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Post by emretezzy on Nov 27, 2024 7:58:27 GMT
I'm answering your original post more than the Tweet I think it's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. If your Asylum Application has been approved and you become a Refugee you are no longer entitled to accommodation after 30 days of granting but you can apply to the Council if you're homeless which probably amounts to the same thing As an Asylum Seeker as well as accommodation you get £49.18 a week to pay for your food, clothes etc. This reduces to £8.86 a week if you're on "Full Board". As a Refugee without means you can apply for Job Seekers Benefit, UC etc so it's probably more expensive to the State and i can only imagine a Refugee trying to navigate their way around the system The biggie is that as a Refugee you can legally work. So financially it probably comes down to the equation is it more economical to extend the Asylum application process or expedite and allow people to work. Depending on which side of the coin you are looking that may come down to whether you think Asylum Seekers are lazy Bastards and want to live in Hotels and get £9 quid a week and then get on the Benefits treadmill or if you think Asylum Seekers want to work. I think someone mentioned pot holes and refuse collection earlier which might be an intermediary step into the workforce or permanent if the motivation is to claim benefits I suspect your original suspicions are pretty accurate as a means to "manage" the problem There's no Catch 22. Unless you have a valid work Visa you shouldn't be here. Shouldn't be having £48 a week. Shouldn't be living in a paid for hotel and so on... Countries a laughing stock |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2024 8:42:30 GMT
I'm answering your original post more than the Tweet I think it's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. If your Asylum Application has been approved and you become a Refugee you are no longer entitled to accommodation after 30 days of granting but you can apply to the Council if you're homeless which probably amounts to the same thing As an Asylum Seeker as well as accommodation you get £49.18 a week to pay for your food, clothes etc. This reduces to £8.86 a week if you're on "Full Board". As a Refugee without means you can apply for Job Seekers Benefit, UC etc so it's probably more expensive to the State and i can only imagine a Refugee trying to navigate their way around the system The biggie is that as a Refugee you can legally work. So financially it probably comes down to the equation is it more economical to extend the Asylum application process or expedite and allow people to work. Depending on which side of the coin you are looking that may come down to whether you think Asylum Seekers are lazy Bastards and want to live in Hotels and get £9 quid a week and then get on the Benefits treadmill or if you think Asylum Seekers want to work. I think someone mentioned pot holes and refuse collection earlier which might be an intermediary step into the workforce or permanent if the motivation is to claim benefits I suspect your original suspicions are pretty accurate as a means to "manage" the problem There's no Catch 22. Unless you have a valid work Visa you shouldn't be here. Shouldn't be having £48 a week. Shouldn't be living in a paid for hotel and so on... Countries a laughing stock It is. We’re certainly making ourselves a very attractive proposition for those wanting to come over here on the small boats. I don’t blame the asylum seekers as this is a problem of our own making do to bad governing over a number of years. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 27, 2024 9:38:37 GMT
I'm answering your original post more than the Tweet I think it's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. If your Asylum Application has been approved and you become a Refugee you are no longer entitled to accommodation after 30 days of granting but you can apply to the Council if you're homeless which probably amounts to the same thing As an Asylum Seeker as well as accommodation you get £49.18 a week to pay for your food, clothes etc. This reduces to £8.86 a week if you're on "Full Board". As a Refugee without means you can apply for Job Seekers Benefit, UC etc so it's probably more expensive to the State and i can only imagine a Refugee trying to navigate their way around the system The biggie is that as a Refugee you can legally work. So financially it probably comes down to the equation is it more economical to extend the Asylum application process or expedite and allow people to work. Depending on which side of the coin you are looking that may come down to whether you think Asylum Seekers are lazy Bastards and want to live in Hotels and get £9 quid a week and then get on the Benefits treadmill or if you think Asylum Seekers want to work. I think someone mentioned pot holes and refuse collection earlier which might be an intermediary step into the workforce or permanent if the motivation is to claim benefits I suspect your original suspicions are pretty accurate as a means to "manage" the problem There's no Catch 22. Unless you have a valid work Visa you shouldn't be here. Shouldn't be having £48 a week. Shouldn't be living in a paid for hotel and so on... Countries a laughing stock I can think of quite a few things that shouldn't happen but do. Yo have a viewpoint and if enough people support it then the solution is to revoke the International Commitments UK has signed up to and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights ECHR it would also mean changing UK Law and repealing the Human Rights Act 1998 HRA which is a duplication of ECHR. That would cause difficulties with the Good Friday Agreement GFA as HRA is an integral part of GFA. The co- guarantors of GFA US and EU wouldn't be happy if we messed with the GFA, we saw that during Brexit, never mind the unrest it would cause Nationalists in NI. Everything is possible if enough people wish it to be so, but there are consequences of actions. The Moral of the story is don't sign up to agreements you don't intend to keep or "Lefty Lawyer's" will remind you of your obligations |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 27, 2024 9:40:09 GMT
There's no Catch 22. Unless you have a valid work Visa you shouldn't be here. Shouldn't be having £48 a week. Shouldn't be living in a paid for hotel and so on... Countries a laughing stock I can think of quite a few things that shouldn't happen but do. Yo have a viewpoint and if enough people support it then the solution is to revoke the International Commitments UK has signed up to and withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights ECHR it would also mean changing UK Law and repealing the Human Rights Act 1998 HRA which is a duplication of ECHR. That would cause difficulties with the Good Friday Agreement GFA as HRA is an integral part of GFA. The co- guarantors of GFA US and EU wouldn't be happy if we messed with the GFA, we saw that during Brexit, never mind the unrest it would cause Nationalists in NI. Everything is possible if enough people wish it to be so, but there are consequences of actions. The Moral of the story is don't sign up to agreements you don't intend to keep or "Lefty Lawyer's" will remind you of your obligations Can't argue with any of that. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 27, 2024 16:40:03 GMT
If they processed all the claims during the first week of arrival where would they all live if they were successful? I've no idea of the percentage that are or aren't but I do wonder if the delays in processing are deliberate to prevent them accessing the rest of the social housing system, that is inadequate to cope with this influx. That's why a a room in a hotel down that way is near on £200 a night and my daughters rent for a 2 bed flat is £2k a month, moved in in September and she got notice of redundancy last week, doubt she'll get the help what others get. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 27, 2024 19:09:39 GMT
 Just about sums it up at the moment. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2024 21:05:34 GMT
Successive governments have done absolutely nothing to help the homeless, you could have removed every single refugee/asylum seeker from the county and there would still have been homeless veterans sleeping in doorways…… |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 21:20:31 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering.
Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries.
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Post by 4372 on Nov 27, 2024 21:25:39 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. I think you should tell us what you really think about this, and not sit on the fence. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2024 21:30:18 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. I think you should tell us what you really think about this, and not sit on the fence. He just likes to rant about the “woke brigade.” He’ll go to bed soon hopefully….. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 21:30:21 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. I think you should tell us what you really think about this, and not sit on the fence. I don’t think I did too bad a job to be fair😉 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 21:38:05 GMT
I think you should tell us what you really think about this, and not sit on the fence. He just likes to rant about the “woke brigade.” He’ll go to bed soon hopefully….. Your obsession with me is cute but a little creepy if I’m honest. I suggest you unblock me if you want to continue to talk about me otherwise it makes you look a bit sad |
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Post by sticky on Nov 27, 2024 21:47:56 GMT
Doesn’t feel like we’re being told the truth about what’s going on with all this immigration. Unless all these tweets are complete bollocks, then it just doesn’t add up at all
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2024 21:50:15 GMT
He just likes to rant about the “woke brigade.” He’ll go to bed soon hopefully….. Your obsession with me is cute but a little creepy if I’m honest. I suggest you unblock me if you want to continue to talk about me otherwise it makes you look a bit sad . Please understand I have never blocked you, I simply skim over the bullshit you spout and move on without a seconds thought. You reply to my posts over and over and over, yet somehow you’ve come to the conclusion I’m obsessed with you? Bless. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 21:54:36 GMT
Your obsession with me is cute but a little creepy if I’m honest. I suggest you unblock me if you want to continue to talk about me otherwise it makes you look a bit sad . Please understand I have never blocked you, I simply skim over the bullshit you spout and move on without a seconds thought. You reply to my posts over and over and over, yet somehow you’ve come to the conclusion I’m obsessed with you? Bless. 😂😂😂 I rarely reply to your posts unless it’s about the common love of football or cricket. Since you thought it was a good idea to publicly and personally slag me off I’ve in the main given you a wide berth. Don’t speak about me if you can’t handle a ribbing or even seeing the word “woke”. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 27, 2024 21:59:14 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. Just wait until climate change triggers mass migration on a much bigger scale than now. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 27, 2024 21:59:35 GMT
Successive governments have done absolutely nothing to help the homeless, you could have removed every single refugee/asylum seeker from the county and there would still have been homeless veterans sleeping in doorways…… Why do you think they don't? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 22:00:57 GMT
The amount of people that refuse to believe that immigration is negatively affecting this country is absolutely staggering. Yes successive governments are to blame for the state of homelessness of British people and it’s certainly not the fault of the people that come to these shores. It’s the sheer ignorance and almost smugness of the woke brigade that I find repulsive. Shocking dismissal of indigenous peoples rights to be safe and warm in their own country at the expense of these leeches from shit hole countries. Just wait until climate change triggers mass migration on a much bigger scale than now. Don’t do drugs kids |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 27, 2024 22:03:54 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2024 22:05:07 GMT
Successive governments have done absolutely nothing to help the homeless, you could have removed every single refugee/asylum seeker from the county and there would still have been homeless veterans sleeping in doorways…… Why do you think they don't? It’s not particularly high on their list of priorities. They get no kick back from solving issues of mental health, substance/alcohol abuse, people in and out of the care system or whatever the individuals challenge may be….. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 27, 2024 22:07:53 GMT
Why do you think they don't? It’s not particularly high on their list of priorities. They get no kick back from solving issues of mental health, substance/alcohol abuse, people in and out of the care system or whatever the individuals challenge may be….. No money in it essentially. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2024 22:12:55 GMT
It’s not particularly high on their list of priorities. They get no kick back from solving issues of mental health, substance/alcohol abuse, people in and out of the care system or whatever the individuals challenge may be….. No money in it essentially. I’d say that’s a reasonable summary yeah. But like everything it’s a false economy, ending homelessness reduces the burden on the NHS, on local councils, the police, social services or whatever it may be. That all just takes a bit of radical thinking and a bit of graft though so easier to leave a few hundred thousand people to slip through the cracks…. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Nov 27, 2024 22:17:41 GMT
Successive governments have done absolutely nothing to help the homeless, you could have removed every single refugee/asylum seeker from the county and there would still have been homeless veterans sleeping in doorways…… That may well be the case however I’m sure that the money spent on hotel rooms for asylum seekers could be invested far better elsewhere. With all the cuts currently being made to key services we need to save money more than ever. I think it’s unfair to say it makes no difference when if invested right the money saved could make a huge difference. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 27, 2024 22:28:06 GMT
Just wait until climate change triggers mass migration on a much bigger scale than now. Don’t do drugs kids And you post about ignorance . Comical |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 27, 2024 22:29:49 GMT
No money in it essentially. I’d say that’s a reasonable summary yeah. But like everything it’s a false economy, ending homelessness reduces the burden on the NHS, on local councils, the police, social services or whatever it may be. That all just takes a bit of radical thinking and a bit of graft though so easier to leave a few hundred thousand people to slip through the cracks…. I agree entirely, the poor sods trying to make a difference against it are pissing in the wind. I expected that mentality to change after lockdown and the approach to tackling it then. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 22:31:52 GMT
And you post about ignorance . Comical I do my best to amuse 😉 |
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Post by Eggybread on Nov 27, 2024 22:34:10 GMT
Does anyone on here think that the homeless problem in our country is caused by immigrants?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 22:35:31 GMT
Does anyone on here think that the homeless problem in our country is caused by immigrants? I don’t, as stated above. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 27, 2024 22:37:20 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 27, 2024 22:46:25 GMT
Are you stupid or something? She came to this country, studied, graduated, got a job and earned money. That is earning a right to be here. I really don’t know what’s so confusing about the difference between her and an Eastern European economic migrant (for example) intent on living off state handouts. |
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