump more money in.... but not fuck it up???? Eventually, Denise will sort us all out.... She will not, she's happily married😆
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 12, 2024 20:34:07 GMT
I mean its getting to a point where they'll think what actually is the point. From their side they'll think we've chucked millions and millions at it. We've kept season ticket prices on frozen prices forever. We gave them 10 years in the prem. We pay away travel.....you get my drift. Yet the fans are never happy and give us dogs abuse. The fans obviously have a slighly different view of it. If I was in their position I'd definitely be thinking long and hard as to whether it was worth the grief. Wouldn't you? I have to come back to this "we gave them ten years in the Prem" sentiment, like we should be throwing ourselves at their feet in gratitude.. it's been bugging me If you look at it historically, the Coates' record in terms of our league position is miles below average. I just did a few quick calculations on our record since WWI (99 seasons) - overall 45% of them are in the top division. If we remove the Coates seasons it's 57%, and if we look at only the Coates years, it's 32%. So very roughly we were looking at 2/3 seasons in the top flight until PC came along, and since then it's more like 1/3. Or, worse, 1/4 if we include the Iceland years. 2nd division is 40% versus 55% and we all know about the unprecedented depths of the third (where they look to be taking us, yet again) Obviously times and contexts change and this analysis is very simplistic, I'm not saying this alone makes them bad owners but as a club we should be *expecting* top flight football, not being eternally grateful for the scraps we get nowadays and citing our glorious ten seasons in the top division out of 31 as evidence of the benevolence and competence of these owners.
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Post by Ygor on Feb 12, 2024 20:35:49 GMT
I never get this. He’s a massive Stoke supporter and minted. If I was him I’d be trying do exactly what he’s doing. So would I, any fan who had the money would want to own their own club. Even those who say they wouldn't would because they just wouldn't have the will power not to if they were minted. It's the dream I wouldn't. If I would, then I wouldn't employ morons who wouldn't give a toss about my dream. I mean, would you? I wouldn't.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 20:39:02 GMT
I mean its getting to a point where they'll think what actually is the point. From their side they'll think we've chucked millions and millions at it. We've kept season ticket prices on frozen prices forever. We gave them 10 years in the prem. We pay away travel.....you get my drift. Yet the fans are never happy and give us dogs abuse. The fans obviously have a slighly different view of it. If I was in their position I'd definitely be thinking long and hard as to whether it was worth the grief. Wouldn't you? I have to come back to this "we gave them ten years in the Prem" sentiment, like we should be throwing ourselves at their feet in gratitude.. it's been bugging me If you look at it historically, the Coates' record in terms of our league position is miles below average. I just did a few quick calculations on our record since WWI (99 seasons) - overall 45% of them are in the top division. If we remove the Coates seasons it's 57%, and if we look at only the Coates years, it's 32%. So very roughly we were looking at 2/3 seasons in the top flight until PC came along, and since then it's more like 1/3. Or, worse, 1/4 if we include the Iceland years. 2nd division is 40% versus 55% and we all know about the unprecedented depths of the third (where they look to be taking us, yet again) Obviously times and contexts change and this analysis is very simplistic, I'm not saying this alone makes them bad owners but as a club we should be *expecting* top flight football, not being eternally grateful for the scraps we get nowadays and citing our glorious ten seasons in the top division out of 31 as evidence of the benevolence and competence of these owners. Good research. As you say times change. But you've definitely made a fair point worth having a good think about 👍
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 12, 2024 20:41:23 GMT
Lose to QPR and I can imagine scenes like the after 97/98 7-0 pumping by Brum. JC’s position will be untenable with the fans if he doesn’t sack Martin and SS if we lose to Brum. Nah.. That sort of thing will never happen again. Reckon we will scrape through somehow and survive by the skin of our teeth. For some reason I'm getting good vibes for Wednesday. Nice shitty 1-0 ...85th minute.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 20:54:03 GMT
Lose to QPR and I can imagine scenes like the after 97/98 7-0 pumping by Brum. JC’s position will be untenable with the fans if he doesn’t sack Martin and SS if we lose to Brum. Nah.. That sort of thing will never happen again. Reckon we will scrape through somehow and survive by the skin of our teeth. For some reason I'm getting good vibes for Wednesday. Nice shitty 1-0 ...85th minute. 95th minute. The roof would come of the stadium 🏟
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 12, 2024 20:56:42 GMT
Nah.. That sort of thing will never happen again. Reckon we will scrape through somehow and survive by the skin of our teeth. For some reason I'm getting good vibes for Wednesday. Nice shitty 1-0 ...85th minute. 95th minute. The roof would come of the stadium 🏟 Not again 😁
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 21:02:05 GMT
95th minute. The roof would come of the stadium 🏟 Not again 😁 After I posted that I thought Butler Street stand oops 😬
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 12, 2024 21:05:38 GMT
I mean its getting to a point where they'll think what actually is the point. From their side they'll think we've chucked millions and millions at it. We've kept season ticket prices on frozen prices forever. We gave them 10 years in the prem. We pay away travel.....you get my drift. Yet the fans are never happy and give us dogs abuse. The fans obviously have a slighly different view of it. If I was in their position I'd definitely be thinking long and hard as to whether it was worth the grief. Wouldn't you? I have to come back to this "we gave them ten years in the Prem" sentiment, like we should be throwing ourselves at their feet in gratitude.. it's been bugging me If you look at it historically, the Coates' record in terms of our league position is miles below average. I just did a few quick calculations on our record since WWI (99 seasons) - overall 45% of them are in the top division. If we remove the Coates seasons it's 57%, and if we look at only the Coates years, it's 32%. So very roughly we were looking at 2/3 seasons in the top flight until PC came along, and since then it's more like 1/3. Or, worse, 1/4 if we include the Iceland years. 2nd division is 40% versus 55% and we all know about the unprecedented depths of the third (where they look to be taking us, yet again) Obviously times and contexts change and this analysis is very simplistic, I'm not saying this alone makes them bad owners but as a club we should be *expecting* top flight football, not being eternally grateful for the scraps we get nowadays and citing our glorious ten seasons in the top division out of 31 as evidence of the benevolence and competence of these owners. FOREVER GRATEFUL. KNOW YOUR PLACE, PEASANTS.
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Post by jokker on Feb 12, 2024 21:23:46 GMT
Do you wanna bet? You are right, I don't really doubt that they'll pump more money in.... but not fuck it up???? Eventually, Denise will sort us all out.... She will not, she's happily married😆 To a Stoke fan and board member, Richard Smith.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 12, 2024 21:42:13 GMT
I wouldn’t disagree that they probably have better things to do. But from what I can see they get absolutely zero abuse other than one or two on here who pretty much get told to shut up by people who think we should never be annoyed at them because they were once good or it could be worse… I agree with you. They shouldn't be immune to criticism. And the way shit has gone down the last 7 years its easy to see why people aren't satisfied. They may own it but its our club too and all that 👍 But I also recognise that this hurts them too as they are genuine Stoke fans. Its a sad situation all round really. Well of course it hurts them, they did good work to get us to where we were. But the mess that’s followed is entirely on them and their cronies that they keep giving jobs too. We’ve got to be one of the most forgiving fanbases around with the shite we’ve seemingly accepted for the last 7 years.
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Post by mcw on Feb 12, 2024 22:35:06 GMT
The sole reason that I think a change will come is just through sheer resignation that despite all the money pumped in and all the efforts ancillary to the football side, that the club has just stagnated. Jon Coates looked utterly shattered by it in that Fans Forum, almost shell shocked at the fact that which ever way they turn they still can't get anything like a stable/competitive team out in the Championship. Add to that the fact that we are hamstrung by the FFP rules then it makes running the club less exciting and less of a pet project into which you can throw millions into on the footballing side to try and push on.
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