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Post by thehoof on Aug 30, 2023 20:26:54 GMT
Pulis does deserve to be remembered very fondly for what he achieved We did get rid at the right time though, it’s only an opinion but I think he would have relegated us within another 12 months. It doesn’t alter the fact that he achieved something I didn’t think I’d get to see; SCFC in the Premier and being competitive at home , and of course getting us to the FA cup final.
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Post by thicknthin on Aug 30, 2023 20:35:16 GMT
He tried to bomb out Lawrence in that first season in the Prem and tried to replace Wilko and Whelan constantly. He spent £5m on Whitehead who couldn’t hold a candle to Whelan. Again, those first few seasons up to summer 2011 were great but it wasn’t quite as you’re suggesting. Thats evolution. He replaced simo with sorensen and then got bego. And did so with every position. Lawrence was replaced with the much better pennant and then the team became Sorensen Wilko Shawcross Huth Higgy Pennant Whelan Delap Etherington Jones walters This was the starting line up virtually every week. Evolution. Improvement season after season. Whitehead as you fairly pointed out was arguably not an improvement however, he started virtually every game, worked his arse off and the theory that there was questions over his team sheet every week remains complete bollocks. If in ten years we suggest there was questions over the team sheets of rowett, Jones, MON and Neil I'll say "bang on there was. We were wank. The managers hadn't got a clue who the best team were, none of us knew who would be in the team, I argued with my friends over whether bojan should be in the team or whether Clarke or Stirling should be at RB or whether any of the drongos should be in the team at any given time. Or even what formation we should play". Something like that. If in a further 20 years someone brings up Pulis' teams we won't be in the pub saying we questioned his team sheets. We will be able to name the team off by heart for every season he was at the club. I remember a lot of his games less fondly, and plenty of people in the pub or around me in the stadium used to question the lineup, Shotton on the wing anyone? Seeing out 1-0 defeats? Zzz
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 30, 2023 20:55:26 GMT
The ‘team that picked itself easily’ wasn’t one he actually picked that often though. It should’ve been picked a lot more often than it actually was.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 30, 2023 21:00:34 GMT
Pulis will always divide opinions.
But the shitshow we’ve seen with managers post Hughes suggests he did have a knack for building a team and implementing an effective system.
He got results and sadly most of our managers since he left have only been good at getting one result. The one that gets 0 points.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 30, 2023 21:02:40 GMT
Pulis will always divide opinions. But the shitshow we’ve seen with managers post Hughes suggests he did have a knack for building a team and implementing an effective system. He got results and sadly most of our managers since he left have only been good at getting one result. The one that gets 0 points. He did until he didn’t, like even the best managers. If We’d repeated the trick of getting rid at the right time we wouldn’t have sunk to the depths we did.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 30, 2023 21:05:56 GMT
Pulis will always divide opinions. But the shitshow we’ve seen with managers post Hughes suggests he did have a knack for building a team and implementing an effective system. He got results and sadly most of our managers since he left have only been good at getting one result. The one that gets 0 points. He did until he didn’t, like even the best managers. If We’d repeated the trick of getting rid at the right time we wouldn’t have sunk to the depths we did. Yeah he definitely had a sell by date. Then again so did Hughes. Knowing when to stick or twist is the crucial part. And we seem great at getting it wrong.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 30, 2023 21:07:29 GMT
He did until he didn’t, like even the best managers. If We’d repeated the trick of getting rid at the right time we wouldn’t have sunk to the depths we did. Yeah he definitely had a sell by date. Then again so did Hughes. Knowing when to stick or twist is the crucial part. And we seem great at getting it wrong. Yeah if we’d have got rid of Hughes 12-18 months sooner there’s a good chance we don’t go down and he’d certainly be remembered more fondly by more people.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 30, 2023 21:09:37 GMT
Yeah he definitely had a sell by date. Then again so did Hughes. Knowing when to stick or twist is the crucial part. And we seem great at getting it wrong. Yeah if we’d have got rid of Hughes 12-18 months sooner there’s a good chance we don’t go down and he’d certainly be remembered more fondly by more people. On the flip side I’m convinced he’d have kept us up.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 30, 2023 21:19:18 GMT
Some call it a tactical tweak, others call it forcing one of our best ever defensive midfielders out wide because we had a manager that wanted to play a formation that needed wingers but didn’t often trust wingers to play in that formation. I agree though, Pulis was rigid in his team selections. It was one of the things that led to him getting sacked, in my opinion. Great manager for this club though. One of the best we’ve ever had.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 30, 2023 21:41:58 GMT
A dreadful February, March, April and a couple of games in May saw us comfortably safe and 4 points short of ninth. Can anyone remember our fixtures in February after signing Brek Shea and Jack Butland?
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Post by ceejays on Aug 30, 2023 21:46:28 GMT
I don't buy that Tony, a famously fiercely competitive manager who would have bitten your arm off for £12m to spend on grafters in return for a waster of a centre forward, favoured his old mate over his own position and actual employers and told Coates not to buy him. That’s your prerogative Toxic but that’s exactly what happened whether you buy it or not. I really don’t care. Complete bollocks from anchorman . It’s on record somewhere that after Berahino proved to be a knob Pulis asked Coates why he never rang him to ask his opinion . Coates answer was that he would never have compromised Pulis’ position .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 30, 2023 21:48:21 GMT
A dreadful February, March, April and a couple of games in May saw us comfortably safe and 4 points short of ninth. Can anyone remember our fixtures in February after signing Brek Shea and Jack Butland? We won one game in four months, finished 91st in the pyramid for goals scored and were heading for the relegation mix before getting a couple of decent results to pull us out of it. We had a poor second half to the previous season as well in which we only four times after New Year’s Day. The good run of form we had in the first half of his final season came when injuries forced him to play players he didn’t consider first choice and when they came back the goals and results dried up. His signings in his last 3-4 windows didn’t improve us markedly bar Nzonzi, who looked better after he’d gone. It was over. Awful to watch and no longer effective. We were going backwards.
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Post by ceejays on Aug 30, 2023 21:53:11 GMT
My one gripes about TP was that he didn’t let Wiko take that penalty against Chelsea . The match was already lost . Walters was having a mare . So he took the penalty and to compound his nightmare missed . Wilko was desperate to score for us and we as fans were desperately wanting him to score too
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Post by anchorman on Aug 30, 2023 21:55:36 GMT
That’s your prerogative Toxic but that’s exactly what happened whether you buy it or not. I really don’t care. Complete bollocks from anchorman . It’s on record somewhere that after Berahino proved to be a knob Pulis asked Coates why he never rang him to ask his opinion . Coates answer was that he would never have compromised Pulis’ position . 🤷♂️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 21:58:12 GMT
My one gripes about TP was that he didn’t let Wiko take that penalty against Chelsea . The match was already lost . Walters was having a mare . So he took the penalty and to compound his nightmare missed . Wilko was desperate to score for us and we as fans were desperately wanting him to score too Wilko almost scored a wonder goal against Man Utd IIRC. Mazy run and the shot at the end looked like it was heading top corner for a moment.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 30, 2023 22:30:07 GMT
Yeah if we’d have got rid of Hughes 12-18 months sooner there’s a good chance we don’t go down and he’d certainly be remembered more fondly by more people. On the flip side I’m convinced he’d have kept us up. I definitely was happy the day he was sacked after the FA Cup defeat at Coventry but that was because I didn’t think the club were completely clueless about who was going to replace him. If it had been a choice of continuing with Hughes or appointing Paul fucking Lambert I would definitely have stuck with Hughes. If we’d have gone down under Hughes it would have been on his CV which he would have deserved. BM
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Post by RWChris on Aug 30, 2023 23:13:44 GMT
My one gripes about TP was that he didn’t let Wiko take that penalty against Chelsea . The match was already lost . Walters was having a mare . So he took the penalty and to compound his nightmare missed . Wilko was desperate to score for us and we as fans were desperately wanting him to score too Wilko almost scored a wonder goal against Man Utd IIRC. Mazy run and the shot at the end looked like it was heading top corner for a moment. Think it was Portsmouth. 1-0 (Fuller) on the tele.
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Post by Linx on Aug 31, 2023 7:42:15 GMT
On the flip side I’m convinced he’d have kept us up. I definitely was happy the day he was sacked after the FA Cup defeat at Coventry but that was because I didn’t think the club were completely clueless about who was going to replace him. If it had been a choice of continuing with Hughes or appointing Paul fucking Lambert I would definitely have stuck with Hughes. If we’d have gone down under Hughes it would have been on his CV which he would have deserved. BM True. In the short term, we did Hughes a favour, with him getting the Southampton job soon after leaving us, largely due to a relatively unblemished record. Not sure we did ourselves a favour, though. Yes, we’d have had a few spankings with a horror story in the Goals Against column, but he’d have squeezed enough three pointers out of us to get us over the line ready for a rebuild in the close season. The Lambert fiasco was the gateway to chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2023 9:22:51 GMT
Wilko almost scored a wonder goal against Man Utd IIRC. Mazy run and the shot at the end looked like it was heading top corner for a moment. Think it was Portsmouth. 1-0 (Fuller) on the tele. Ye actually I think you’re right. Not sure why I thought it was Man Utd.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 31, 2023 9:30:31 GMT
This more Cosh related than Pulis related, but do they only release certain episodes onto Spotify? I know there is a Patreon sign up, but they keep going on about a Phil Brown one and others they have done, which don't appear on Spotify. Are some of them exclusive for Patreon members?
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Post by themistocles on Aug 31, 2023 9:45:44 GMT
This more Cosh related than Pulis related, but do they only release certain episodes onto Spotify? I know there is a Patreon sign up, but they keep going on about a Phil Brown one and others they have done, which don't appear on Spotify. Are some of them exclusive for Patreon members? Yes most of the episodes are Patreon only ( including dickos ). It's well worth the £2.50 a month.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 24, 2024 17:10:46 GMT
TP on another pod with Big Sam this week. TP resolutely not up for coming out of retirement but Sam wants another go..... watch this space
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 24, 2024 20:26:57 GMT
TP on another pod with Big Sam this week. TP resolutely not up for coming out of retirement but Sam wants another go..... watch this space Enjoyable watch thank you .
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Post by st3mark on Mar 25, 2024 7:51:47 GMT
A lot of the same stories but still a great watch.
He's the only time we as a club are still relevant to the rest of the football world. Which is sad.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 25, 2024 8:19:27 GMT
His lack of basic knowledge of events that happened under his management is just mind blowingly embarrassing.
I wouldn't trust a single word that came out of his mouth.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 8:24:32 GMT
His lack of basic knowledge of events that happened under his management is just mind blowingly embarrassing. I wouldn't trust a single word that came out of his mouth. It’s not just him though, it’s most of them. They just make it up. It’s bizarre.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 25, 2024 19:12:58 GMT
Speaks so well, you can tell how he commanded respect as a manager.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 25, 2024 20:21:07 GMT
A lot of the same stories but still a great watch. He's the only time we as a club are still relevant to the rest of the football world. Which is sad. I think Hughes made us more relevant with Stokealona rolling over spurs Liverpool Chelsea , city and United the last three only found the 365 a place to lose under Hughes not TP .
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Post by theoptimist on Mar 25, 2024 20:28:59 GMT
A lot of the same stories but still a great watch. He's the only time we as a club are still relevant to the rest of the football world. Which is sad. I think Hughes made us more relevant with Stokealona rolling over spurs Liverpool Chelsea , city and United the last three only found the 365 a place to lose under Hughes not TP . Without TP, there was no Hughes. Impossible to deny the guy immense credit for what he achieved.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 25, 2024 21:43:32 GMT
I think Hughes made us more relevant with Stokealona rolling over spurs Liverpool Chelsea , city and United the last three only found the 365 a place to lose under Hughes not TP . Without TP, there was no Hughes. Impossible to deny the guy immense credit for what he achieved. I’m not denying it at all he did an unbelievable job , the real hard yards and Hughes built on it
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