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Post by wannabee on Sept 3, 2024 22:56:51 GMT
Get your point but your figures are way out. If 1.1 million represents just 0.0013% of the population of Europe that makes the population of Europe 8.4 billion. The population of Europe is actually around 744 million. 1.1 million represents around 0.15% of the population of Europe. Your welcome I'm sure he will reply, no doubt at great length! But my guess is he was referring to the population of the world not Europe. The population of the world is about 8 billion. No need for me to reply at great length Gods it's quite trivial If you or anyone else asks me a question i try and give a comprehensive answer if it's not appreciated, too bad, no need for you or anyone else to lose sleep over And no you are incorrect in your assumption on what i was calculating, I liked lawrie's correction as he pointed out my error was that i inserted a % symbol, how tragic.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 4, 2024 6:30:07 GMT
I'm sure he will reply, no doubt at great length! But my guess is he was referring to the population of the world not Europe. The population of the world is about 8 billion. No need for me to reply at great length Gods it's quite trivial If you or anyone else asks me a question i try and give a comprehensive answer if it's not appreciated, too bad, no need for you or anyone else to lose sleep over And no you are incorrect in your assumption on what i was calculating, I liked lawrie's correction as he pointed out my error was that i inserted a % symbol, how tragic. Arrrgh what have i started. I’m a bit of a mathematician and like checking stats when they don’t look right. It doesn’t take away the relevance of your op.
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Post by Gods on Sept 4, 2024 6:55:47 GMT
I'm sure he will reply, no doubt at great length! But my guess is he was referring to the population of the world not Europe. The population of the world is about 8 billion. No need for me to reply at great length Gods it's quite trivial If you or anyone else asks me a question i try and give a comprehensive answer if it's not appreciated, too bad, no need for you or anyone else to lose sleep over And no you are incorrect in your assumption on what i was calculating, I liked lawrie's correction as he pointed out my error was that i inserted a % symbol, how tragic. Got it. The 'great length' was a joke, you share some great information 👍
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 4, 2024 11:21:35 GMT
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Post by Northy on Sept 4, 2024 15:18:24 GMT
These people flee deathIs it that bad in France now ?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 6, 2024 20:29:09 GMT
I see we have our first contestant.... "You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy."Individuals can only claim refugee and then asylum status in the UK once they are in the UK and are unable to return to their own country because you fear of persecution. So...if someone has links to the UK and is looking to enter the UK in order to claim asylum and refugee status how (and why) can they have come to the UK "illegally?". Conversely, how does someone enter the UK legally if there is no safe legal route to get to the UK where they already have family or speak the language? The whole point is that the far right Farage Brigade tarnish ALL those seeking to claim asylum as illegal immigrants precisely because 1. the asylum system has been broken by the Conservatives 2. it's easy to scapegoat vulnerable people if they aren't white 3. it's easier than solving the problem. Who’ve you been masquerading as for the last 12 and a half years? A Badger Culler
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2024 20:55:39 GMT
Who’ve you been masquerading as for the last 12 and a half years? A Badger Culler Nice try pal😉
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 7, 2024 1:14:56 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument.
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Post by 4372 on Sept 7, 2024 5:56:33 GMT
Rambling, turgid, and incoherent.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 7, 2024 7:13:24 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. Excellent listen and put himself across really well.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 7, 2024 9:59:37 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. 👏👏great call and I’d assume the majority of the country feel exactly the same
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Post by 4372 on Sept 7, 2024 10:40:30 GMT
Absolute drivel.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 7, 2024 11:49:43 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 7, 2024 12:03:36 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much You make some fair points there 👍
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 7, 2024 12:05:47 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much Brilliant. 👏
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Post by frasier37 on Sept 7, 2024 12:40:00 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much That should be enough to end this thread, or atleast posters from both sides discuss concerns and not allow the real cause behind this polarise us. It's just pointless.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 7, 2024 14:21:48 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. Absolutely spot on
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 7, 2024 14:39:39 GMT
Incredibly eloquent in his argument. His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much I’m not against immigration it just needs to be managed properly and it isn’t currently. There needs to be a handle on who’s coming in and what they can and want to offer to the U.K. I was recently in hospital for an op and received after care for a few days and the majority of nurses who were caring for me were immigrants and without exception were a joy to talk to. I’m sure no one can argue that they’ve earnt their right to be here and are very welcome. Unfortunately not all those that come into this country contribute anywhere near as much as they do and this is the biggest sticking point and what makes life difficult for those that move over for the right reason and want to embrace living in the U.K. It’s a very complicated issue where there will always be examples used as arguments and counter arguments. Excellent post though.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 7, 2024 15:22:49 GMT
His argument that homogenous societies are harmonious and diversity causes crime is flawed when you consult history and today's counter examples Diversity does bring challenges but they are not inherent and immutable. In large part the problems caused by multiculturalism stems from the fact that different groups (ALL) of people don’t believe a diverse population can live together. Thus instead of trying to find ways of bridging the gap, they spend their energy on either secluding themselves, trying to blame or contain the other group. Today in Europe the biggest cause of conflict is difference between Western Secularism and Islam When Britain and Europe were almost entirely homogenous the major cause of conflict was between Protestants and Catholics and bloody Wars between and within Countries were fought and mass persecution took place as well as various Pogroms against Jews in many Countries. Many felt so strongly in the certainty of their own belief system they traveled thousands of miles in a Crusade to impose it on others. I think someone mentioned Japan as being homogenous with a low crime rate but Singapore is incredibly diverse with a very low crime rate as could be said of Australia, New Zealand and Canada in relative terms. Much of South America, Africa and Caribbean are homogenous but many of these Countries have very large crime rates It is my contention that multiculturalism in itself doesn't cause problems but Politicians cause problems by not creating an environment that respects diversity of culture but with a common set of values. The onus is on differing groups to accept the common values in the environment they live in while retaining but not imposing their religious or cultural differences and that they don't conflict with the common culture*. Whether real or imagined if some people feel there is a Two Tier Society then it is not good enough for Politicians to dismiss it but to challenge the assertion openly and make adjustments where necessary. As in past Centuries there are Fanatics on both ends of the spectrum that can not accept differing values, these are the real enemies of harmony and should be dealt with severely as they are a cancer on a Society *The chap in the video has a very clear idea in his own mind the definition of British Culture, many may agree with his definition but many others wouldn't. If the question was posed 100 years ago and 100 years from now the answers would/will be entirely different. A Nations Culture is not Static and Immutable, some people can accept that others not so much I’m not against immigration it just needs to be managed properly and it isn’t currently. There needs to be a handle on who’s coming in and what they can and want to offer to the U.K. I was recently in hospital for an op and received after care for a few days and the majority of nurses who were caring for me were immigrants and without exception were a joy to talk to. I’m sure no one can argue that they’ve earnt their right to be here and are very welcome. Unfortunately not all those that come into this country contribute anywhere near as much as they do and this is the biggest sticking point and what makes life difficult for those that move over for the right reason and want to embrace living in the U.K. It’s a very complicated issue where there will always be examples used as arguments and counter arguments. Excellent post though. Fair enough Cobs and from your experience people's ethnicity or religion doesn't define them. Some people are arseholes others want to impose their beliefs on others, the former should be avoided the latter sanctioned. Criminality reaches across all groups and should be prosecuted without bias.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 7, 2024 15:54:46 GMT
I’m not against immigration it just needs to be managed properly and it isn’t currently. There needs to be a handle on who’s coming in and what they can and want to offer to the U.K. I was recently in hospital for an op and received after care for a few days and the majority of nurses who were caring for me were immigrants and without exception were a joy to talk to. I’m sure no one can argue that they’ve earnt their right to be here and are very welcome. Unfortunately not all those that come into this country contribute anywhere near as much as they do and this is the biggest sticking point and what makes life difficult for those that move over for the right reason and want to embrace living in the U.K. It’s a very complicated issue where there will always be examples used as arguments and counter arguments. Excellent post though. Fair enough Cobs and from your experience people's ethnicity or religion doesn't define them. Some people are arseholes others want to impose their beliefs on others, the former should be avoided the latter sanctioned. Criminality reaches across all groups and should be prosecuted without bias. I truly believe that's the attitude of most of the population whatever their ethnicity or religion. We're all let down by politicians on all sides that are incapable of tackling the issue effectively for all of us.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2024 17:53:32 GMT
Exactly what we need to be doing
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 9, 2024 18:11:39 GMT
Exactly what we need to be doing Top man
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2024 19:17:04 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 9, 2024 19:21:51 GMT
Exactly what we need to be doing It's only taken them how long to realise the EU open border project might be a bit dumb (and dangerous) after all? 🙄
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 9, 2024 19:28:53 GMT
Exactly what we need to be doing It's only taken them how long to realise the EU open border project might be a bit dumb (and dangerous) after all? 🙄 The end is nigh mate
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2024 17:28:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2024 21:04:31 GMT
You're genuinely in favour of the UK leaving the ECHR?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2024 21:16:02 GMT
You're genuinely in favour of the UK leaving the ECHR? If it stops illegal immigrants then yes but what the other consequences of that would I’m not sure 🤷♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2024 21:21:31 GMT
You're genuinely in favour of the UK leaving the ECHR? If it stops illegal immigrants then yes but what the other consequences of that would I’m not sure 🤷♂️ So you're prepared to back it without knowing what the consequences would be to you and I and whether the negatives might actually outweigh the (perceived) benefits to us?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2024 21:24:08 GMT
If it stops illegal immigrants then yes but what the other consequences of that would I’m not sure 🤷♂️ So you're prepared to back it without knowing what the consequences would be to you and I and whether the negatives might actually outweigh the (perceived) benefits to us? As I said if it stops thousands crossing the channel yes
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