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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 21, 2024 18:40:23 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 21, 2024 18:49:19 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 18:52:12 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Have a pet? I'll go live under a bridge for a year because I have a budgie... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 21, 2024 18:53:49 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Of course they’d rather sleep outside this weather over hostels 🤔🤷♂️ |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 21, 2024 18:55:54 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Have a pet? I'll go live under a bridge for a year because I have a budgie... I think what he meant is alot of hostels won't allow people in with a dog and alot of homeless people will choose their dog before a warm place to stay because alot of the time that's all they have. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 19:02:42 GMT
Have a pet? I'll go live under a bridge for a year because I have a budgie... I think what he meant is alot of hostels won't allow people in with a dog and alot of homeless people will choose their dog before a warm place to stay because alot of the time that's all they have. I knew what he meant. I'd say most people from Britain are on the streets because they are neglected by people who should care for them. Not because they have a dog. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 21, 2024 19:05:09 GMT
I think what he meant is alot of hostels won't allow people in with a dog and alot of homeless people will choose their dog before a warm place to stay because alot of the time that's all they have. I knew what he meant. I'd say most people from Britain are on the streets because they are neglected by people who should care for them. Not because they have a dog. Absolutely agree mate. I was just saying that they will often choose the dog over somewhere to stay which is an absolutely shit decision that noone should have to make. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 21, 2024 19:41:12 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Of course they’d rather sleep outside this weather over hostels 🤔🤷♂️ You wouldn’t believe how many do it. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 21, 2024 19:43:10 GMT
I think what he meant is alot of hostels won't allow people in with a dog and alot of homeless people will choose their dog before a warm place to stay because alot of the time that's all they have. I knew what he meant. I'd say most people from Britain are on the streets because they are neglected by people who should care for them. Not because they have a dog. I gave you the reasons why the most vulnerable are on the streets, those with dogs are a big chunk of them. They’d do anything to not be separated including staying out in sub zero temperatures. It’s a real problem…… |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 21, 2024 20:20:29 GMT
Of course they’d rather sleep outside this weather over hostels 🤔🤷♂️ You wouldn’t believe how many do it. Less than 10% of Hosels cater to homeless person with a dog Apparently only 7% of homeless people would accept a Hostel without their dog. Of course like most people will believe what they want to believe www.waggel.co.uk/blog/post/dog-ownership-and-homelessness |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 21, 2024 20:49:38 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 21, 2024 20:52:14 GMT
FFS is Corden back yet? I’d rather have a boat load of free loading Albanian men walking in and opening a car wash within 24 hours |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 21, 2024 21:01:23 GMT
FFS is Corden back yet? I’d rather have a boat load of free loading Albanian men walking in and opening a car wash within 24 hours Wokest country in town currently mate. The circus has well and truly rocked up. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 21, 2024 23:02:21 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Not Manchester but Devon. If you watch from 13:00 you’ll see that there’s a hell of a lot of decent hardworking people that don’t want to be on the streets. It’s bloody tragic. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 21, 2024 23:29:00 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Not Manchester but Devon. If you watch from 13:00 you’ll see that there’s a hell of a lot of decent hardworking people that don’t want to be on the streets. It’s bloody tragic. Of course there is, and I certainly wasn't suggesting otherwise. But my point about Manchester was referring to the fact there's a "guaranteed bed for the night scheme" for those on the streets, this of course doesn't tell the whole story and is bit of a red herring for a number of reasons some of which I mentioned. I'd say for every 10 homeless people I've dealt with 7/8 have some form of addiction and/or mental health issues........ |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 6:10:32 GMT
Not Manchester but Devon. If you watch from 13:00 you’ll see that there’s a hell of a lot of decent hardworking people that don’t want to be on the streets. It’s bloody tragic. Of course there is, and I certainly wasn't suggesting otherwise. But my point about Manchester was referring to the fact there's a "guaranteed bed for the night scheme" for those on the streets, this of doesn't tell the whole story and is bit of a red herring for a number of reasons some of which I mentioned. I'd say for every 10 homeless people I've dealt with 7/8 have some form of addiction and/or mental health issues........ Fair point and in some cases they’ve lost properties because they’ve been evicted due to their Behaviour. From my experience though and I think it’s backed up with the 2 gentlemen in the video if you’re a decent person with integrity (and paid into the system) who doesn’t commit crime, is vocal or a nuisance you’re often at the bottom of the pile and left to rot the streets. Whilst others less deserving are prioritised. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 22, 2024 6:44:42 GMT
The majority of the homeless in Manchester are on the streets because they refuse hostels (even if it's just for a couple of nights), it could be because they have a pet, find them dangerous (they might be trying to stay away from drugs/alcohol) or have complexed mental health needs. The previous tweeter wasn't technically correct either, not all of the tents have immigrants/asylum seekers in them, I was there at the weekend we were giving out sleeping bags and winter socks/hats/gloves and there are people who I've seen for donkeys years in them as well....... Of course they’d rather sleep outside this weather over hostels 🤔🤷♂️ It's the blaming of immigrants where you fall down mate...every single time. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 7:42:17 GMT
Of course they’d rather sleep outside this weather over hostels 🤔🤷♂️ It's the blaming of immigrants where you fall down mate...every single time. It’s not the immigrants faults and you can’t blame them for turning down free lodging if it’s available. It’s the fault of consecutive governments but particularly the Tories for enabling it to happen through weak border forces and lack of resources to process claims. Of course there will be some that choose to live on the streets but there are way to many that dont. Of course there’ll always be your right wing posters who use the “fought for their country” videos where they try to push the issues and to stoke up anger but it’s a very real problem for which every homeless person has a different story. I’m sure the dog excuse is legitimate re hostels not being able to accomodate but what’s wrong with the hostels building kennels for them to enable the homeless person to stay or finding accommodation better than a hostel. In relation to the hotels it’s ridiculous that it’s more profitable for them to put up immigrants than to be used for their real reasons namely holidaymakers or for hosting business people. Only recently a friend of my wives had her break cancelled by a hotel she’d booked due to it being used to home immigrants. It’s a ridiculous situation that needs managing properly because it’s sure as hell not at the moment. It really does feel like we’ve passed the tipping point now re homelessness. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 22, 2024 7:49:12 GMT
If they processed all the claims during the first week of arrival where would they all live if they were successful? I've no idea of the percentage that are or aren't but I do wonder if the delays in processing are deliberate to prevent them accessing the rest of the social housing system, that is inadequate to cope with this influx.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 22, 2024 8:51:19 GMT
Of course there is, and I certainly wasn't suggesting otherwise. But my point about Manchester was referring to the fact there's a "guaranteed bed for the night scheme" for those on the streets, this of doesn't tell the whole story and is bit of a red herring for a number of reasons some of which I mentioned. I'd say for every 10 homeless people I've dealt with 7/8 have some form of addiction and/or mental health issues........ Fair point and in some cases they’ve lost properties because they’ve been evicted due to their Behaviour. From my experience though and I think it’s backed up with the 2 gentlemen in the video if you’re a decent person with integrity (and paid into the system) who doesn’t commit crime, is vocal or a nuisance you’re often at the bottom of the pile and left to rot the streets. Whilst others less deserving are prioritised. It's single men that are at the bottom of the pile in general, mainly because families/women/women with kids are prioritised for housing, hostels or whatever it may be. My experience is that most people on the streets in general are decent, you can chat to someone when they're sober and hear their story and the penny generally drops about why they are where they are, you can see that person a week later when they've been drinking/taking drugs and their demons have take over and it's like looking at a different person. Those that stay on the streets and do it completely sober and without resorting to crime I have nothing but admiration for, not sure I could do it in their situation. The really sad thing is there are a few dozen "lost causes" that will die on the streets, it's just a matter of when and how. That's the brutal reality of the situation..... |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 22, 2024 9:28:19 GMT
Fair point and in some cases they’ve lost properties because they’ve been evicted due to their Behaviour. From my experience though and I think it’s backed up with the 2 gentlemen in the video if you’re a decent person with integrity (and paid into the system) who doesn’t commit crime, is vocal or a nuisance you’re often at the bottom of the pile and left to rot the streets. Whilst others less deserving are prioritised. It's single men that are at the bottom of the pile in general, mainly because families/women/women with kids are prioritised for housing, hostels or whatever it may be. My experience is that most people on the streets in general are decent, you can chat to someone when they're sober and hear their story and the penny generally drops about why they are where they are, you can see that person a week later when they've been drinking/taking drugs and their demons have take over and it's like looking at a different person. Those that stay on the streets and do it completely sober and without resorting to crime I have nothing but admiration for, not sure I could do it in their situation. The really sad thing is there are a few dozen "lost causes" that will die on the streets, it's just a matter of when and how. That's the brutal reality of the situation..... I’ve met a fair few over the years and you’re quite right the majority are decent. It’s very sad but we’re all one bad decision away from being on the streets. |
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Post by frasier37 on Nov 22, 2024 21:08:05 GMT
Don't let money override morality people
Stop the polarisation and be nicer people
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 25, 2024 22:36:40 GMT
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Post by musik on Nov 25, 2024 23:10:47 GMT
I would say every children's book or school book in Sweden for the last 25 years looks like that. I'm not a bit surprised. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 26, 2024 9:31:01 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 26, 2024 23:01:26 GMT
If they processed all the claims during the first week of arrival where would they all live if they were successful? I've no idea of the percentage that are or aren't but I do wonder if the delays in processing are deliberate to prevent them accessing the rest of the social housing system, that is inadequate to cope with this influx. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 26, 2024 23:04:42 GMT
No wonder the NHS is near collapse 🙄
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2024 23:20:57 GMT
No wonder the NHS is near collapse 🙄 These people can’t even get a pina colada at 10am, leave em alone ya racist bully |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 27, 2024 0:25:46 GMT
If they processed all the claims during the first week of arrival where would they all live if they were successful? I've no idea of the percentage that are or aren't but I do wonder if the delays in processing are deliberate to prevent them accessing the rest of the social housing system, that is inadequate to cope with this influx. I'm answering your original post more than the Tweet I think it's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. If your Asylum Application has been approved and you become a Refugee you are no longer entitled to accommodation after 30 days of granting but you can apply to the Council if you're homeless which probably amounts to the same thing As an Asylum Seeker as well as accommodation you get £49.18 a week to pay for your food, clothes etc. This reduces to £8.86 a week if you're on "Full Board". As a Refugee without means you can apply for Job Seekers Benefit, UC etc so it's probably more expensive to the State and i can only imagine a Refugee trying to navigate their way around the system The biggie is that as a Refugee you can legally work. So financially it probably comes down to the equation is it more economical to extend the Asylum application process or expedite and allow people to work. Depending on which side of the coin you are looking that may come down to whether you think Asylum Seekers are lazy Bastards and want to live in Hotels and get £9 quid a week and then get on the Benefits treadmill or if you think Asylum Seekers want to work. I think someone mentioned pot holes and refuse collection earlier which might be an intermediary step into the workforce or permanent if the motivation is to claim benefits I suspect your original suspicions are pretty accurate as a means to "manage" the problem |
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Post by sticky on Nov 27, 2024 7:51:39 GMT
No wonder the NHS is near collapse 🙄 These hotel owners must be getting some serious back handers to house all these migrants, they’re certainly not going to make any money off the paying public. Quite worrying that they don’t seem to care about that either They must have been promised an endless stream of work coming there way |
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