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Post by phileetin on Aug 30, 2024 7:15:53 GMT
Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK? Hopefully none, but I doubt it. NOTE: There are 8 billion people on the planet, 7 billion of them live in a despotic shit hole from which they want away. most seem to be on their way here.
currently 1.8 million of them unemployed at the moment costing us 8 billion pounds a year.
all have probably got cash in hand jobs and delivering drugs and machetes in their spare time.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Aug 30, 2024 7:50:22 GMT
HISTORICAL CONTEXT POST-BREXIT:In the year to June 2017, there were 230,000 more people coming to live in the UK than leaving the UK to live abroad – which is “net migration”. When net migration is above zero, as it has been continually since 1994, migration is adding to the UK population. Net migration is 106,000 lower than it was the year before: this is the largest fall in any 12-month period since records began in 1964 and represents a reduction of around a third. But it’s important to note that this fall was from a very high net migration figure of 336,000 in the year to June 2016. Net migration had been increasing since 2012; the recent fall sees net migration returning to the level we saw in 2014. This level of net migration is not unusual as we have seen net migration vary between 140,000 and 336,000 over the last 20 years. Most of the fall in net migration is because of EU citizens Over three-quarters of the fall in net migration was due to EU citizens. But more EU citizens are still coming to the UK than leaving, showing EU net migration is adding to the UK population. The largest falls were from citizens of western EU countries (the EU15 group, for example France, Germany and Spain) and central and eastern Europe countries (the EU8 group, for example Poland). Some of this change might be because of economic changes across the EU, for example improved job opportunities and the fall in the value of the pound. Meanwhile, there’s been a small decrease in net migration of non-EU citizens and net migration of British citizens hasn’t changed – more British people still leave the UK than come or return to live here from abroad. Fewer people are coming to live in the UK…572,000 people came to live in the UK in the year to June 2017: that’s 80,000 fewer people than in the previous year. This reduction is high, but it’s from a starting point of 652,000 in the year to June 2016, which was the highest figure on record. It was driven by falls both in the numbers of EU citizens (down 19% on the previous year) as well as non-EU citizens (down 10%) coming to the UK.…and more EU citizens are leaving. The largest change in the number of people leaving the UK since Brexit was from EU citizens, increasing by 29% to 123,000. Of these EU citizens leaving the UK, 43,000 said that their main reason for leaving the UK was to return home, rather than because of work or for other reasons. This is an increase of 54% from the previous year. Recently the number of EU citizens leaving the UK has almost reached the higher level seen during the 2008 recession. The number of British and non-EU citizens leaving the UK has remained stable over the past year and fewer EU citizens are coming to the UK to look for work. Of the EU citizens coming to the UK for work reasons, a greater percentage were likely to have a definite job than those arriving in previous years. The number coming to look for work has more than halved in the year to June 2017, while the number of EU citizens arriving for a definite job has remained similar. The majority of the decrease in EU citizens looking for work was due to western EU citizens (the EU15 group) and central and eastern Europe citizens (the EU8). Overseas nationals require a National Insurance number to work or claim benefits in the UK. The number of EU nationals registering for a National Insurance number over the last year has decreased by 13%, showing a similar recent pattern to the migration statistics. Despite these decreases, EU net migration is still positive (as it has been since the 1990s), so you may expect the number of EU nationals employed in the UK to continue to rise. In July to September 2017, there were 2.38 million EU nationals employed in the UK, up 112,000 on the same period the previous year. More EU citizens are applying to become British citizens - In the year to June 2017, nearly 28,500 EU nationals applied to become British citizens, up 80% compared with the previous year. EU nationals need to be living in the UK for a minimum period before they can be granted UK citizenship, so are likely to have been longer-term residents rather than recent arrivals. Applications from non-EU nationals to become British citizens have fallen by 44% since 2010, probably because of the recent reduction in non-EU nationals settling in the UK as well as changes to eligibility. In the year to June 2017, the Home Office issued a record number (145,400) of permanent residence documents and cards to people from the European Economic Area (EEA) and their families1. This was more than five times the figure for the previous year (27,200). This is likely to be because of more people wanting to obtain confirmation of their rights following the referendum result; there were also some rule changes in the second half of 2015. THE REALITY NOW - Despite post-Brexit restrictions, net migration to the UK hit a record high of more than half a million last year. Only a small share of that is due to cross-channel crossings by small boats, which is currently high on the list of government priorities. The surge is partly due to one-off circumstances; arrivals from Ukraine and Hong Kong, a post-pandemic rebound in all cross-border movement, as well as an increase in student numbers. But it is also because employers have made much greater use than expected of the new, post-Brexit migration system introduced in January 2021, which makes it much harder to hire from the EU, but in many cases easier to recruit workers from other countries — for a fee. Pressures in the UK labour market, combined with changes in the rules, are prompting employers to use the visa system more freely than in the past. Care workers and nurses, chefs and butchers are among the occupations where visa sponsorship has surged. Together, the numbers overturn the assumption that post-Brexit Britain would have lower levels of immigration overall. Instead, a system of free movement for Europeans and hurdles to migration for most others has been replaced by one in which skilled workers globally can gain entry with slightly lower barriers than before, but at a higher cost. Excluded from the system are lower-paid jobs, a big shock for sectors such as logistics and manufacturing that had previously hired freely from the EU, and are now struggling most with hiring. This can change swiftly, however, when particular roles are added to a list of “shortage” occupations with lower requirements for skill and salary. Businesses have been lobbying ministers hard to add more roles to this shortage list, or to open new sectoral schemes of the kind already running in agriculture. The CBI, the employers’ organisation, argues this is urgently needed to “bridge the gap” until other policies to boost the domestic workforce bear fruit.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 30, 2024 9:07:59 GMT
HISTORICAL CONTEXT POST-BREXIT:In the year to June 2017, there were 230,000 more people coming to live in the UK than leaving the UK to live abroad – which is “net migration”. When net migration is above zero, as it has been continually since 1994, migration is adding to the UK population. Net migration is 106,000 lower than it was the year before: this is the largest fall in any 12-month period since records began in 1964 and represents a reduction of around a third. But it’s important to note that this fall was from a very high net migration figure of 336,000 in the year to June 2016. Net migration had been increasing since 2012; the recent fall sees net migration returning to the level we saw in 2014. This level of net migration is not unusual as we have seen net migration vary between 140,000 and 336,000 over the last 20 years. Most of the fall in net migration is because of EU citizens Over three-quarters of the fall in net migration was due to EU citizens. But more EU citizens are still coming to the UK than leaving, showing EU net migration is adding to the UK population. The largest falls were from citizens of western EU countries (the EU15 group, for example France, Germany and Spain) and central and eastern Europe countries (the EU8 group, for example Poland). Some of this change might be because of economic changes across the EU, for example improved job opportunities and the fall in the value of the pound. Meanwhile, there’s been a small decrease in net migration of non-EU citizens and net migration of British citizens hasn’t changed – more British people still leave the UK than come or return to live here from abroad. Fewer people are coming to live in the UK…572,000 people came to live in the UK in the year to June 2017: that’s 80,000 fewer people than in the previous year. This reduction is high, but it’s from a starting point of 652,000 in the year to June 2016, which was the highest figure on record. It was driven by falls both in the numbers of EU citizens (down 19% on the previous year) as well as non-EU citizens (down 10%) coming to the UK.…and more EU citizens are leaving. The largest change in the number of people leaving the UK since Brexit was from EU citizens, increasing by 29% to 123,000. Of these EU citizens leaving the UK, 43,000 said that their main reason for leaving the UK was to return home, rather than because of work or for other reasons. This is an increase of 54% from the previous year. Recently the number of EU citizens leaving the UK has almost reached the higher level seen during the 2008 recession. The number of British and non-EU citizens leaving the UK has remained stable over the past year and fewer EU citizens are coming to the UK to look for work. Of the EU citizens coming to the UK for work reasons, a greater percentage were likely to have a definite job than those arriving in previous years. The number coming to look for work has more than halved in the year to June 2017, while the number of EU citizens arriving for a definite job has remained similar. The majority of the decrease in EU citizens looking for work was due to western EU citizens (the EU15 group) and central and eastern Europe citizens (the EU8). Overseas nationals require a National Insurance number to work or claim benefits in the UK. The number of EU nationals registering for a National Insurance number over the last year has decreased by 13%, showing a similar recent pattern to the migration statistics. Despite these decreases, EU net migration is still positive (as it has been since the 1990s), so you may expect the number of EU nationals employed in the UK to continue to rise. In July to September 2017, there were 2.38 million EU nationals employed in the UK, up 112,000 on the same period the previous year. More EU citizens are applying to become British citizens - In the year to June 2017, nearly 28,500 EU nationals applied to become British citizens, up 80% compared with the previous year. EU nationals need to be living in the UK for a minimum period before they can be granted UK citizenship, so are likely to have been longer-term residents rather than recent arrivals. Applications from non-EU nationals to become British citizens have fallen by 44% since 2010, probably because of the recent reduction in non-EU nationals settling in the UK as well as changes to eligibility. In the year to June 2017, the Home Office issued a record number (145,400) of permanent residence documents and cards to people from the European Economic Area (EEA) and their families1. This was more than five times the figure for the previous year (27,200). This is likely to be because of more people wanting to obtain confirmation of their rights following the referendum result; there were also some rule changes in the second half of 2015. THE REALITY NOW - View AttachmentDespite post-Brexit restrictions, net migration to the UK hit a record high of more than half a million last year. Only a small share of that is due to cross-channel crossings by small boats, which is currently high on the list of government priorities. The surge is partly due to one-off circumstances; arrivals from Ukraine and Hong Kong, a post-pandemic rebound in all cross-border movement, as well as an increase in student numbers. But it is also because employers have made much greater use than expected of the new, post-Brexit migration system introduced in January 2021, which makes it much harder to hire from the EU, but in many cases easier to recruit workers from other countries — for a fee. Pressures in the UK labour market, combined with changes in the rules, are prompting employers to use the visa system more freely than in the past. Care workers and nurses, chefs and butchers are among the occupations where visa sponsorship has surged. Together, the numbers overturn the assumption that post-Brexit Britain would have lower levels of immigration overall. Instead, a system of free movement for Europeans and hurdles to migration for most others has been replaced by one in which skilled workers globally can gain entry with slightly lower barriers than before, but at a higher cost. Excluded from the system are lower-paid jobs, a big shock for sectors such as logistics and manufacturing that had previously hired freely from the EU, and are now struggling most with hiring. This can change swiftly, however, when particular roles are added to a list of “shortage” occupations with lower requirements for skill and salary. Businesses have been lobbying ministers hard to add more roles to this shortage list, or to open new sectoral schemes of the kind already running in agriculture. The CBI, the employers’ organisation, argues this is urgently needed to “bridge the gap” until other policies to boost the domestic workforce bear fruit. Well yes - high non-EU immigration into skilled jobs was post Brexit Tory government policy. The increase in immigration wasn't uncontrolled it was planned. I'm intrigued to know what policies are being planned to increase the domestic workforce.
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 30, 2024 9:20:34 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers…
Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters…
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Post by Ariel Manto on Aug 30, 2024 9:23:07 GMT
HISTORICAL CONTEXT POST-BREXIT:In the year to June 2017, there were 230,000 more people coming to live in the UK than leaving the UK to live abroad – which is “net migration”. When net migration is above zero, as it has been continually since 1994, migration is adding to the UK population. Net migration is 106,000 lower than it was the year before: this is the largest fall in any 12-month period since records began in 1964 and represents a reduction of around a third. But it’s important to note that this fall was from a very high net migration figure of 336,000 in the year to June 2016. Net migration had been increasing since 2012; the recent fall sees net migration returning to the level we saw in 2014. This level of net migration is not unusual as we have seen net migration vary between 140,000 and 336,000 over the last 20 years. Most of the fall in net migration is because of EU citizens Over three-quarters of the fall in net migration was due to EU citizens. But more EU citizens are still coming to the UK than leaving, showing EU net migration is adding to the UK population. The largest falls were from citizens of western EU countries (the EU15 group, for example France, Germany and Spain) and central and eastern Europe countries (the EU8 group, for example Poland). Some of this change might be because of economic changes across the EU, for example improved job opportunities and the fall in the value of the pound. Meanwhile, there’s been a small decrease in net migration of non-EU citizens and net migration of British citizens hasn’t changed – more British people still leave the UK than come or return to live here from abroad. Fewer people are coming to live in the UK…572,000 people came to live in the UK in the year to June 2017: that’s 80,000 fewer people than in the previous year. This reduction is high, but it’s from a starting point of 652,000 in the year to June 2016, which was the highest figure on record. It was driven by falls both in the numbers of EU citizens (down 19% on the previous year) as well as non-EU citizens (down 10%) coming to the UK.…and more EU citizens are leaving. The largest change in the number of people leaving the UK since Brexit was from EU citizens, increasing by 29% to 123,000. Of these EU citizens leaving the UK, 43,000 said that their main reason for leaving the UK was to return home, rather than because of work or for other reasons. This is an increase of 54% from the previous year. Recently the number of EU citizens leaving the UK has almost reached the higher level seen during the 2008 recession. The number of British and non-EU citizens leaving the UK has remained stable over the past year and fewer EU citizens are coming to the UK to look for work. Of the EU citizens coming to the UK for work reasons, a greater percentage were likely to have a definite job than those arriving in previous years. The number coming to look for work has more than halved in the year to June 2017, while the number of EU citizens arriving for a definite job has remained similar. The majority of the decrease in EU citizens looking for work was due to western EU citizens (the EU15 group) and central and eastern Europe citizens (the EU8). Overseas nationals require a National Insurance number to work or claim benefits in the UK. The number of EU nationals registering for a National Insurance number over the last year has decreased by 13%, showing a similar recent pattern to the migration statistics. Despite these decreases, EU net migration is still positive (as it has been since the 1990s), so you may expect the number of EU nationals employed in the UK to continue to rise. In July to September 2017, there were 2.38 million EU nationals employed in the UK, up 112,000 on the same period the previous year. More EU citizens are applying to become British citizens - In the year to June 2017, nearly 28,500 EU nationals applied to become British citizens, up 80% compared with the previous year. EU nationals need to be living in the UK for a minimum period before they can be granted UK citizenship, so are likely to have been longer-term residents rather than recent arrivals. Applications from non-EU nationals to become British citizens have fallen by 44% since 2010, probably because of the recent reduction in non-EU nationals settling in the UK as well as changes to eligibility. In the year to June 2017, the Home Office issued a record number (145,400) of permanent residence documents and cards to people from the European Economic Area (EEA) and their families1. This was more than five times the figure for the previous year (27,200). This is likely to be because of more people wanting to obtain confirmation of their rights following the referendum result; there were also some rule changes in the second half of 2015. THE REALITY NOW - View AttachmentDespite post-Brexit restrictions, net migration to the UK hit a record high of more than half a million last year. Only a small share of that is due to cross-channel crossings by small boats, which is currently high on the list of government priorities. The surge is partly due to one-off circumstances; arrivals from Ukraine and Hong Kong, a post-pandemic rebound in all cross-border movement, as well as an increase in student numbers. But it is also because employers have made much greater use than expected of the new, post-Brexit migration system introduced in January 2021, which makes it much harder to hire from the EU, but in many cases easier to recruit workers from other countries — for a fee. Pressures in the UK labour market, combined with changes in the rules, are prompting employers to use the visa system more freely than in the past. Care workers and nurses, chefs and butchers are among the occupations where visa sponsorship has surged. Together, the numbers overturn the assumption that post-Brexit Britain would have lower levels of immigration overall. Instead, a system of free movement for Europeans and hurdles to migration for most others has been replaced by one in which skilled workers globally can gain entry with slightly lower barriers than before, but at a higher cost. Excluded from the system are lower-paid jobs, a big shock for sectors such as logistics and manufacturing that had previously hired freely from the EU, and are now struggling most with hiring. This can change swiftly, however, when particular roles are added to a list of “shortage” occupations with lower requirements for skill and salary. Businesses have been lobbying ministers hard to add more roles to this shortage list, or to open new sectoral schemes of the kind already running in agriculture. The CBI, the employers’ organisation, argues this is urgently needed to “bridge the gap” until other policies to boost the domestic workforce bear fruit. Well yes - high non-EU immigration into skilled jobs was post Brexit Tory government policy. The increase in immigration wasn't uncontrolled it was planned. I'm intrigued to know what policies are being planned to increase the domestic workforce. Almost as though those advocating for Brexit didn't plan the whole thing through, you mean......
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Post by Ariel Manto on Aug 30, 2024 9:24:47 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers… Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters… Why on EARTH are you quoting Guido Fawkes verbatim? order-order.com/2024/08/30/1-6-million-unemployed-migrants-costing-taxpayer-8-5-billion-a-year/
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 10:54:36 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers… Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters… Why on EARTH are you quoting Guido Fawkes verbatim? order-order.com/2024/08/30/1-6-million-unemployed-migrants-costing-taxpayer-8-5-billion-a-year/My best guess is that he likes to quote Bollocks from an opaque Tufton Street "Think Tank" with the impressive sounding name Centre for Migration Control CMC set up about 6 months ago but without a digital platform or website as far as i can see, perhaps he even believes it. The only person quoted from CMC who makes up this nonsense is Robert Bates previously of the defunct Get Britain Out It's like a cancer growth where all the right wing Media (currently doing the rounds in Mail, Express etc as well as Guido) quote CMC as the source of this astonishing revelation We may find out at some point who's funding this propaganda
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 30, 2024 11:07:49 GMT
Well yes - high non-EU immigration into skilled jobs was post Brexit Tory government policy. The increase in immigration wasn't uncontrolled it was planned. I'm intrigued to know what policies are being planned to increase the domestic workforce. Almost as though those advocating for Brexit didn't plan the whole thing through, you mean...... The people pulling the strings on post Brexit economic strategy were the likes of the ERG - believers in unfettered globalised free markets and mobile cheap labour. They didn't advertise this - they let the little Englanders take centre stage to tell people it was all about shutting the borders and reducing immigration. It never was. You can see the unravelling of the unholy Brexit Alliance at the last election - Reform UK have picked up the little Englander vote and no doubt the ERG wing will be looking to get their man in as Tory leader. Having conned the public once they will use the same distraction tactic of focusing on illegal immigration while milking the cheap labour markets outside the EU.
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Post by tuum on Aug 30, 2024 12:55:35 GMT
Agree with you re. salaries. I work overseas as a contractor for a major US oil company. It is embarrassing to see the difference in terms and conditions between the US based staff and their UK based staff. US graduates are paid $80-100k on joining (I don't think the company pays signing on bonuses like some US companies do). UK graduates would be at the $50k mark. Engineer in the UK with 30 years experience about $130k. Same engineer in the US would be around $240k. Adding on the % mark ups for working overseas tops up both by another 50% excluding bonuses but the US payroll gets even more perks on top of the above. Eg.some of the US engineers I know have grandfather rights that my UK colleague doesn't get. Share options, better pension contributions. If you want to earn money there is only one country to be in. One of my Kazakh colleagues was offered a job in the UK. The people in the UK thought they were doing him a favour as if it was a great privilege. Truth is the salary on offer was only about 10% higher than he gets in Kazakhstan and he then has to pay more tax, astronomical rent and higher living costs. The UK guy was genuinely shocked when my colleague declined the offer. If the UK thinks it is getting the cream of the professional immigrant crop they are very much mistaken. USA, Australia, even the Middle East all offer way more in benefits and opportunity than the UK and Europe. All very valid points made by you, Seymour and Mtrs from lived experience In the NHS which is the biggest importer of Foreign Skilled workers there is a constant churn of Doctors and Nurses who use UK as a staging posr, who work in UK for 2/3 years have their qualifications endorsed and then move on to US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand for up to double the salaries and better conditions. Of course these opportunities are open to UK trained professionals as well and those that don't have strong family ties take the opportunity. Some people have the misguided impression that UK attracts the top talent, it doesn't far from it. If you've made the decision to emigrate why wouldn't you go to the places where you are most rewarded and using the most up to date technology www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/25/thousands-of-foreign-nurses-a-year-leave-uk-to-work-abroadDon't know anything about medical salaries but I read somewhere that locum Doctors day rates in the UK are quite high. £1500 a day and upwards. Not sure if this was during covid. I am sure they would probably get that in Australia but I suspect that Australian Doctors are generally happy with their lot and dont feel the need to ditch their regular jobs or, indeed, the absence of Drs may not be so acute as to warrant a load of locums plugging shortages everywhere. p. s. those salary numbers quoted in the article relative to each country for nurses probably apply to all professions across the board. Only the starting baseline is different for each profession.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 13:54:05 GMT
All very valid points made by you, Seymour and Mtrs from lived experience In the NHS which is the biggest importer of Foreign Skilled workers there is a constant churn of Doctors and Nurses who use UK as a staging posr, who work in UK for 2/3 years have their qualifications endorsed and then move on to US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand for up to double the salaries and better conditions. Of course these opportunities are open to UK trained professionals as well and those that don't have strong family ties take the opportunity. Some people have the misguided impression that UK attracts the top talent, it doesn't far from it. If you've made the decision to emigrate why wouldn't you go to the places where you are most rewarded and using the most up to date technology www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/25/thousands-of-foreign-nurses-a-year-leave-uk-to-work-abroadDon't know anything about medical salaries but I read somewhere that locum Doctors day rates in the UK are quite high. £1500 a day and upwards. Not sure if this was during covid. I am sure they would probably get that in Australia but I suspect that Australian Doctors are generally happy with their lot and dont feel the need to ditch their regular jobs or, indeed, the absence of Drs may not be so acute as to warrant a load of locums plugging shortages everywhere. p. s. those salary numbers quoted in the article relative to each country for nurses probably apply to all professions across the board. Only the starting baseline is different for each profession. I'd say £1,500 a day isn't unrealistic especially in an A&E setting. As in your game Locums are generally the most skilled with most varied experience in order to fill up their calendar. I'd hazard a guess that in London these rates would be exceeded and in the regions lower so it's probably a good average. As you also know the motivation for most is flexibility and earning potential but if you don't work you don't earn and there are no benefits You're right in your conjecture Australia has the 5th most Doctors per 1000 of the Population compared to UKs ranking of 28th therefore there is more demand for Locums in UK for an already overstretched service.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 30, 2024 15:47:52 GMT
Don't know anything about medical salaries but I read somewhere that locum Doctors day rates in the UK are quite high. £1500 a day and upwards. Not sure if this was during covid. I am sure they would probably get that in Australia but I suspect that Australian Doctors are generally happy with their lot and dont feel the need to ditch their regular jobs or, indeed, the absence of Drs may not be so acute as to warrant a load of locums plugging shortages everywhere. p. s. those salary numbers quoted in the article relative to each country for nurses probably apply to all professions across the board. Only the starting baseline is different for each profession. I'd say £1,500 a day isn't unrealistic especially in an A&E setting. As in your game Locums are generally the most skilled with most varied experience in order to fill up their calendar. I'd hazard a guess that in London these rates would be exceeded and in the regions lower so it's probably a good average. As you also know the motivation for most is flexibility and earning potential but if you don't work you don't earn and there are no benefits You're right in your conjecture Australia has the 5th most Doctors per 1000 of the Population compared to UKs ranking of 28th therefore there is more demand for Locums in UK for an already overstretched service. It is definitely £1500 per day minimum
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Post by starkiller on Aug 31, 2024 7:57:20 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2024 8:39:53 GMT
The keep coming🤷♂️ Starmer doing fuck all about it
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2024 21:28:55 GMT
Almost as though those advocating for Brexit didn't plan the whole thing through, you mean...... The people pulling the strings on post Brexit economic strategy were the likes of the ERG - believers in unfettered globalised free markets and mobile cheap labour. They didn't advertise this - they let the little Englanders take centre stage to tell people it was all about shutting the borders and reducing immigration. It never was. You can see the unravelling of the unholy Brexit Alliance at the last election - Reform UK have picked up the little Englander vote and no doubt the ERG wing will be looking to get their man in as Tory leader. Having conned the public once they will use the same distraction tactic of focusing on illegal immigration while milking the cheap labour markets outside the EU. I'm not really sure why you are stressing about the ERG when the Labour Party have a majority that makes them insignificant. Unless of course you realise that people have a real worry about illegal migration.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 1, 2024 1:17:48 GMT
The keep coming🤷♂️ Starmer doing fuck all about it It’s almost as if they’re being used as a weapon… Wonder who could be instigating that and has previous 🤔
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 1, 2024 18:04:11 GMT
Well yes - high non-EU immigration into skilled jobs was post Brexit Tory government policy. The increase in immigration wasn't uncontrolled it was planned. I'm intrigued to know what policies are being planned to increase the domestic workforce. Almost as though those advocating for Brexit didn't plan the whole thing through, you mean...... No. The people who knew they would control post Brexit economic policy (the likes of ERG) were planning to replace EU migrants with cheaper non-EU migrants and reduce workers rights in order to make labour cheaper and maximise profits for big business. The people who voted Brexit thinking it was all about reducing immigration and improving their life were conned. The violence and resentment that has erupted since the election is in part a reaction to that but is being misdirected at the Labour Party who to be fair under Corbyn did fuck all to get behind the remain vote but have inherited a shitshiw based on lies and broken promises.
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Post by Northy on Sept 1, 2024 18:33:36 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers… Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters… MPs questioning civil servants were told that as well as the migrants in hotels, the home office has 5000 empty hotel rooms ready in case they get a surge. 5000 empty rooms at the taxpayers' expense, ridiculous. The knock on affect is less hotel rooms available for normal bookings, so everything is more expensive. A couple of months ago when looking online for a room in Stevenage, they wanted £344 for 1 night for a room in the Holiday Inn Express, 3 hotels there are off the systems because they are full of migrants.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 2, 2024 8:05:54 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers… Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters… MPs questioning civil servants were told that as well as the migrants in hotels, the home office has 5000 empty hotel rooms ready in case they get a surge. 5000 empty rooms at the taxpayers' expense, ridiculous. The knock on affect is less hotel rooms available for normal bookings, so everything is more expensive. A couple of months ago when looking online for a room in Stevenage, they wanted £344 for 1 night for a room in the Holiday Inn Express, 3 hotels there are off the systems because they are full of migrants. That's because the Tories hadn't done anything practical to deal with the issue. Using hotels is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. The starting point is to admit that it's an issue that requires a long term solution and to put money and resources into solving the problem: 1 Make international agreements on a fair distribution of accepting legitimate asylum seekers. 2 Build international asylum seeker processing centres including one's in Nortrn France where people seeking asylum in the UK can be processed. 3 Break the gangs making money out of illegal immigration. Having properly managed official channels should undercut the economical viability of the activity. 4 Build asylum seeker centres and stop housing people in hotels. 5 Anyone who tries to bypass the official immigration routes, once up and running to be deported to their country of origin. Of course that solution presumes we honour our international commitments on asylum seekers which personally I think is what we should do. For those who think we should renege on their agreements what is your solution to the problem? There is a lot of noise about this being a problem and very little on what a practical solution would look like.
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Post by Northy on Sept 2, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
MPs questioning civil servants were told that as well as the migrants in hotels, the home office has 5000 empty hotel rooms ready in case they get a surge. 5000 empty rooms at the taxpayers' expense, ridiculous. The knock on affect is less hotel rooms available for normal bookings, so everything is more expensive. A couple of months ago when looking online for a room in Stevenage, they wanted £344 for 1 night for a room in the Holiday Inn Express, 3 hotels there are off the systems because they are full of migrants. That's because the Tories hadn't done anything practical to deal with the issue. Using hotels is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. The starting point is to admit that it's an issue that requires a long term solution and to put money and resources into solving the problem: 1 Make international agreements on a fair distribution of accepting legitimate asylum seekers. 2 Build international asylum seeker processing centres including one's in Nortrn France where people seeking asylum in the UK can be processed. 3 Break the gangs making money out of illegal immigration. Having properly managed official channels should undercut the economical viability of the activity. 4 Build asylum seeker centres and stop housing people in hotels. 5 Anyone who tries to bypass the official immigration routes, once up and running to be deported to their country of origin. Of course that solution presumes we honour our international commitments on asylum seekers which personally I think is what we should do. For those who think we should renege on their agreements what is your solution to the problem? There is a lot of noise about this being a problem and very little on what a practical solution would look like. Yet Labour have already scrapped Rawanda and the boat hotel. The point I was making was the 5000 empty rooms on standby, why 5000, not 1000, the difference in cost for that everyday is eye watering.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 2, 2024 8:11:32 GMT
That's because the Tories hadn't done anything practical to deal with the issue. Using hotels is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. The starting point is to admit that it's an issue that requires a long term solution and to put money and resources into solving the problem: 1 Make international agreements on a fair distribution of accepting legitimate asylum seekers. 2 Build international asylum seeker processing centres including one's in Nortrn France where people seeking asylum in the UK can be processed. 3 Break the gangs making money out of illegal immigration. Having properly managed official channels should undercut the economical viability of the activity. 4 Build asylum seeker centres and stop housing people in hotels. 5 Anyone who tries to bypass the official immigration routes, once up and running to be deported to their country of origin. Of course that solution presumes we honour our international commitments on asylum seekers which personally I think is what we should do. For those who think we should renege on their agreements what is your solution to the problem? There is a lot of noise about this being a problem and very little on what a practical solution would look like. Yet Labour have already scrapped Rawanda and the boat hotel. The point I was making was the 5000 empty rooms on standby, why 5000, not 1000, the difference in cost for that everyday is eye watering. Follow the money 😉
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 2, 2024 9:03:18 GMT
That's because the Tories hadn't done anything practical to deal with the issue. Using hotels is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. The starting point is to admit that it's an issue that requires a long term solution and to put money and resources into solving the problem: 1 Make international agreements on a fair distribution of accepting legitimate asylum seekers. 2 Build international asylum seeker processing centres including one's in Nortrn France where people seeking asylum in the UK can be processed. 3 Break the gangs making money out of illegal immigration. Having properly managed official channels should undercut the economical viability of the activity. 4 Build asylum seeker centres and stop housing people in hotels. 5 Anyone who tries to bypass the official immigration routes, once up and running to be deported to their country of origin. Of course that solution presumes we honour our international commitments on asylum seekers which personally I think is what we should do. For those who think we should renege on their agreements what is your solution to the problem? There is a lot of noise about this being a problem and very little on what a practical solution would look like. Yet Labour have already scrapped Rawanda and the boat hotel. The point I was making was the 5000 empty rooms on standby, why 5000, not 1000, the difference in cost for that everyday is eye watering. The only way the Rwanda scheme would work would be for the UK to either renege on or withdraw from its international agreements on asylum which would make it a pariah state. The boat hotel was a death trap and it wasn't cheap either. The use of hotels is a typical back of a fag packet Tory solution that filters public money into private hands. There are people out there making a packet out of this and it smacks of the PPE scandal. The whole thing needs investigating. The government needs to spend money on fit for purpose processing centres, not line the pocket of some chancers milking the state for whatever they can get with.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 2, 2024 12:34:03 GMT
I believe the former RAF base in Stafford has been empty for two years. Surely they could have converted it to hold 5000 migrants and still have had 5000 homes to sell once they'd sorted out the migration problem. It would have been a win-win situation.
OS.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 2, 2024 12:44:39 GMT
I believe the former RAF base in Stafford has been empty for two years. Surely they could have converted it to hold 5000 migrants and still have had 5000 homes to sell once they'd sorted out the migration problem. It would have been a win-win situation. OS. Surely been sold for a couple of quid to somebody's mate by now? That or St Modwen own it, like everything else
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 2, 2024 12:59:08 GMT
I believe the former RAF base in Stafford has been empty for two years. Surely they could have converted it to hold 5000 migrants and still have had 5000 homes to sell once they'd sorted out the migration problem. It would have been a win-win situation. OS. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98478907g1oIt's not what you know, it's who you know. Can't have them running around the county town, what, what! Send them up to the slums in Stoke, they'll fit in there.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 2, 2024 12:59:23 GMT
Out-of-work migrants are costing the taxpayer an eye-watering £8.5 billion a year, according to a new report from the Centre for Migration Control. This comes as ONS figures reveal a record 1,689,000 non-UK nationals are either out of work or simply not bothering to look for a job. And that excludes students and asylum seekers… Meanwhile, the Institute for Fiscal Studies has blasted the Home Office for repeatedly overspending on asylum support, exceeding the budget by a whopping £7.6 billion other the last three years. Illegal channel migrant crossings continue to surge as well, with over 20,000 migrants crossing in 2024 so far. This expensive issue will leave Labour in choppy waters… MPs questioning civil servants were told that as well as the migrants in hotels, the home office has 5000 empty hotel rooms ready in case they get a surge. 5000 empty rooms at the taxpayers' expense, ridiculous. The knock on affect is less hotel rooms available for normal bookings, so everything is more expensive. A couple of months ago when looking online for a room in Stevenage, they wanted £344 for 1 night for a room in the Holiday Inn Express, 3 hotels there are off the systems because they are full of migrants. That money would be better spent funding an asylum and immigration system which actually worked. Unfortunately, thanks to 14 years of complete and utter mismanagement by the Conservatives, only now is the Home Office having money pumped into it all to help to process asylum claims. It genuinely would help if some contributors on here actually knew the difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker, though. The post-general election Farage riots had literally nothing to do with asylum seekers and everything to do with idiots who can't (or won't) read...although they'll have all the time in the world to learn now they are at His Majesty's pleasure.
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Post by Northy on Sept 2, 2024 13:45:12 GMT
MPs questioning civil servants were told that as well as the migrants in hotels, the home office has 5000 empty hotel rooms ready in case they get a surge. 5000 empty rooms at the taxpayers' expense, ridiculous. The knock on affect is less hotel rooms available for normal bookings, so everything is more expensive. A couple of months ago when looking online for a room in Stevenage, they wanted £344 for 1 night for a room in the Holiday Inn Express, 3 hotels there are off the systems because they are full of migrants. That money would be better spent funding an asylum and immigration system which actually worked. Unfortunately, thanks to 14 years of complete and utter mismanagement by the Conservatives, only now is the Home Office having money pumped into it all to help to process asylum claims. It genuinely would help if some contributors on here actually knew the difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker, though. The post-general election Farage riots had literally nothing to do with asylum seekers and everything to do with idiots who can't (or won't) read...although they'll have all the time in the world to learn now they are at His Majesty's pleasure. You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy. What is the percentage of those crossing the channel fleeing from war and persecution to be able to claim asylum, do you know? If they rent does that make their actions entering the country illegal?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2024 20:51:45 GMT
That money would be better spent funding an asylum and immigration system which actually worked. Unfortunately, thanks to 14 years of complete and utter mismanagement by the Conservatives, only now is the Home Office having money pumped into it all to help to process asylum claims. It genuinely would help if some contributors on here actually knew the difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker, though. The post-general election Farage riots had literally nothing to do with asylum seekers and everything to do with idiots who can't (or won't) read...although they'll have all the time in the world to learn now they are at His Majesty's pleasure. You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy. What is the percentage of those crossing the channel fleeing from war and persecution to be able to claim asylum, do you know? If they rent does that make their actions entering the country illegal? Unless you are coming from Ukraine or Hong Kong, it is impossible for ANY asylum seeker to enter the UK legally. And an asylum seeker is not allowed to seek asylum in the UK, unless they make that application on British soil. Do you see what the issue might be here?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 2, 2024 20:52:01 GMT
That money would be better spent funding an asylum and immigration system which actually worked. Unfortunately, thanks to 14 years of complete and utter mismanagement by the Conservatives, only now is the Home Office having money pumped into it all to help to process asylum claims. It genuinely would help if some contributors on here actually knew the difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker, though. The post-general election Farage riots had literally nothing to do with asylum seekers and everything to do with idiots who can't (or won't) read...although they'll have all the time in the world to learn now they are at His Majesty's pleasure. You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy. What is the percentage of those crossing the channel fleeing from war and persecution to be able to claim asylum, do you know? If they rent does that make their actions entering the country illegal? I see we have our first contestant.... "You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy."Individuals can only claim refugee and then asylum status in the UK once they are in the UK and are unable to return to their own country because you fear of persecution. So...if someone has links to the UK and is looking to enter the UK in order to claim asylum and refugee status how (and why) can they have come to the UK "illegally?". Conversely, how does someone enter the UK legally if there is no safe legal route to get to the UK where they already have family or speak the language? The whole point is that the far right Farage Brigade tarnish ALL those seeking to claim asylum as illegal immigrants precisely because 1. the asylum system has been broken by the Conservatives 2. it's easy to scapegoat vulnerable people if they aren't white 3. it's easier than solving the problem.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 2, 2024 20:58:41 GMT
You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy. What is the percentage of those crossing the channel fleeing from war and persecution to be able to claim asylum, do you know? If they rent does that make their actions entering the country illegal? I see we have our first contestant.... "You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy."Individuals can only claim refugee and then asylum status in the UK once they are in the UK and are unable to return to their own country because you fear of persecution. So...if someone has links to the UK and is looking to enter the UK in order to claim asylum and refugee status how (and why) can they have come to the UK "illegally?". Conversely, how does someone enter the UK legally if there is no safe legal route to get to the UK where they already have family or speak the language? The whole point is that the far right Farage Brigade tarnish ALL those seeking to claim asylum as illegal immigrants precisely because 1. the asylum system has been broken by the Conservatives 2. it's easy to scapegoat vulnerable people if they aren't white 3. it's easier than solving the problem. Who’ve you been masquerading as for the last 12 and a half years?
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Post by wannabee on Sept 2, 2024 21:08:32 GMT
You enter the country illegally, your actions make it illegal, some go onto try and claim asylum, some don't (as they know it wouldn't be granted) and disappear into the black economy. What is the percentage of those crossing the channel fleeing from war and persecution to be able to claim asylum, do you know? If they rent does that make their actions entering the country illegal? Unless you are coming from Ukraine or Hong Kong, it is impossible for ANY asylum seeker to enter the UK legally. And an asylum seeker is not allowed to seek asylum in the UK, unless they make that application on British soil. Do you see what the issue might be here? On some threads it would be great if Statements of Fact was pinned so that the same old tired nonsense didn't have to be repeatedly corrected
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