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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 10, 2024 2:20:32 GMT
Yep, been so many examples of young prodigies being overplayed in their teens / early twenties and as a result their career at the top level is done by the time they're 30. Rooney, Owen, Fernando Torres, Robbie Fowler. Even the likes of Micah Richards and Aaron Lennon were the next big thing at 20 only to have run out of steam by their late 20's. Even with us there's a strong argument that Shawcross would've had an extra few years at the top level and avoided all those back injuries if TP hadn't forces him to take painkillers to play through injury in his early career. V thought provoking post, (Slightly off topic of the thread, buuuuut:) Do you reckon that's what happened to Raheem Sterling? He looked unplayable for so long and then suddenly like a League two bench warmer. RE: Sol - Think he does need careful management, balanced against the need to accelerate his development. Look at those players you've listed, they were flames burning twice as bright, just for half as long as your Steven Fletcher's etc. Steven Fletcher 😂 He’s been crocked since before he was conceived, he’s just happy to play at a low level. |
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Post by gaznandi on Sept 15, 2024 18:55:39 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City to be precise.
oh, plus Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Wolverhampton Wanderers
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 15, 2024 19:03:14 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City to be precise. oh, plus Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Wolverhampton Wanderers I hope they didn’t watch him yesterday |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 15, 2024 19:58:22 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City to be precise. oh, plus Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Wolverhampton Wanderers One of the first three would be ideal as they could simply loan him back clever deal potentially from our point of view if the price was structured right |
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Post by Davef on Sept 15, 2024 20:28:23 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City to be precise. oh, plus Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Wolverhampton Wanderers Premier League clubs probably have scouts watching all young international footballers. This is hardly ground breaking news. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 15, 2024 21:58:09 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City to be precise. oh, plus Aston Villa, Nottingham Forest and Wolverhampton Wanderers I hope they didn’t watch him yesterday Or hope that they did! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 22:14:16 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch.
People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 22:16:28 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch. People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo. Where do England play him? I think he can any midfield role you want him to. The only thing I'm not sure about is his finishing and that's only because I haven't seen him have chances to score yet,if he can score as well there's no stopping him |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 22:18:17 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch. People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo. I think he can potentially do it all, but might need someone to settle on a position for him for a while so he can master something and become a regular in a role for us. At one point he made up about 10 yards on their striker who was breaking and moved him off the ball, and then he also played about 3 or 4 fantastic passes both from deep and further up the pitch. |
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Post by stoke1989 on Sept 17, 2024 22:19:50 GMT
What a player he is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 22:19:57 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch. People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo. Where do England play him? I think he can any midfield role you want him to. The only thing I'm not sure about is his finishing and that's only because I haven't seen him have chances to score yet,if he can score as well there's no stopping him No idea tbh but he was number 4 which would suggest deeper. I’m not saying he can’t do that. He absolutely can but his through balls, dribbling and one-twos are just so much better used up the pitch. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 22:20:59 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch. People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo. I think he can potentially do it all, but might need someone to settle on a position for him for a while so he can master something and become a regular in a role for us. At one point he made up about 10 yards on their striker who was breaking and moved him off the ball, and then he also played about 3 or 4 fantastic passes both from deep and further up the pitch. Thought Burger was very calm holding with Sol breaking forward and playing super passes,maybe that's the way to pair this two up for a spell,get them both settled? |
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 17, 2024 22:21:31 GMT
Sol's the most ready of all our youngsters.
Usually I like to see them out on loan for a season or two to toughen them up, but I don't think he needs it. Not saying he'll start every week for us, or that he should, but if he can hold his own in the Championship at 17 or 18, he's going to be a serious player by the time he's 23.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 22:21:50 GMT
Is there a yonuger brother too or have I imagined that?
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2024 22:23:22 GMT
Sol's the most ready of all our youngsters. Usually I like to see them out on loan for a season or two to toughen them up, but I don't think he needs it. Not saying he'll start every week for us, or that he should, but if he can hold his own in the Championship at 17 or 18, he's going to be a serious player by the time he's 23. Unless we get promoted,and even if we do, he'll be long gone by then If he's here at 20 we will be very lucky |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2024 22:23:54 GMT
Is there a yonuger brother too or have I imagined that? He has. He’s in one of the videos on YouTube. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 17, 2024 22:24:46 GMT
Thought he was motm tonight.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 17, 2024 22:27:15 GMT
Thought he was motm tonight. Played one terrible ball which.led to a booking, Burger maybe but was so much better than Saturday. His pen was cooler than Samuel L Jackson and Steve McQueen in a fridge |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 17, 2024 22:28:25 GMT
I think he can potentially do it all, but might need someone to settle on a position for him for a while so he can master something and become a regular in a role for us. At one point he made up about 10 yards on their striker who was breaking and moved him off the ball, and then he also played about 3 or 4 fantastic passes both from deep and further up the pitch. Thought Burger was very calm holding with Sol breaking forward and playing super passes,maybe that's the way to pair this two up for a spell,get them both settled? It’ll be interesting to see what the new bloke thinks. I personally don’t think the 4-3-3 we seemed to be playing really worked for enough of our players. Sidibe won’t be ignored after tonight, that’s for certain. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 17, 2024 22:49:41 GMT
He was excellent tonight.
One shocker of a pass but other than that pretty faultless…..
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 17, 2024 23:03:39 GMT
Thought Burger was very calm holding with Sol breaking forward and playing super passes,maybe that's the way to pair this two up for a spell,get them both settled? It’ll be interesting to see what the new bloke thinks. I personally don’t think the 4-3-3 we seemed to be playing really worked for enough of our players. Sidibe won’t be ignored after tonight, that’s for certain. He's had two standout games against a second string Boro and a League 2 outfit, yet was completely ineffectual last weekend in a full on Championship game last weekend. Sol is ahead of his development curve but let's hold our horses, he has a long way to go still. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 17, 2024 23:38:19 GMT
Is there a yonuger brother too or have I imagined that? He has. He’s in one of the videos on YouTube. He was the one who partnered and embarrassed Laurent in that challenge last season when he showed he had far better technique than our captain |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 17, 2024 23:40:31 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see what the new bloke thinks. I personally don’t think the 4-3-3 we seemed to be playing really worked for enough of our players. Sidibe won’t be ignored after tonight, that’s for certain. He's had two standout games against a second string Boro and a League 2 outfit, yet was completely ineffectual last weekend in a full on Championship game last weekend. Sol is ahead of his development curve but let's hold our horses, he has a long way to go still. Those games showed that he most definitely needs to be getting games at Stoke rather than out on loan though. He is already above League 1 and 2 standard |
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Post by a on Sept 17, 2024 23:49:05 GMT
He was excellent tonight. One shocker of a pass but other than that pretty faultless….. Indeed, that and I suppose the lad he was marking got the better of him and scored but he’s a young lad and even our experienced players get rinsed on set pieces at present |
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Sept 18, 2024 3:27:32 GMT
Sidibe and Dixon were class..
Dixon will be after Juniors right back slot.
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Post by monsoonmoon on Sept 18, 2024 8:31:46 GMT
I’m convinced he’s better further up the pitch. People seemed convinced he’s deep lying because that’s where Schumacher used him and he can do that for sure. But it’s a waste of what he can do imo. Agree with this. I think he will steadily grow into a deep-lying midfielder, but where he’s at now it’ll be better for his development to play more box-to-box. He carries the ball really well, looks good with the short, quick passes. As he gets more experienced and fills out physically, he’ll become much more rounded and will drop deeper where he can dictate things a bit more. He can play it at U21 level since they’re all at a similar stage physically and tactically, so the deficiencies (sounds harsher than intended) he has aren’t as obvious. Probably at fault for the goal, or at least one of a couple who made mistakes, but he’ll learn and seemed a bit odd to have him man-for-man with their main target. |
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Post by apb1 on Sept 18, 2024 8:37:40 GMT
He seemed to go up a gear as the game went on. He did some runs like Laurent managed twice a season and looked much sharper and more aggressive in the second half. I know Fleetwood are well below us but he is definitely a hot prospect given his trajectory so far. And the nonchalant pen, like Tezgel's was one to shame the older players who fluffed theirs. EDIT: Here's a photo of his kid brother Bilal www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-wolves-pro-pathway-5591832 |
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Post by andromeda on Sept 18, 2024 8:43:50 GMT
Brilliant performance last night and all this after a poor game at Oxford. Fair play to Shawcross it would have been easy to drop him but he showed faith and was rewarded with a MOM performance. It just showed how youngsters can be inconsistent but you have to take the rough with the smooth for their development. To me he looks to be our biggest prospect and is set for a very bright future in the game.
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Post by dobber on Sept 18, 2024 8:49:08 GMT
Man of the match by a mile for me. A couple of sloppy passes aside (which will happen) he was absolutely quality. Covered ground fast, some beautiful tackles that he not only got the ball but was up and using it in the same movement, a cheeky Sir Stan shimmy to go past a player in the second half, and one of the best first time passes we'll see all season when he hit an almost no look one down the right hand channel to Koumas in the second half.
He's already a hell of a player and will only get better. England awaits one day for him.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 18, 2024 8:50:59 GMT
Sidibe and Dixon were class.. Dixon will be after Juniors right back slot. Shouldn’t be too tricky seeing as Junior keeps going awol and leaving the right back slot empty! |
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