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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2024 21:40:20 GMT
So you're prepared to back it without knowing what the consequences would be to you and I and whether the negatives might actually outweigh the (perceived) benefits to us? As I said if it stops thousands crossing the channel yes You're being sold an outright con mate, by people who couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Great Britain was a proud signatory and founder of the ECHR following World War 2, indeed Churchill was one of (if not THE) loudest voices advocating it's creation. It gave you and I protection against things like torture, killing, slavery and assures our freedom of speech, right to assembly, religion, privacy and much more. To leave, would leave us impotent when we wish to criticise the likes of China and Russia for THEIR human rights abuses. Indeed the only countries in Europe that are not signatories to the ECHR are Belarus and Russia. Do you genuinely want the UK to be recognised on the World stage as a similar pariah state, whilst at the same time giving up your own basic human rights?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 10, 2024 21:55:32 GMT
As I said if it stops thousands crossing the channel yes You're being sold an outright con mate, by people who couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Great Britain was a proud signatory and founder of the ECHR following World War 2, indeed Churchill was one of (if not THE) loudest voices advocating it's creation. It gave you and I protection against things like torture, killing, slavery and assures our freedom of speech, right to assembly, religion, privacy and much more. To leave, would leave us impotent when we wish to criticise the likes of China and Russia for THEIR human rights abuses. Indeed the only countries in Europe that are not signatories to the ECHR are Belarus and Russia. Do you genuinely want the UK to be recognised on the World stage as a similar pariah state, whilst at the same time giving up your own basic human rights? No I want a way of stopping migrants as I keep repeating end of Anyway I’m off to bed
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 10, 2024 22:08:04 GMT
You're being sold an outright con mate, by people who couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Great Britain was a proud signatory and founder of the ECHR following World War 2, indeed Churchill was one of (if not THE) loudest voices advocating it's creation. It gave you and I protection against things like torture, killing, slavery and assures our freedom of speech, right to assembly, religion, privacy and much more. To leave, would leave us impotent when we wish to criticise the likes of China and Russia for THEIR human rights abuses. Indeed the only countries in Europe that are not signatories to the ECHR are Belarus and Russia. Do you genuinely want the UK to be recognised on the World stage as a similar pariah state, whilst at the same time giving up your own basic human rights? No I want a way of stopping migrants as I keep repeating end of Anyway I’m off to bed Good, leaving the ECHR isn't your panacea mate, as much as some conmen want you to believe it is.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 11, 2024 1:10:36 GMT
You're being sold an outright con mate, by people who couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Great Britain was a proud signatory and founder of the ECHR following World War 2, indeed Churchill was one of (if not THE) loudest voices advocating it's creation. It gave you and I protection against things like torture, killing, slavery and assures our freedom of speech, right to assembly, religion, privacy and much more. To leave, would leave us impotent when we wish to criticise the likes of China and Russia for THEIR human rights abuses. Indeed the only countries in Europe that are not signatories to the ECHR are Belarus and Russia. Do you genuinely want the UK to be recognised on the World stage as a similar pariah state, whilst at the same time giving up your own basic human rights? No I want a way of stopping migrants as I keep repeating end of Anyway I’m off to bed How would leaving ECHR stop Asylum Seekers in small boats? How would breaking the Good Friday Agreement be a good thing? How would aligning with Russia and Belarus as the only European Countries outside ECHR enhance UKs reputation?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 11, 2024 14:06:25 GMT
No I want a way of stopping migrants as I keep repeating end of Anyway I’m off to bed How would leaving ECHR stop Asylum Seekers in small boats? How would breaking the Good Friday Agreement be a good thing? How would aligning with Russia and Belarus as the only European Countries outside ECHR enhance UKs reputation? 1. It won't. 2. It won't. 3. It won't. Happy to help.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 15, 2024 14:07:47 GMT
Absolute fuckin disgrace and these wankers are doing nothing about it😡smashing the gangs my arse
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 15, 2024 14:14:19 GMT
Absolute fuckin disgrace and these wankers are doing nothing about it😡smashing the gangs my arse Would you really expect them to? It's not in their interest.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 15, 2024 14:15:03 GMT
Absolute fuckin disgrace and these wankers are doing nothing about it😡smashing the gangs my arse Would you really expect them to? It's not in their interest. I’d expect them to at least try🤷♂️
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 15, 2024 14:33:55 GMT
Would you really expect them to? It's not in their interest. I’d expect them to at least try🤷♂️ They'll make a show of it and it'll continue just as it did under the Tories.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 15, 2024 18:02:59 GMT
Absolute fuckin disgrace and these wankers are doing nothing about it😡smashing the gangs my arse So if a boat full of people are found in the middle of the channel what do you expect the government to do? You are full of outrage and have offered no actual practical solution.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2024 18:57:11 GMT
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Post by knype on Sept 16, 2024 3:31:30 GMT
Absolute fuckin disgrace and these wankers are doing nothing about it😡smashing the gangs my arse So if a boat full of people are found in the middle of the channel what do you expect the government to do? You are full of outrage and have offered no actual practical solution.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 7:42:44 GMT
We are going to solve the problem through sarcasm? Next...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 7:46:30 GMT
So if a boat full of people are found in the middle of the channel what do you expect the government to do? You are full of outrage and have offered no actual practical solution. Best solution yet...
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 16, 2024 7:56:21 GMT
You're being sold an outright con mate, by people who couldn't give a flying fuck about you. Great Britain was a proud signatory and founder of the ECHR following World War 2, indeed Churchill was one of (if not THE) loudest voices advocating it's creation. It gave you and I protection against things like torture, killing, slavery and assures our freedom of speech, right to assembly, religion, privacy and much more. To leave, would leave us impotent when we wish to criticise the likes of China and Russia for THEIR human rights abuses. Indeed the only countries in Europe that are not signatories to the ECHR are Belarus and Russia. Do you genuinely want the UK to be recognised on the World stage as a similar pariah state, whilst at the same time giving up your own basic human rights? No I want a way of stopping migrants as I keep repeating end of Anyway I’m off to bed Why on earth would you want to stop migrants when the economy needs them? I don't know why we don't consider mandatorily deporting every knuckle dragger who ever voted for Reform, UKIP, the BNP, 30p Lee or Nigel Farage to Rwanda.
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Post by phileetin on Sept 16, 2024 8:04:20 GMT
aren't there between 11000 - 16000 of the buggers clogging up prisons .
do the illegals pay taxes on their dodgy deals while they clog up hotels for which we pay millions to donors of political parties ?
yes , the economy needs them so that taxes can go up to pay for them , so that pensioners can suffer to pay for them , so that inflation goes up , so that the country can go to the imf .
same old liebour
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 8:15:37 GMT
aren't there between 11000 - 16000 of the buggers clogging up prisons . do the illegals pay taxes on their dodgy deals while they clog up hotels for which we pay millions to donors of political parties ? yes , the economy needs them so that taxes can go up to pay for them , so that pensioners can suffer to pay for them , so that inflation goes up , so that the country can go to the imf . same old liebour Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”? They are prohibited from working so they cannot earn and pay tax. I agree that is a ridiculous situation. But if we process the claims efficiently and had proper places to temporarily house them, they won’t be in hotels at the tax payer’s expense. That’s on the government, not the asylum seekers. The simple solution is to allow anyone to seek asylum here by making a claim from a British embassy anywhere in the world. Then if their claim succeeds, they can come. Then change the law to make anyone crossing rejected as they could have sought asylum using a safe route of a British embassy. I guarantee the boats come as near to stopping as they ever will. We also desperately need to rejoin the EU or at least the Dublin agreement so we have our return agreement with the EU in place. Brexiteers only have themselves to blame. They voted leave and so to end the Dublin Agreement and to be able to return people crossing to the first safe location they arrived at. Everyone who voted leave must have know they were voting for this, unless they voted blindly and didn’t know what they were voting for!?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 16, 2024 9:18:59 GMT
aren't there between 11000 - 16000 of the buggers clogging up prisons . do the illegals pay taxes on their dodgy deals while they clog up hotels for which we pay millions to donors of political parties ? yes , the economy needs them so that taxes can go up to pay for them , so that pensioners can suffer to pay for them , so that inflation goes up , so that the country can go to the imf . same old liebour Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”? They are prohibited from working so they cannot earn and pay tax. I agree that is a ridiculous situation. But if we process the claims efficiently and had proper places to temporarily house them, they won’t be in hotels at the tax payer’s expense. That’s on the government, not the asylum seekers. The simple solution is to allow anyone to seek asylum here by making a claim from a British embassy anywhere in the world. Then if their claim succeeds, they can come. Then change the law to make anyone crossing rejected as they could have sought asylum using a safe route of a British embassy. I guarantee the boats come as near to stopping as they ever will. We also desperately need to rejoin the EU or at least the Dublin agreement so we have our return agreement with the EU in place. Brexiteers only have themselves to blame. They voted leave and so to end the Dublin Agreement and to be able to return people crossing to the first safe location they arrived at. Everyone who voted leave must have know they were voting for this, unless they voted blindly and didn’t know what they were voting for!? "Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”?" Stand by, Daily Mail link incoming... 😉
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 16, 2024 10:16:52 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 10:37:43 GMT
They have been checking border crossings for the last 6 months
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 10:42:11 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2024 14:31:48 GMT
So if a boat full of people are found in the middle of the channel what do you expect the government to do? You are full of outrage and have offered no actual practical solution. It would appear the government is trying to use international cooperation as a means of addressing uncontrolled immigration BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgddpq44qjtKeir Starmer commends Italy's 'remarkable progress' on 'irregular migration' - BBC News. Haven't they realised the power of the emoji solution? 😲
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 16, 2024 14:38:05 GMT
Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”? They are prohibited from working so they cannot earn and pay tax. I agree that is a ridiculous situation. But if we process the claims efficiently and had proper places to temporarily house them, they won’t be in hotels at the tax payer’s expense. That’s on the government, not the asylum seekers. The simple solution is to allow anyone to seek asylum here by making a claim from a British embassy anywhere in the world. Then if their claim succeeds, they can come. Then change the law to make anyone crossing rejected as they could have sought asylum using a safe route of a British embassy. I guarantee the boats come as near to stopping as they ever will. We also desperately need to rejoin the EU or at least the Dublin agreement so we have our return agreement with the EU in place. Brexiteers only have themselves to blame. They voted leave and so to end the Dublin Agreement and to be able to return people crossing to the first safe location they arrived at. Everyone who voted leave must have know they were voting for this, unless they voted blindly and didn’t know what they were voting for!? "Where is your evidence that many unprocessed asylum seekers are “clogging up prisons”?" Stand by, Daily Mail link incoming... 😉 Or the Daily Express....
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 16, 2024 15:58:27 GMT
It would appear the government is trying to use international cooperation as a means of addressing uncontrolled immigration BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgddpq44qjtKeir Starmer commends Italy's 'remarkable progress' on 'irregular migration' - BBC News. Haven't they realised the power of the emoji solution? 😲 You have to admire knype's economy of effort. It used to be a maximum of about eight words you'd get by way of 'reasoned' response. He's improved that to just an emoji. Come on, credit where it's due. The next step will be telepathic communication of attempted riposte without even logging on
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 17:16:56 GMT
It would appear the government is trying to use international cooperation as a means of addressing uncontrolled immigration BBC News - www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgddpq44qjtKeir Starmer commends Italy's 'remarkable progress' on 'irregular migration' - BBC News. Haven't they realised the power of the emoji solution? 😲 You have to admire knype's economy of effort. It used to be a maximum of about eight words you'd get by way of 'reasoned' response. He's improved that to just an emoji. Come on, credit where it's due. The next step will be telepathic communication of attempted riposte without even logging on That is what phileetin has resorted to
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 19:11:24 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2024 19:15:27 GMT
That’s great news and we should embrace it. We should be a place where highly qualified foreigners come to work and improve society. That isn’t the case with roughly 99.9% though* *statistics provided by Badgers opinion and are not entirely verified
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 16, 2024 19:51:08 GMT
That’s great news and we should embrace it. We should be a place where highly qualified foreigners come to work and improve society. That isn’t the case with roughly 99.9% though* *statistics provided by Badgers opinion and are not entirely verified Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 16, 2024 19:59:54 GMT
That’s great news and we should embrace it. We should be a place where highly qualified foreigners come to work and improve society. That isn’t the case with roughly 99.9% though* *statistics provided by Badgers opinion and are not entirely verified Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. Few Brits willing.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 16, 2024 20:00:38 GMT
That’s great news and we should embrace it. We should be a place where highly qualified foreigners come to work and improve society. That isn’t the case with roughly 99.9% though* *statistics provided by Badgers opinion and are not entirely verified Absolutely. Unfortunately the biggest net contributor to our economy is, on average, an EU migrant (followed by a non-EU migrants and Brits are last). Sadly Brexit means we are getting fewer EU migrants than we otherwise would have had. We need workers, particularly during their working years. Ideally highly skilled. But there are loads of unskilled jobs (such a derogatory term) that need filling and seemingly few Brits to fill the roles. I think Brits will fill the roles if they’re not constantly beaten by immigrants who’ll work for nowt. Another reason is the outrageous handouts given to those able to work but don’t by successive governments and the meteoric rise of the national living wage
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