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Post by HarryTheHat on May 14, 2023 19:37:00 GMT
Lack of pace is Souttars major flaw at the top level. Wilmot will never be good enough to play regularly in the Premier League, not a chance. If I had to pick one to be at the heart of my defence in this division, then its Souttar every day of the week, head and shoulders above Wilmot in his performances for us. As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be Harry won't be troubling the Premier League again for a long time if Leicester drop, unless one of the newly-promoted teams are minded to take a punt. He's just too slow and he's only going to get slower as he gets older Of the 4 young-ish centre-halves that we've had in recent years, it's Collins, Wilmot, Souttar and then Taylor in last place in terms of ability / worth |
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Post by mtrstudent on May 15, 2023 0:28:51 GMT
As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be Harry won't be troubling the Premier League again for a long time if Leicester drop, unless one of the newly-promoted teams are minded to take a punt. He's just too slow and he's only going to get slower as he gets older Of the 4 young-ish centre-halves that we've had in recent years, it's Collins, Wilmot, Souttar and then Taylor in last place in terms of ability / worth I always felt that Souttar's long passes out from the back were better than Wilmot. He often seemed to find an extra yard and then ping forward something precise. Maybe the stats prove me wrong. |
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Post by george2again on May 15, 2023 5:19:59 GMT
Lack of pace is Souttars major flaw at the top level. Wilmot will never be good enough to play regularly in the Premier League, not a chance. If I had to pick one to be at the heart of my defence in this division, then its Souttar every day of the week, head and shoulders above Wilmot in his performances for us. As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? So a former Liverpool and Celtic manager with years experience in the Premier league chooses a player who had a magnificent World Cup over Wilmot and he made the wrong choice? Your having a laugh. Wilmot is a very average champ defender who’s not he best in the air. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 15, 2023 5:42:14 GMT
As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be I’m struggling to think of a single area in which Wilmot is a better footballer than Souttar. I don’t even think he’s any quicker. |
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on May 15, 2023 5:53:14 GMT
Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be I’m struggling to think of a single area in which Wilmot is a better footballer than Souttar. I don’t even think he’s any quicker. Goals scored? |
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Post by HarryTheHat on May 15, 2023 6:02:18 GMT
As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? So a former Liverpool and Celtic manager with years experience in the Premier league chooses a player who had a magnificent World Cup over Wilmot and he made the wrong choice? Your having a laugh. Wilmot is a very average champ defender who’s not he best in the air. How did that work out for Brendan? How many minutes is Harry getting these days? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2023 6:59:41 GMT
I honestly don’t think we could get our money back for Wilmot (even if he wasn’t injured).
Souttar is clearly a better player and worth more.
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Post by Veritas on May 15, 2023 7:13:13 GMT
Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be I’m struggling to think of a single area in which Wilmot is a better footballer than Souttar. I don’t even think he’s any quicker. I think he is a bit quicker but Souttar is easily the better player. That of course is not say Wilmot is no good or won't improve further. |
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Post by idle on May 15, 2023 7:13:37 GMT
Why are we talking so much about a Leicester player? I don't care about him, except when we face him on the pitch next season.
Wilmots our player, and a totally different type of player even if they play in the same position. Comparing apples and oranges IMO.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 15, 2023 7:33:42 GMT
I honestly don’t think we could get our money back for Wilmot (even if he wasn’t injured). Souttar is clearly a better player and worth more. We’d get our money back instantly if we sold Wilmot…… |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2023 7:55:14 GMT
I honestly don’t think we could get our money back for Wilmot (even if he wasn’t injured). Souttar is clearly a better player and worth more. We’d get our money back instantly if we sold Wilmot…… Who’s gonna buy him for 2m? And if we could then we absolutely should. |
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Post by biglad180 on May 15, 2023 7:58:54 GMT
Wilmot is much more of a complete footballer than Souttar will ever be I’m struggling to think of a single area in which Wilmot is a better footballer than Souttar. I don’t even think he’s any quicker. wilmot is our player Soutter is not Harry left us in good pocket but if anyone thinks harry is a top defender they are kidding themselves,take a look at where leicester are in the league and Soutter is part of that squad, i say squad because he as been dropped a few times since he left, its my opinion but i would not take soutter back, even on loan, |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 15, 2023 8:53:23 GMT
As I say different opinions. I'd pick Wilmot, he's the better footballer and reads the game better. Just out of interest have you read Potterlytics piece on Wilmot? So a former Liverpool and Celtic manager with years experience in the Premier league chooses a player who had a magnificent World Cup over Wilmot and he made the wrong choice? Your having a laugh. Wilmot is a very average champ defender who’s not he best in the air. Souttar is great in a team which sits deep like Australia do and has no space behind him. As soon as he has to defend on the halfway line as Rogers asked him to he is in trouble. That was true even in the Championship. Again I would ask you have you read Potterlytics analysis of Wilmot. He highlights how Wilmot reads the game so well that he arrives just in time to intercept a pass, something which I suspect passes unnoticed by most fans at a game or watching on TV. I prefer Wilmot not necessarily for his defending but for the way he brings or passes the ball forward again highlighted by Potterlytics who demonstrates how he breaks the line of opposition team with his passing which considering the risk he takes with his passes has a high completion rate. He only takes the easy option when there is nothing on in front of him. Do you think that the reason we reverted to sideways passing on the back line after Wilmot's injury was because of a change of tactic or was it because, as Neil himself says he is the best defensive player at getting the ball forward usually along the ground to a player in an advanced position. Souttar's trademark pass is a long diagonal one to the opposite wing, easy to predict and difficult to get accurate. I really again urge fans to read Potterlytics article which really does put light on what a good defender Wilmot can be. There is a lot of talk on here about how Stoke should be following Brighton and Brentford and using data led recruitment yet when it comes to judging our own players would rather use their own eyes than the available statistics. EDIT : Here is the link for those interested potterlytics.blog/2023/04/30/potterlytics-potter-of-the-season-ben-wilmot/ |
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Post by PotterLog on May 15, 2023 12:37:06 GMT
I’m struggling to think of a single area in which Wilmot is a better footballer than Souttar. I don’t even think he’s any quicker. wilmot is our player Soutter is not Harry left us in good pocket but if anyone thinks harry is a top defender they are kidding themselves,take a look at where leicester are in the league and Soutter is part of that squad, i say squad because he as been dropped a few times since he left, its my opinion but i would not take soutter back, even on loan, Presumably you wouldn’t take Maddison or Tielemans either then. Daft point |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 15, 2023 12:38:27 GMT
We’d get our money back instantly if we sold Wilmot…… Who’s gonna buy him for 2m? And if we could then we absolutely should. Lots of clubs would pay £2m for Wilmot, he's a 23 year old centre half who will get better with age........ |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2023 13:05:39 GMT
Who’s gonna buy him for 2m? And if we could then we absolutely should. Lots of clubs would pay £2m for Wilmot, he's a 23 year old centre half who will get better with age........ He’s only got worse with age so far. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 15, 2023 13:07:14 GMT
Lots of clubs would pay £2m for Wilmot, he's a 23 year old centre half who will get better with age........ He’s only got worse with age so far. Out of interest have you looked at Potterlytics analysis of Wilmot or are you just going on gut feeling? |
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Post by biglad180 on May 15, 2023 13:41:48 GMT
wilmot is our player Soutter is not Harry left us in good pocket but if anyone thinks harry is a top defender they are kidding themselves,take a look at where leicester are in the league and Soutter is part of that squad, i say squad because he as been dropped a few times since he left, its my opinion but i would not take soutter back, even on loan, Presumably you wouldn’t take Maddison or Tielemans either then. Daft point why would i not take them 2 never mentioned them ,,never rated soutter and him been dropped is proving me right, oh and i would take Barnes and Vardy, |
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Post by PotterLog on May 15, 2023 14:04:13 GMT
Presumably you wouldn’t take Maddison or Tielemans either then. Daft point why would i not take them 2 never mentioned them ,,never rated soutter and him been dropped is proving me right, oh and i would take Barnes and Vardy, "take a look where Leicester are in the league and they are part of that squad" What has him being dropped from Leicester got to do with whether or not he's good enough for us? Are you aware the Premier League is a slightly different level from the one we're playing at? He proved he was an exceptional Champo defender, he's struggled a bit in a poor Prem team but it's nonsensical to use that as evidence he's not good enough for us. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 15, 2023 14:37:36 GMT
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Post by Veritas on May 15, 2023 14:39:46 GMT
Not hold a grudge! I would take him off at the knees first opportunity. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 15, 2023 14:50:52 GMT
Not hold a grudge! I would take him off at the knees first opportunity. Yes I must admit I’d be tempted as well😊 |
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Post by biglad180 on May 15, 2023 14:59:43 GMT
why would i not take them 2 never mentioned them ,,never rated soutter and him been dropped is proving me right, oh and i would take Barnes and Vardy, "take a look where Leicester are in the league and they are part of that squad" What has him being dropped from Leicester got to do with whether or not he's good enough for us? Are you aware the Premier League is a slightly different level from the one we're playing at? He proved he was an exceptional Champo defender, he's struggled a bit in a poor Prem team but it's nonsensical to use that as evidence he's not good enough for us. never said he was not good enough for us i said i would not take him back, why bring other leicester players into it,not knocking Soutter we got good money for him don,t worry you will be able see him play again next season |
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Post by biglad180 on May 15, 2023 15:25:29 GMT
"take a look where Leicester are in the league and they are part of that squad" What has him being dropped from Leicester got to do with whether or not he's good enough for us? Are you aware the Premier League is a slightly different level from the one we're playing at? He proved he was an exceptional Champo defender, he's struggled a bit in a poor Prem team but it's nonsensical to use that as evidence he's not good enough for us. never said he was not good enough for us i said i would not take him back, why bring other leicester players into it,not knocking Soutter we got good money for him don,t worry you will be able see him play again next season PS you will not be able see Tielemans or Maddison next season because even though they are all part of the same squad that will take them down, someone else will buy them lets see who comes in for Harry, |
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Post by PotterLog on May 15, 2023 16:00:59 GMT
"take a look where Leicester are in the league and they are part of that squad" What has him being dropped from Leicester got to do with whether or not he's good enough for us? Are you aware the Premier League is a slightly different level from the one we're playing at? He proved he was an exceptional Champo defender, he's struggled a bit in a poor Prem team but it's nonsensical to use that as evidence he's not good enough for us. never said he was not good enough for us i said i would not take him back, why bring other leicester players into it,not knocking Soutter we got good money for him don,t worry you will be able see him play again next season  You've spent several posts talking about how he's been dropped, you've never rated him, he's not a top defender, contributed to Leicester's relegation etc, and against that backdrop you said you wouldn't take him back. Now you're saying he is good enough but you wouldn't take him back for some other reason? Really dunno what point you're trying to make. He's found it tough in the Prem so far but he's an excellent Champo defender, it'd be a no-brainer. Not that it's remotely going to happen anyway so it's all moot |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2023 16:11:53 GMT
He’s only got worse with age so far. Out of interest have you looked at Potterlytics analysis of Wilmot or are you just going on gut feeling? I’m going on watching him. He was better when he first joined. Mistakes have readily crept into his game. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 15, 2023 16:38:36 GMT
Out of interest have you looked at Potterlytics analysis of Wilmot or are you just going on gut feeling? I’m going on watching him. He was better when he first joined. Mistakes have readily crept into his game. And also out of interest are you one of the fans on here who advocates Stoke following the Brighton/Brentford model of anytical led recruitment? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 15, 2023 16:44:50 GMT
I’m going on watching him. He was better when he first joined. Mistakes have readily crept into his game. And also out of interest are you one of the fans on here who advocates Stoke following the Brighton/Brentford model of anytical led recruitment? I couldn’t give a monkeys how we do it. Xg is bollocks though. |
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Post by biglad180 on May 15, 2023 17:16:49 GMT
never said he was not good enough for us i said i would not take him back, why bring other leicester players into it,not knocking Soutter we got good money for him don,t worry you will be able see him play again next season You've spent several posts talking about how he's been dropped, you've never rated him, he's not a top defender, contributed to Leicester's relegation etc, and against that backdrop you said you wouldn't take him back. Now you're saying he is good enough but you wouldn't take him back for some other reason? Really dunno what point you're trying to make. He's found it tough in the Prem so far but he's an excellent Champo defender, it'd be a no-brainer. Not that it's remotely going to happen anyway so it's all moot where did i say he was good enough for us, and he contributed to leicesters impending relegation, |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 18:09:07 GMT
And also out of interest are you one of the fans on here who advocates Stoke following the Brighton/Brentford model of anytical led recruitment? I couldn’t give a monkeys how we do it. Xg is bollocks though. Genuinely what do you think xG is? |
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You've spent several posts talking about how he's been dropped, you've never rated him, he's not a top defender, contributed to Leicester's relegation etc, and against that backdrop you said you wouldn't take him back. Now you're saying he is good enough but you wouldn't take him back for some other reason? Really dunno what point you're trying to make.
