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Post by wannabee on Nov 27, 2024 23:44:24 GMT
Are you stupid or something? She came to this country, studied, graduated, got a job and earned money. That is earning a right to be here. I really don’t know what’s so confusing about the difference between her and an Eastern European economic migrant (for example) intent on living off state handouts. I fear you are the one being stupid On her own acknowledged Biography After her Birth of convenience she returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria, which had affected her family. Sounds like a Asylum Seeker/Refugee by any other name to me. Again according to her own words at age 16 (when she exited Nigeria due to the Political and Economic situation) and got a job in McDonald's I contragulate her on her achievements but she now wishes to pull up the drawbridge on others emulating her achievements |
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2024 8:59:22 GMT
Are you stupid or something? She came to this country, studied, graduated, got a job and earned money. That is earning a right to be here. I really don’t know what’s so confusing about the difference between her and an Eastern European economic migrant (for example) intent on living off state handouts. I fear you are the one being stupid On her own acknowledged Biography After her Birth of convenience she returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria, which had affected her family. Sounds like a Asylum Seeker/Refugee by any other name to me. Again according to her own words at age 16 (when she exited Nigeria due to the Political and Economic situation) and got a job in McDonald's I contragulate her on her achievements but she now wishes to pull up the drawbridge on others emulating her achievements So she lived with a friend and didn't need a free hotel or free accommodation, and got a job to earn her keep, so not needing benefits ? |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 28, 2024 9:57:15 GMT
I fear you are the one being stupid On her own acknowledged Biography After her Birth of convenience she returned to the UK at the age of 16 to live with a friend of her mother's owing to the deteriorating political and economic situation in Nigeria, which had affected her family. Sounds like a Asylum Seeker/Refugee by any other name to me. Again according to her own words at age 16 (when she exited Nigeria due to the Political and Economic situation) and got a job in McDonald's I congratulate her on her achievements but she now wishes to pull up the drawbridge on others emulating her achievements So she lived with a friend and didn't need a free hotel or free accommodation, and got a job to earn her keep, so not needing benefits ? Asylum Seekers are not allowed to get a job and support themselves that was my point The reason many Asylum Seekers undertake a dangerous boat crossing to come to UK is because they have family ties to UK and may not need accommodation In her maiden speech to Parliament Badenock referred to herself as an immigrant. The only difference between an Asylum Seeker ~ Refugee ~ Immigrant is the stage of the journey they are at. If Badenock had come to UK in a small boat for the reasons she stated, she would have been granted Refugee Status - eventually. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 28, 2024 10:46:58 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. Count me in as one of those disbelievers. Imigration is very high. www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjdlmprepl5tImmigration puts a huge strain on public services. But, Haven't you noticed how many people today who you depend upon for a service have a different accent? Without immigration the health service would collapse*, welfare services would collapse, crops would not be harvested, animals would not be treated, farm animals would not get slaughtered at abertoirs and chicken farms, the hospitality industry would shut down, and thousands of other jobs** would not get done that long term UK residents don't want to do. Many industries like construction are crying out for workers as we have full employment and economic growth demands more workers. * - before someone says the NHS is collapsing, waiting lists are coming down, and NHS employment is at an all time high and rising. A&E departments get overloaded because many immigrants don't register with a local GP so go to A&E when they have a need. ** - there are c. 800,000 vacancies, so immigration to fill jobs will continue to be high unless the government are successful in returning people to work The solution is investment in automation and robotics at which the UK is one one the lowest in the OECD because historically employers have chosen to employ low paid immigrants and pay out profits in dividends, rather than invest capital on modern machinery. balloonone.com/blog/2022/05/04/robot-density-in-the-uk-in-2022/ |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 28, 2024 11:05:15 GMT
Dan is a Tory and writes for the Daily Fail
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2024 11:48:16 GMT
So she lived with a friend and didn't need a free hotel or free accommodation, and got a job to earn her keep, so not needing benefits ? Asylum Seekers are not allowed to get a job and support themselves that was my point The reason many Asylum Seekers undertake a dangerous boat crossing to come to UK is because they have family ties to UK and may not need accommodation In her maiden speech to Parliament Badenock referred to herself as an immigrant. The only difference between an Asylum Seeker ~ Refugee ~ Immigrant is the stage of the journey they are at. If Badenock had come to UK in a small boat for the reasons she stated, she would have been granted Refugee Status - eventually. So we really shouldn't be paying £7m a day, yep, £7m a day, in hotel bills then? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 28, 2024 12:43:43 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 28, 2024 12:54:55 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Nov 28, 2024 14:31:35 GMT
Asylum Seekers are not allowed to get a job and support themselves that was my point The reason many Asylum Seekers undertake a dangerous boat crossing to come to UK is because they have family ties to UK and may not need accommodation In her maiden speech to Parliament Badenock referred to herself as an immigrant. The only difference between an Asylum Seeker ~ Refugee ~ Immigrant is the stage of the journey they are at. If Badenock had come to UK in a small boat for the reasons she stated, she would have been granted Refugee Status - eventually. So we really shouldn't be paying £7m a day, yep, £7m a day, in hotel bills then? Under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 Asylum Seekers who have alternative, private accommodation available to them, for example with family or friends, they are able to move into private accommodation and apply for subsistence-only support. The Home Office do not publish details of how many like Kemi availed of this option. In the period July 2023 to June 2024 31,493 people arrived in UK in small boats seeking asylum. Today ONS have published revised net migration figures for the year ending June 2023 upwards from 740,000 to 906,000 because they found an extra 166,000 mostly Ukrainian Refugees The strain on Housing and Public Services placed upon it by Asylum Seekers is minute compared to that of invited migrants of which more than 50% are Dependants of "Skilled Workers" or Students and of the total net Migrants 86% are from outside EU. Since Brexit a huge swathe of Europeans have returned home, as most had intended to in any case at least by retirement age and replaced with an avalanche of people from outside EU who have no intention of ever leaving. The major cohort of people arriving as migrants are to fill positions in Social Care because UK has a long history of importing cheap labour to fill jobs Brits won't do for the money on offer. If Social Care was given the respect it deserves and paid commensurate to that respect then more Brits would fill those positions even some from the 2.8 Million who have become "Economically Inactive" since Covid. On every level the Tory Government for the last 14 years have been a f'kin disaster and very few were prepared to defend them. The current lot are trying to undo 14 years of mismanagement and will make mistakes but suddenly lots of people are emerging from the woodwork to criticise after 5 months. Rant over. Asylum Seekers/Refugees is not a uniquely UK problem and there are many reasons and causes. As such it is not a problem that can be resolved by UK on its own. Put in a European context from Governments own figures In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 25 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 17th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/ |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 28, 2024 14:57:59 GMT
This is poppycock all migrants initially gravitate towards people of a similar culture to build up a network of contacts and invariably because accommodation is cheaper When Jews initially began arriving in UK (as Refugees due to Pogroms) they gravitated towards the East End of London and integrated there with the local community who were of similar Socio Economic background. That's why they banded together to fight the British Fascist's As the Socio Economic circumstances changed many Jews moved towards North London to be near Synagogue and many Brits to Essex. The same with the Irish with conclaves in Kilburn and Cricklewood which no longer exist to the same degree. Brits when they migrate do exactly the same thing and are equally criticised for it as this article from a few years ago will attest to. Karen Maling Crowles, dubbed the “voice of the British in Benidorm” by the Spanish press called out the British for failing to integrate in Spain. “In the 27 years that I’ve lived in Spain I’ve seen how the English live in closed communities, and the great lack of integration,” she said.
“Brits should contribute to, and assimilate into their new country, rather than scrounging off the Spanish healthcare system”
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2024 16:52:14 GMT
This is poppycock all migrants initially gravitate towards people of a similar culture to build up a network of contacts and invariably because accommodation is cheaper When Jews initially began arriving in UK (as Refugees due to Pogroms) they gravitated towards the East End of London and integrated there with the local community who were of similar Socio Economic background. That's why they banded together to fight the British Fascist's As the Socio Economic circumstances changed many Jews moved towards North London to be near Synagogue and many Brits to Essex. The same with the Irish with conclaves in Kilburn and Cricklewood which no longer exist to the same degree. Brits when they migrate do exactly the same thing and are equally criticised for it as this article from a few years ago will attest to. Karen Maling Crowles, dubbed the “voice of the British in Benidorm” by the Spanish press called out the British for failing to integrate in Spain. “In the 27 years that I’ve lived in Spain I’ve seen how the English live in closed communities, and the great lack of integration,” she said.
“Brits should contribute to, and assimilate into their new country, rather than scrounging off the Spanish healthcare system”
medium.com/thenewarab/the-british-are-failing-to-integrate-in-spain-ebf7122be3e3You missed out the bit were they should accept our values and culture. I wouldn't dare go to Saudi, drink openly, kiss an unmarried woman in the street or marry a man etc. I'd accept there values or leave. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 28, 2024 17:00:15 GMT
So we really shouldn't be paying £7m a day, yep, £7m a day, in hotel bills then? Under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 Asylum Seekers who have alternative, private accommodation available to them, for example with family or friends, they are able to move into private accommodation and apply for subsistence-only support. The Home Office do not publish details of how many like Kemi availed of this option. In the period July 2023 to June 2024 31,493 people arrived in UK in small boats seeking asylum. Today ONS have published revised net migration figures for the year ending June 2023 upwards from 740,000 to 906,000 because they found an extra 166,000 mostly Ukrainian Refugees The strain on Housing and Public Services placed upon it by Asylum Seekers is minute compared to that of invited migrants of which more than 50% are Dependants of "Skilled Workers" or Students and of the total net Migrants 86% are from outside EU. Since Brexit a huge swathe of Europeans have returned home, as most had intended to in any case at least by retirement age and replaced with an avalanche of people from outside EU who have no intention of ever leaving. The major cohort of people arriving as migrants are to fill positions in Social Care because UK has a long history of importing cheap labour to fill jobs Brits won't do for the money on offer. If Social Care was given the respect it deserves and paid commensurate to that respect then more Brits would fill those positions even some from the 2.8 Million who have become "Economically Inactive" since Covid. On every level the Tory Government for the last 14 years have been a f'kin disaster and very few were prepared to defend them. The current lot are trying to undo 14 years of mismanagement and will make mistakes but suddenly lots of people are emerging from the woodwork to criticise after 5 months. Rant over. Asylum Seekers/Refugees is not a uniquely UK problem and there are many reasons and causes. As such it is not a problem that can be resolved by UK on its own. Put in a European context from Governments own figures In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 25 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 17th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/James Cleverley put a stop to dependents for care workers coming into the country didn't he, and raised the required income for sponsorship of certain roles for migrants? I agree with care workers, they need to get far better money, I see what they do with my mum atm. My sister has taken in a Ukranian, they all came and required sponsors with homes. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 28, 2024 17:42:45 GMT
This is poppycock all migrants initially gravitate towards people of a similar culture to build up a network of contacts and invariably because accommodation is cheaper When Jews initially began arriving in UK (as Refugees due to Pogroms) they gravitated towards the East End of London and integrated there with the local community who were of similar Socio Economic background. That's why they banded together to fight the British Fascist's As the Socio Economic circumstances changed many Jews moved towards North London to be near Synagogue and many Brits to Essex. The same with the Irish with conclaves in Kilburn and Cricklewood which no longer exist to the same degree. Brits when they migrate do exactly the same thing and are equally criticised for it as this article from a few years ago will attest to. Karen Maling Crowles, dubbed the “voice of the British in Benidorm” by the Spanish press called out the British for failing to integrate in Spain. “In the 27 years that I’ve lived in Spain I’ve seen how the English live in closed communities, and the great lack of integration,” she said.
“Brits should contribute to, and assimilate into their new country, rather than scrounging off the Spanish healthcare system”
medium.com/thenewarab/the-british-are-failing-to-integrate-in-spain-ebf7122be3e3You missed out the bit were they should accept our values and culture. I wouldn't dare go to Saudi, drink openly, kiss an unmarried woman in the street or marry a man etc. I'd accept there values or leave. I missed nothing, I made the point that Brits do the same culturally when they emigrate to other Countries What your talking about is breaking the Law in other Countries which only an idiot would do, that has nothing to do with culture. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 28, 2024 17:46:27 GMT
This is poppycock all migrants initially gravitate towards people of a similar culture to build up a network of contacts and invariably because accommodation is cheaper When Jews initially began arriving in UK (as Refugees due to Pogroms) they gravitated towards the East End of London and integrated there with the local community who were of similar Socio Economic background. That's why they banded together to fight the British Fascist's As the Socio Economic circumstances changed many Jews moved towards North London to be near Synagogue and many Brits to Essex. The same with the Irish with conclaves in Kilburn and Cricklewood which no longer exist to the same degree. Brits when they migrate do exactly the same thing and are equally criticised for it as this article from a few years ago will attest to. Karen Maling Crowles, dubbed the “voice of the British in Benidorm” by the Spanish press called out the British for failing to integrate in Spain. “In the 27 years that I’ve lived in Spain I’ve seen how the English live in closed communities, and the great lack of integration,” she said.
“Brits should contribute to, and assimilate into their new country, rather than scrounging off the Spanish healthcare system”
medium.com/thenewarab/the-british-are-failing-to-integrate-in-spain-ebf7122be3e3You missed out the bit were they should accept our values and culture. I wouldn't dare go to Saudi, drink openly, kiss an unmarried woman in the street or marry a man etc. I'd accept there values or leave. Spot on. Whichever countries I have visited I've always shown respect for the difference of culture understanding that each country is different to our own and they have their own way of doing things. You are a guest at the end of the day. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 28, 2024 18:32:32 GMT
You missed out the bit were they should accept our values and culture. I wouldn't dare go to Saudi, drink openly, kiss an unmarried woman in the street or marry a man etc. I'd accept there values or leave. Spot on. Whichever countries I have visited I've always shown respect for the difference of culture understanding that each country is different to our own and they have their own way of doing things. You are a guest at the end of the day. I don't understand this argument. I'm 'British' and by that I mean I was born on this piece of rock that we've named 'Britain'. The fact that I share this rock with other humans also born here doesn't mean that I'm culturally the same as them. As an example, many men in this country abuse and beat their partners. We have a serious problem here with domestic abuse. Many men here resolve their differences with their fists rather than their brains. Even just using the two examples above, are you saying that because these things happen on a daily basis up and down the country that means they are part of our culture? They certainly aren't part of mine. There is no such thing as a shared British 'culture'. My neighbours are both British families but we are not the same culturally. As such, I wouldn't expect a Spanish family that moved in next door to behave and think in the same way that I do either. I mean, why should they and who the fuck would I think I was to suggest that they should? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 28, 2024 18:46:13 GMT
What the hell were the Tories doing? I thought Brexit was all about controlling and reducing immigration?
To year end June 2021 - 254,000 net migration
To year end June 2022 - 634,000
To year end June 2023 - 906,000
To year end June 2024 - 728,000
And why do people get so vexed about 40,000 people arriving in boats annually, of whom last year 8,000 were deported, in comparison to the huge numbers that were happily waved in, apparently taking all the jobs, houses and GP appointments?
It's almost like the Tories wanted to make people hate migrants for cynical political gain. Surely not?
I see the new government is also working through the backlog of cases the Tories were happily allowing to pile up, a drop of about 30%.
I do hope people will see through Tory lies about immigration in future.
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Post by wannabee on Nov 28, 2024 19:27:23 GMT
Under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 Asylum Seekers who have alternative, private accommodation available to them, for example with family or friends, they are able to move into private accommodation and apply for subsistence-only support. The Home Office do not publish details of how many like Kemi availed of this option. In the period July 2023 to June 2024 31,493 people arrived in UK in small boats seeking asylum. Today ONS have published revised net migration figures for the year ending June 2023 upwards from 740,000 to 906,000 because they found an extra 166,000 mostly Ukrainian Refugees The strain on Housing and Public Services placed upon it by Asylum Seekers is minute compared to that of invited migrants of which more than 50% are Dependants of "Skilled Workers" or Students and of the total net Migrants 86% are from outside EU. Since Brexit a huge swathe of Europeans have returned home, as most had intended to in any case at least by retirement age and replaced with an avalanche of people from outside EU who have no intention of ever leaving. The major cohort of people arriving as migrants are to fill positions in Social Care because UK has a long history of importing cheap labour to fill jobs Brits won't do for the money on offer. If Social Care was given the respect it deserves and paid commensurate to that respect then more Brits would fill those positions even some from the 2.8 Million who have become "Economically Inactive" since Covid. On every level the Tory Government for the last 14 years have been a f'kin disaster and very few were prepared to defend them. The current lot are trying to undo 14 years of mismanagement and will make mistakes but suddenly lots of people are emerging from the woodwork to criticise after 5 months. Rant over. Asylum Seekers/Refugees is not a uniquely UK problem and there are many reasons and causes. As such it is not a problem that can be resolved by UK on its own. Put in a European context from Governments own figures In 2022, there were around 13 asylum applications for every 10,000 people living in the UK. Across the EU27 there were 25 asylum applications for every 10,000 people. The UK was therefore below the average among EU countries for asylum applications per head of population, ranking 17th among EU27 countries plus the UK on this measure.commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/James Cleverley put a stop to dependents for care workers coming into the country didn't he, and raised the required income for sponsorship of certain roles for migrants? I agree with care workers, they need to get far better money, I see what they do with my mum atm. My sister has taken in a Ukranian, they all came and required sponsors with homes. Cleverley's (sic) changes don't seem to have made much difference. The net migration to June 2024 was 728K was practically the same as the to June 2024 740K before they were increased to 906K today when an additional 166K mostly Ukrainians were "found". I'm not betting against another increase to the 2024 figure next year as it did in 2023 and also in 2022 In total about 220K Ukrainians came to UK on either a Family Member or a Sponsor Visa. The commitment was for a period of 6 months for which the sponsor was paid a modest £350/500 per month. We know from reports that many thousands became homeless after the 6 month period because some people were unable to extend, Home Office don't publish those figures but they would have been eligible for Housing Benefits from Council. In addition Ukrainian Refugees were immediately entitled to Jobseekers, Universal Credit, Child, Pension and Pension Credit. Of course they were also immediately allowed to work.If you add all the benefits I doubt there is much difference between paying for Hotel accommodation and £8 a week subsistence I hope your mum is receiving all the care she deserves and fair play to your sister. |
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