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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 16, 2024 20:45:34 GMT
Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage We've voted to strike this year. Our pay offer per hour is 50% less than the hourly increase in the NMW.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2024 20:56:27 GMT
I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage We've voted to strike this year. Our pay offer per hour is 50% less than the hourly increase in the NMW. Scandalous
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 16, 2024 21:16:34 GMT
Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage So you think if there are fewer immigrants who will work for nowt, then more Brits who currently don't want to do those jobs,will suddenly want to do those jobs when the job market is even more competitive? Hope is that supposed to work?
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 23:17:55 GMT
Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage How can immigrants work for less if there is a minimum wage? In most jobs that isn’t easy to undercut.
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Post by knype on Sept 17, 2024 3:40:43 GMT
It would appear the government is trying to use international cooperation as a means of addressing uncontrolled immigration BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgddpq44qjtKeir Starmer commends Italy's 'remarkable progress' on 'irregular migration' - BBC News. Haven't they realised the power of the emoji solution? 😲 You have to admire knype's economy of effort. It used to be a maximum of about eight words you'd get by way of 'reasoned' response. He's improved that to just an emoji. Come on, credit where it's due. The next step will be telepathic communication of attempted riposte without even logging on Thanks Bluey, much appreciated. Now be a good boy and bury your head back into the Guardian !
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Post by knype on Sept 17, 2024 5:08:32 GMT
You've done well, you have managed to get the approval of the Chief Leftwaffe and his minions. You'll soon progress through the ranks
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2024 6:14:37 GMT
You have to admire knype's economy of effort. It used to be a maximum of about eight words you'd get by way of 'reasoned' response. He's improved that to just an emoji. Come on, credit where it's due. The next step will be telepathic communication of attempted riposte without even logging on Thanks Bluey, much appreciated. Now be a good boy and bury your head back into the Guardian ! What’s your solution to stop the boats then?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2024 14:58:09 GMT
Thanks Bluey, much appreciated. Now be a good boy and bury your head back into the Guardian ! What’s your solution to stop the boats then? Strategically placed emojis on a football message board. Foolproof.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 17, 2024 15:02:27 GMT
Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage Well that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever: 1 Immigrants can't work for nowt because of the national living wage. 2 Increading the national living wage incentives work. There are companies that exploit immigrant workers and pay them less than the living wage. The problem isn't the immigrant workers or the living wage - it's exploitative company bosses.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 17, 2024 15:12:45 GMT
I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage Well that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever: 1 Immigrants can't work for nowt because of the national living wage. 2 Increading the national living wage incentives work. There are companies that exploit immigrant workers and pay them less than the living wage. The problem isn't the immigrant workers or the living wage - it's exploitative company bosses. And there are numerous examples, not least agricultural labourers, where employers specifically tried to recruit British people to the roles and were unable to do so. And not because immigrants were "working for nowt". It's very easy to blame immigrants for all the country's ills, but the root causes usually lie much deeper, and they're usually to be found in the de-regulated, free market economic model that encourages (requires, even) businesses and employers to drive down overheads at almost any cost so that consumers can have everything as cheaply as possible, without those consumers thinking too much about the consequences of how and why their products are produced so cheaply.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 17, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
Thanks Bluey, much appreciated. Now be a good boy and bury your head back into the Guardian ! What’s your solution to stop the boats then? Ask him a question. Always the most effective way to see him disappear sharpish
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 8:32:34 GMT
aren't there between 11000 - 16000 of the buggers clogging up prisons . do the illegals pay taxes on their dodgy deals while they clog up hotels for which we pay millions to donors of political parties ? yes , the economy needs them so that taxes can go up to pay for them , so that pensioners can suffer to pay for them , so that inflation goes up , so that the country can go to the imf . same old liebour 1. There are not between 11000 - 16000 of illegal immigrants clogging up prisons. The reason prisons are clogged up as you so eloquently put it is because of a lack of funding in the Justice system impacting on a huge backlog of individuals being held in custody on remand awaiting sentencing in court. Before Covid-19 restrictions were introduced there was a backlog of around 40,000 cases in the Crown Court and nearly 328,000 cases in the magistrates’ courts. By 31 December 2021 these backlogs had increased by 43% and 10%, respectively. In the Crown Courts, where the most serious cases are held, waiting times have continued to rise almost uninterrupted since March 2020. Defendants in the Crown Court are waiting 20 months on average for their trial to begin than they were before the pandemic, a rise of 79%. Magistrates’ powers of sentencing has been increased in order to try and reduce the backlog in the Crown Court. Magistrates may now hand out sentences of up to 12 months in custody to people coming before the court, up from a maximum of six months before the pandemic. On 30 June 2021 there were 12,727 people in prison on remand, an increase of more than a third (39%) in two years. This is the highest number of people since 2010, in part due to the impact of the pandemic on the courts. Before 2020 the number had been largely decreasing over the previous decade. (https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Prison-the-facts-2022.pdf) 2. "The economy needs (migrants) so that taxes can go up to pay for them, so that pensioners can suffer to pay for them, so that inflation goes up, so that the country can go to the imf."If taxes go up, migrants who are working pay them. As things stand, those who claim asylum in the UK are not normally allowed to work whilst their claim is being considered - that's not their fault. They are instead provided with accommodation and support to meet their essential living needs only if they would otherwise be destitute. It's a myth that all asylum seekers get hand outs. You need to explain why only pensioners suffer, why inflation will go up, and quite why we've got to go to the IMF.
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Post by phileetin on Sept 19, 2024 10:52:11 GMT
"Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”?" Stand by, Daily Mail link incoming... 😉 Or the Daily Express....
so prophetic ? ( i think thats how you spell it )
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Post by elystokie on Sept 19, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
Or the Daily Express.... so prophetic ? ( i think thats how you spell it ) Some might call it prophetic 🤔 I suspect most would see it akin to betting on the sun rising of a morning 🤷
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 19, 2024 11:13:16 GMT
Or the Daily Express.... so prophetic ? ( i think thats how you spell it ) Your article does not evidence that our prisons are being clogged up by migrants crossing in small boats which is what you claimed and asked to evidence. How would you stop the boats?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 19, 2024 11:13:21 GMT
What’s your solution to stop the boats then? Strategically placed emojis on a football message board. Foolproof. Brilliant.
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Post by phileetin on Sept 19, 2024 13:45:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2024 14:19:56 GMT
I've been tempted to start a Farage thread all of his own for a while now but I've been afraid it might become a bit too toxic.
But really, do we think he does deserve one?
For the time being, I'll leave this here. An absolutely brilliant handover and the thing is, Farage can't go after him because every single word of it is true.
No doubt Farage was sitting in Ferrari's studio at the time and even LBC themselves are now sharing it ...
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Post by elystokie on Sept 19, 2024 15:05:21 GMT
I've been tempted to start a Farage thread all of his own for a while now but I've been afraid it might become a bit too toxic. But really, do we think he does deserve one? For the time being, I'll leave this here. An absolutely brilliant handover and the thing is, Farage can't go after him because every single word of it is true. No doubt Farage was sitting in Ferrari's studio at the time and even LBC themselves are now sharing it ... Wow 😳 When someone says it all out loud it sounds just like it's Trump he's talking about 🤔
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 19, 2024 15:10:31 GMT
I've been tempted to start a Farage thread all of his own for a while now but I've been afraid it might become a bit too toxic. But really, do we think he does deserve one? For the time being, I'll leave this here. An absolutely brilliant handover and the thing is, Farage can't go after him because every single word of it is true. No doubt Farage was sitting in Ferrari's studio at the time and even LBC themselves are now sharing it ... www.lbc.co.uk/news/nigel-farage-constituency-surgeries-clacton-on-sea-knives/Maybe we should Paul.
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