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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 15:14:30 GMT
Wilmot is not shit.
He is absolutely shit.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 21, 2024 15:39:45 GMT
He has done the same mistakes when passing out from defence over and over again, and this is something he seems unable to get rid of. Because of this we need to play Phillips alongside Gibson in my opinion, even Dixon and Rose deserve a chance before him now.  |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 21, 2024 15:49:40 GMT
He has done the same mistakes when passing out from defence over and over again, and this is something he seems unable to get rid of. Because of this we need to play Phillips alongside Gibson in my opinion, even Dixon and Rose deserve a chance before him now. He does make mistakes when passing but that is because successive managers have asked him to be aggressive from the pack. Last night none of the other three defenders or either of the central midfielders make a pass of note. Wilmott has been our most consistent defender this season, Gibson is invisible for a supposed leader and is awful in the ball, slows everything up. Wilmott will be playing at right back from now on because Junior is so poor. I seem to recall you were convinced junior was better than Hoever, I Assume you realise how daft that view was. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 21, 2024 15:51:48 GMT
He has done the same mistakes when passing out from defence over and over again, and this is something he seems unable to get rid of. Because of this we need to play Phillips alongside Gibson in my opinion, even Dixon and Rose deserve a chance before him now. He does make mistakes when passing but that is because successive managers have asked him to be aggressive from the pack. Last night none of the other three defenders or either of the central midfielders make a pass of note. Wilmott has been our most consistent defender this season, Gibson is invisible for a supposed leader and is awful in the ball, slows everything up. Wilmott will be playing at right back from now on because Junior is so poor. I seem to recall you were convinced junior was better than Hoever, I Assume you realise how daft that view was. Is it possible to be worse defensively than Hoever was for most of the time? Don't think so. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 21, 2024 16:10:48 GMT
I bet he he plays next week.
When I say plays,I mean he will get picked.
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 21, 2024 16:19:39 GMT
Sign centre back after centre back on the cheap year in year out so Wilmot looks slightly less wank than his potential replacement. Walter’s clearly didn’t learn that our most successful period in my lifetime started with centre backs who could actually defend. Wilmot is absolutely wank and a huge part of the wankness we’ve witnessed for 7 years. This is bang on. A decent team has a strong spine. The total transfer fees paid for our 2 CBs, 3 CMs and striker last night was £6.75m according to transfer market. If you took Burger out it was be £1.75m across 5 players. It’s no wonder our midfield and defence is weak as piss, it’s been criminally neglected in terms of decent recruitment / spend. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 21, 2024 16:53:14 GMT
Sign centre back after centre back on the cheap year in year out so Wilmot looks slightly less wank than his potential replacement. Walter’s clearly didn’t learn that our most successful period in my lifetime started with centre backs who could actually defend. Wilmot is absolutely wank and a huge part of the wankness we’ve witnessed for 7 years. This is bang on. A decent team has a strong spine. The total transfer fees paid for our 2 CBs, 3 CMs and striker last night was £6.75m according to transfer market. If you took Burger out it was be £1.75m across 5 players. It’s no wonder our midfield and defence is weak as piss, it’s been criminally neglected in terms of decent recruitment / spend. I don't think it will be too bad if we replace Wilmot with Phillips to be honest, but our midfield need to up the game as well. That said, we lost because of crucial mistakes in defence yesterday and not because of the midfield. Burger should have done much better for their third thoygh, but it felt like we already had lost at that stage of the game. |
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Post by pavel on Sept 21, 2024 17:05:20 GMT
I like Ben Wilmot but only because Bayern hates him!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 21, 2024 17:26:23 GMT
Wilmot is not shit. He is absolutely shit. Please watch the replays of the goals. 1st goal they had five attacking players on five of our defenders in the box. Look out for two players marking(or standing next to) one Hull player in no man’s land by the touch line. Watch (I think Thompson) one player standing on the edge of the box like someone waiting for a bus 2nd goal the guy who collects his misplaced pass is 35 yards from goal. Watch the feeble or non existent midfield players trying to retrieve the situation. 3rd Goal. Watch the Hull player cut in from the left and watch the feeble defending before he hits the ball which rebounds of Wilmot I’m not suggesting he is a good/bad or indifferent player but WATCH and consider the problems we may have before pointing all your venom at Wilmot. Try to be fair and balanced |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Sept 21, 2024 17:32:34 GMT
He is a total liability and has been for a number of seasons now.
We bang on about how we desperately needed a striker, but a couple of decent centre backs should also have been priority, Chester, Clarke, Rose, Batth, Lindsey and so on, our centre back recruitment has been awful for years.
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Post by stokedinohio on Sept 21, 2024 17:34:44 GMT
Doing FA in the midfield leads to the goals that you saw yesterday. No control of the flow of the game. You don't need 60% possession to do that, but you need to be able to deter attack before it's too late. There was a 5-on-5 goal? Who is not bothered to track back?
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 21, 2024 17:57:07 GMT
He's not reliable.. none of them are.
We needed to upgrade the defence in the summer and failed to do so.. hard to understand how we thought Gibson was all we needed at cb.
Mystifying
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Sept 21, 2024 18:02:32 GMT
Wilmot is not shit. He is absolutely shit. Please watch the replays of the goals. 1st goal they had five attacking players on five of our defenders in the box. Look out for two players marking(or standing next to) one Hull player in no man’s land by the touch line. Watch (I think Thompson) one player standing on the edge of the box like someone waiting for a bus 2nd goal the guy who collects his misplaced pass is 35 yards from goal. Watch the feeble or non existent midfield players trying to retrieve the situation. 3rd Goal. Watch the Hull player cut in from the left and watch the feeble defending before he hits the ball which rebounds of Wilmot I’m not suggesting he is a good/bad or indifferent player but WATCH and consider the problems we may have before pointing all your venom at Wilmot. Try to be fair and balanced Some people only look for Wilmot mistakes! |
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Sept 21, 2024 18:07:25 GMT
At least Wilmot tries to pass the ball forwards-it’s riskier, but it’s what we need to do to progress! Every time we knocked the ball long it came straight back!
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 21, 2024 18:09:28 GMT
To me, midfield is the engine that runs both the attack and defense.
We've been dealing with a salvaged one from an abandoned Lada for the past several years.
Not only unbalanced, but weak.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
At least Wilmot tries to pass the ball forwards-it’s riskier, but it’s what we need to do to progress! Every time we knocked the ball long it came straight back! It wasn't risky for the second it was moronic, clearly two Hull players Infront of him, he had a decent ball to his right but decided that a ball that was never on was the way to go, he's a liability. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Sept 21, 2024 19:00:35 GMT
Wilmot is not shit. He is absolutely shit. Please watch the replays of the goals. 1st goal they had five attacking players on five of our defenders in the box. Look out for two players marking(or standing next to) one Hull player in no man’s land by the touch line. Watch (I think Thompson) one player standing on the edge of the box like someone waiting for a bus 2nd goal the guy who collects his misplaced pass is 35 yards from goal. Watch the feeble or non existent midfield players trying to retrieve the situation. 3rd Goal. Watch the Hull player cut in from the left and watch the feeble defending before he hits the ball which rebounds of Wilmot I’m not suggesting he is a good/bad or indifferent player but WATCH and consider the problems we may have before pointing all your venom at Wilmot. Try to be fair and balanced Strange isn't it. Of the four defenders last night I thought Wilmot was probably the strongest. Junior got tattered all second half. Bocat never went past a player and the peno, OMG. Gibbo looks like any press puts the fear of god into himm People have players they dislike and ones they like but your review adds much needed balance. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 22, 2024 16:16:09 GMT
It’s not every game he plays though is it because I don’t recall a goal he’s cost us this season until last night. Interestingly, when we switched to 3 at back to chase the game, he looked even worse than normal. Being away on holiday I’ve only been able to watch extended highlights via YouTube and can only comment on the goals. 1st Goal. Yes a mis-placed poor pass. However their player collects/receives the ball about 35 yards from goal. If you get chance to watch again (if you can stomach it 😂) see how many players are between him and advancing forward and are very poor in trying to retrieve the ball. One in particular! 3rd Goal. It’s a slice of luck (all credit to the Hull player for being positive) where it comes off the inside of Wilmot’s leg/ankle. As goal 1 if can watch again see how easy it is for the Hull player to gain the advantage and Stoke the forward into the danger area. See one particular players attempt to stop him. I’m certainly not trying to convince anyone that he is a great player, however he certainly isn’t as bad as some would try to make you think. Presume you mean 2nd goal? |
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Post by clivey05 on Sept 22, 2024 16:44:15 GMT
If we keep with Wilmot and Tchamadeu on the right side of our defence we are in big trouble this season.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 22, 2024 18:25:46 GMT
Being away on holiday I’ve only been able to watch extended highlights via YouTube and can only comment on the goals. 1st Goal. Yes a mis-placed poor pass. However their player collects/receives the ball about 35 yards from goal. If you get chance to watch again (if you can stomach it 😂) see how many players are between him and advancing forward and are very poor in trying to retrieve the ball. One in particular! 3rd Goal. It’s a slice of luck (all credit to the Hull player for being positive) where it comes off the inside of Wilmot’s leg/ankle. As goal 1 if can watch again see how easy it is for the Hull player to gain the advantage and Stoke the forward into the danger area. See one particular players attempt to stop him. I’m certainly not trying to convince anyone that he is a great player, however he certainly isn’t as bad as some would try to make you think. Presume you mean 2nd goal? Yes of course. My excuse trying to catch up with the game (Oatcake, YouTube etc) at 3 in the morning from SE Asia 😂😂. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 22, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
At least Wilmot tries to pass the ball forwards-it’s riskier, but it’s what we need to do to progress! Every time we knocked the ball long it came straight back! It wasn't risky for the second it was moronic, clearly two Hull players Infront of him, he had a decent ball to his right but decided that a ball that was never on was the way to go, he's a liability. Extract from an earlier post Yes a mis-placed poor pass. However their player collects/receives the ball about 35 yards from goal. If you get chance to watch again (if you can stomach it 😂) see how many players are between him and advancing forward and are very poor in trying to retrieve the ball. One in particular! |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 22, 2024 18:33:18 GMT
This is bang on. A decent team has a strong spine. The total transfer fees paid for our 2 CBs, 3 CMs and striker last night was £6.75m according to transfer market. If you took Burger out it was be £1.75m across 5 players. It’s no wonder our midfield and defence is weak as piss, it’s been criminally neglected in terms of decent recruitment / spend. I don't think it will be too bad if we replace Wilmot with Phillips to be honest, but our midfield need to up the game as well. That said, we lost because of crucial mistakes in defence yesterday and not because of the midfield. Burger should have done much better for their third thoygh, but it felt like we already had lost at that stage of the game. Phillips plays left side doesn't he? And I prefer Wilmot to Gibson and he's younger. I think Wilmot does genuinely care about the club. He was so happy to have scored the goal. I think he might be having a spell at right back now anyway. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 22, 2024 18:36:42 GMT
At least Wilmot tries to pass the ball forwards-it’s riskier, but it’s what we need to do to progress! Every time we knocked the ball long it came straight back! It wasn't risky for the second it was moronic, clearly two Hull players Infront of him, he had a decent ball to his right but decided that a ball that was never on was the way to go, he's a liability. What to Junior who had already tried his best to give them a goal. Burger had the chance to tackle the player but just let him roll off him |
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 22, 2024 18:59:40 GMT
I bet he he plays next week. When I say plays,I mean he will get picked. Really hoping he isn’t and Phillips is in. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2024 19:23:15 GMT
I don't think it will be too bad if we replace Wilmot with Phillips to be honest, but our midfield need to up the game as well. That said, we lost because of crucial mistakes in defence yesterday and not because of the midfield. Burger should have done much better for their third thoygh, but it felt like we already had lost at that stage of the game. Phillips plays left side doesn't he? And I prefer Wilmot to Gibson and he's younger. I think Wilmot does genuinely care about the club. He was so happy to have scored the goal. I think he might be having a spell at right back now anyway. He certainly isn't a right back!  |
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Post by ceejays on Sept 22, 2024 19:25:09 GMT
Well he’s a better right back than junior that’s for sure imho
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Post by idle on Sept 22, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
Phillips plays left side doesn't he? And I prefer Wilmot to Gibson and he's younger. I think Wilmot does genuinely care about the club. He was so happy to have scored the goal. I think he might be having a spell at right back now anyway. He certainly isn't a right back! Depends on what you want the RB to do. As a TP style defensive full back playing behind a winger, he's probably better than Junior. As a modern attacking fullback, he'll be total shite. I also think he'll get a run at RB under Pelach. |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 22, 2024 20:24:10 GMT
He is a total liability and has been for a number of seasons now. We bang on about how we desperately needed a striker, but a couple of decent centre backs should also have been priority, Chester, Clarke, Rose, Batth, Lindsey and so on, our centre back recruitment has been awful for years. I wouldn't include Batth in that list personally. The rest have been shite though. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2024 20:28:05 GMT
It wasn't risky for the second it was moronic, clearly two Hull players Infront of him, he had a decent ball to his right but decided that a ball that was never on was the way to go, he's a liability. Extract from an earlier post Yes a mis-placed poor pass. However their player collects/receives the ball about 35 yards from goal. If you get chance to watch again (if you can stomach it 😂) see how many players are between him and advancing forward and are very poor in trying to retrieve the ball. One in particular! Yes theres other players, some also trying to run back but that ball puts them all on the back foot and in panic mode, the pass to the right would have avoided it all and wouldn't have given them any chance at all. |
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Post by figo85 on Sept 22, 2024 21:15:22 GMT
Wilmot is not shit. He is absolutely shit. Please watch the replays of the goals. 1st goal they had five attacking players on five of our defenders in the box. Look out for two players marking(or standing next to) one Hull player in no man’s land by the touch line. Watch (I think Thompson) one player standing on the edge of the box like someone waiting for a bus 2nd goal the guy who collects his misplaced pass is 35 yards from goal. Watch the feeble or non existent midfield players trying to retrieve the situation. 3rd Goal. Watch the Hull player cut in from the left and watch the feeble defending before he hits the ball which rebounds of Wilmot I’m not suggesting he is a good/bad or indifferent player but WATCH and consider the problems we may have before pointing all your venom at Wilmot. Try to be fair and balanced The midfield may have thought that there was nice chance he was f’ing this up and were caught a bit off guard when he decided to just roll it to their player. He couldn’t mark a traffic cone in his own 6 yards area and he is painfully slow, it’s like watching a tug boat. |
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