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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 28, 2024 19:54:35 GMT
Assuming 100 quid a night that's 500k a day to have empty hotel rooms 😆. Holy shit that's crazy..no wonder we need tax rises
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Post by Davef on Aug 28, 2024 21:00:30 GMT
Good job we haven't got a homelessness crisis in this country isn't it?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 28, 2024 21:18:22 GMT
Good job we haven't got a homelessness crisis in this country isn't it? Good point well made 👏
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 28, 2024 21:25:11 GMT
Good job we haven't got a homelessness crisis in this country isn't it? I’m ashamed to be from this country at the moment, absolutely disgusting waste of money and more importantly a government that despises the people they claim to represent.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2024 21:56:00 GMT
Good job we haven't got a homelessness crisis in this country isn't it? I’m ashamed to be from this country at the moment, absolutely disgusting waste of money and more importantly a government that despises the people they claim to represent. What an absolute farce. What that wasted money could be spent on. It could make such a difference. We really are a soft touch. By making it so easy more and more people will come over till we’re so stretched that the infrastructure of this country will totally collapse. What a mess. Who’s the clown trying to explain what they’re doing.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 28, 2024 23:01:44 GMT
Somebody must be bored... It's an old clip. Not related to the current government. I like my news to be accurate and up to date.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 29, 2024 4:20:02 GMT
Somebody must be bored... It's an old clip. Not related to the current government. I like my news to be accurate and up to date. As if Labour suddenly procured 5,000 hotel rooms in 7 weeks without anyone noticing 🤦 Somebody's been having a few weekend breaks for gratis it seems, probably a couple of quid too..
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 29, 2024 4:24:04 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2npgpz048oDoesn't seem a great surprise when you read this. Piss up in a brewery springs to mind. Amazingly it makes up a third of Reeves £22bn 'black hole' if the figures are to be believed. Is it any wonder the previous and incumbent government don't want to tell you the detail of that?
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2024 7:39:34 GMT
They've taken over what was once our lovely local hotel.
There's not much you can do. It's every hoteliers dream: 100% occupancy 7 x 24 x 365 and zero default on the bill.
The owner is basically doing no real hotel work or developing the business instead he's coining it in on the tax payers tab.
Not sure if I'm angry or jealous or both!
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 29, 2024 9:03:11 GMT
They've taken over what was once our lovely local hotel. There's not much you can do. It's every hoteliers dream: 100% occupancy 7 x 24 x 365 and zero default on the bill. The owner is basically doing no real hotel work or developing the business instead he's coining it in on the tax payers tab. Not sure if I'm angry or jealous or both! Same over here......Best Western Hotel 100 yards up the road from me, where they signed a deal with the government to allocate so many rooms per hotel for refugees across the country. Its backfired though as no one wants to stay at the hotels so revenues are down. Other hotel chains have benefited fromt his though as have BnBs Its certainly a conundrum.....
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 9:04:45 GMT
Assuming 100 quid a night that's 500k a day to have empty hotel rooms 😆. Holy shit that's crazy.. no wonder we need tax rises And why we needed a new Government .... an honest one that could be honest about the Countries Finances and on what and where it was spending Taxpayers money Analysing three years of financial records, the IFS found the Home Office had told parliament at the start of each year it needed an average £110m to cover the UK’s asylum, border, visa and passport operations. However, it ended up spending vastly more: an average of £2.6bn a year.This is a good part of why Starmer and Reeves say they will have to make tough choices The Tory's lied to you, shock horror....they were processed through Marston and put up in Hotels never to be engaged with again because they were non people the Torys chose to ignore Even the IFS now agree that Reeves is completely right to call out the Tory's for deliberately massaging and hiding the true figures I suppose there will be some who will continue to direct their anger in different directions according to their particular preference or bias. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/home-office-criticised-over-woefully-understated-tory-asylum-budgets
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Post by Davef on Aug 29, 2024 9:08:34 GMT
They've taken over what was once our lovely local hotel. There's not much you can do. It's every hoteliers dream: 100% occupancy 7 x 24 x 365 and zero default on the bill. The owner is basically doing no real hotel work or developing the business instead he's coining it in on the tax payers tab. Not sure if I'm angry or jealous or both! And they've got the brass neck to cancel bookings and hike their prices ridiculously because a rock band has announced a tour.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 9:10:44 GMT
I’m ashamed to be from this country at the moment, absolutely disgusting waste of money and more importantly a government that despises the people they claim to represent. What an absolute farce. What that wasted money could be spent on. It could make such a difference. We really are a soft touch. By making it so easy more and more people will come over till we’re so stretched that the infrastructure of this country will totally collapse. What a mess. Who’s the clown trying to explain what they’re doing. A Civil Servant who was explaining what the Home Office was doing under the previous Governments instructions
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Post by 4372 on Aug 29, 2024 9:12:34 GMT
Good job we haven't got a homelessness crisis in this country isn't it? I’m ashamed to be from this country at the moment, absolutely disgusting waste of money and more importantly a government that despises the people they claim to represent. I think you might be catastrophising. It's a situation created by the last government. Enjoy the good weather.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 29, 2024 9:16:29 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 29, 2024 9:20:10 GMT
What an absolute farce. What that wasted money could be spent on. It could make such a difference. We really are a soft touch. By making it so easy more and more people will come over till we’re so stretched that the infrastructure of this country will totally collapse. What a mess. Who’s the clown trying to explain what they’re doing. A Civil Servant who was explaining what the Home Office was doing under the previous Governments instructions For me it’s not about who said it it’s about what they said. I genuinely couldn’t care whether it’s a Tory, Labour, Lib dem’s or Reform when it’s wrong it’s wrong. It’s a ridiculous waste of money when you look at all the homeless on the street or the lack of funding in public services.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 9:42:19 GMT
A Civil Servant who was explaining what the Home Office was doing under the previous Governments instructions For me it’s not about who said it it’s about what they said. I genuinely couldn’t care whether it’s a Tory, Labour, Lib dem’s or Reform when it’s wrong it’s wrong. It’s a ridiculous waste of money when you look at all the homeless on the street or the lack of funding in public services. Of course it is wrong but you asked the question of who he was but it's also important to understand when he said it and on who's behalf. I feel sorry for the poor sod as a Civil Servant he is duty bound to carry out his duties as directed by the Home Office Minister, there have been so many its hard to know which one, he can disagree with the Policy in Private and argue the case with the Minister but once instructed he must follow and defend it in public. Labour are in the process of trying to unravel and dismantle many of the irrational Conservative Immigration Policies including immediately stopping the colossal waste of money on Rwanda
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Post by phileetin on Aug 29, 2024 9:46:15 GMT
Assuming 100 quid a night that's 500k a day to have empty hotel rooms 😆. Holy shit that's crazy.. no wonder we need tax rises And why we needed a new Government .... an honest one that could be honest about the Countries Finances and on what and where it was spending Taxpayers money Analysing three years of financial records, the IFS found the Home Office had told parliament at the start of each year it needed an average £110m to cover the UK’s asylum, border, visa and passport operations. However, it ended up spending vastly more: an average of £2.6bn a year.This is a good part of why Starmer and Reeves say they will have to make tough choices The Tory's lied to you, shock horror....they were processed through Marston and put up in Hotels never to be engaged with again because they were non people the Torys chose to ignore Even the IFS now agree that Reeves is completely right to call out the Tory's for deliberately massaging and hiding the true figures I suppose there will be some who will continue to direct their anger in different directions according to their particular preference or bias. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/home-office-criticised-over-woefully-understated-tory-asylum-budgetserr , so have labour solved the problem then ?
echr and labour opposed everything tried to deter the damn illegal immigrants .
all they had to do was say they were gay , didn't matter if they subsequently commited rape.
at least labor are going to build 1,500,000 houses in the next 5 years to house them , pity they haven't started yet .
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Post by elystokie on Aug 29, 2024 9:52:13 GMT
And why we needed a new Government .... an honest one that could be honest about the Countries Finances and on what and where it was spending Taxpayers money Analysing three years of financial records, the IFS found the Home Office had told parliament at the start of each year it needed an average £110m to cover the UK’s asylum, border, visa and passport operations. However, it ended up spending vastly more: an average of £2.6bn a year.This is a good part of why Starmer and Reeves say they will have to make tough choices The Tory's lied to you, shock horror....they were processed through Marston and put up in Hotels never to be engaged with again because they were non people the Torys chose to ignore Even the IFS now agree that Reeves is completely right to call out the Tory's for deliberately massaging and hiding the true figures I suppose there will be some who will continue to direct their anger in different directions according to their particular preference or bias. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/home-office-criticised-over-woefully-understated-tory-asylum-budgetserr , so have labour solved the problem then ? echr and labour opposed everything tried to deter the damn illegal immigrants .
all they had to do was say they were gay , didn't matter if they subsequently commited rape. at least labor are going to build 1,500,000 houses in the next 5 years to house them , pity they haven't started yet .
Don't think we've finished (or started!) those 40 new hospitals the Liar King promised yet have we? 🤔
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 10:08:09 GMT
And why we needed a new Government .... an honest one that could be honest about the Countries Finances and on what and where it was spending Taxpayers money Analysing three years of financial records, the IFS found the Home Office had told parliament at the start of each year it needed an average £110m to cover the UK’s asylum, border, visa and passport operations. However, it ended up spending vastly more: an average of £2.6bn a year.This is a good part of why Starmer and Reeves say they will have to make tough choices The Tory's lied to you, shock horror....they were processed through Marston and put up in Hotels never to be engaged with again because they were non people the Torys chose to ignore Even the IFS now agree that Reeves is completely right to call out the Tory's for deliberately massaging and hiding the true figures I suppose there will be some who will continue to direct their anger in different directions according to their particular preference or bias. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/29/home-office-criticised-over-woefully-understated-tory-asylum-budgetserr , so have labour solved the problem then ?
echr and labour opposed everything tried to deter the damn illegal immigrants .
all they had to do was say they were gay , didn't matter if they subsequently commited rape.
at least labor are going to build 1,500,000 houses in the next 5 years to house them , pity they haven't started yet .
There are no illegal immigrants Phil until an asylum application is made to determine if they have a legitimate claim or not - that's the Law in UK The Conservative Government Gaslighted you by saying they were illegal but refused to review an asylum application but chose instead to park them in Hotels. It's the Political equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and singing Ting-A-Ling-A-Loo An opposition Party's function is to oppose, particularly ridiculous policies as outlined above and especially the Rwanda one. An opposition has no power to stop a Government doing something stupid ECHR Charter is part of UK Law Phil, it only intervened once when the Conservative Government attempted to break UK law by sending a handful of people on a plane to Rwanda How many Houses could you build in 7 weeks Phil?
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2024 15:37:39 GMT
You can intellectualise the whole thing as much as you like but the bottom line is we shouldn't have tens of thousands of people gate crashing the country in rubber boats.
Its crippling hard pressed local councils, its an insult to people making valid applications and its extremely dangerous.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 22:25:49 GMT
You can intellectualise the whole thing as much as you like but the bottom line is we shouldn't have tens of thousands of people gate crashing the country in rubber boats. Its crippling hard pressed local councils, its an insult to people making valid applications and its extremely dangerous. Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 29, 2024 22:38:36 GMT
You can intellectualise the whole thing as much as you like but the bottom line is we shouldn't have tens of thousands of people gate crashing the country in rubber boats. Its crippling hard pressed local councils, its an insult to people making valid applications and its extremely dangerous. Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK? The question doesn’t make any sense, can you reword it please?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 23:04:15 GMT
Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK? The question doesn’t make any sense, can you reword it please? Yes i can try but i will have to requote God's in full to retain the context of my question "You can intellectualise the whole thing as much as you like but the bottom line is we shouldn't have tens of thousands of people gate crashing the country in rubber boats.
Its crippling hard pressed local councils, its an insult to people making valid applications and its extremely dangerous"
I am unaware of any Country outside of actually being in UK where an Asylum Seeker may make an application to enter the UK God's indicated in his post that he was aware of such places, perhaps you can help out if you know where they are.
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2024 23:09:49 GMT
You can intellectualise the whole thing as much as you like but the bottom line is we shouldn't have tens of thousands of people gate crashing the country in rubber boats. Its crippling hard pressed local councils, its an insult to people making valid applications and its extremely dangerous. Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK? Hopefully none, but I doubt it. NOTE: There are 8 billion people on the planet, 7 billion of them live in a despotic shit hole from which they want away.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 23:19:26 GMT
Could you tell me from which Country an Asylum Seeker can make a valid application outside UK? Hopefully none, but I doubt it. Is the correct answer as far as I'm aware So who are the Asylum Seekers you think are being insulted who are making valid claims? Edit: i replied before your edit What has this got to do with International Agreements UK has signed up to?
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Post by Gods on Aug 29, 2024 23:44:50 GMT
Hopefully none, but I doubt it. Is the correct answer as far as I'm aware So who are the Asylum Seekers you think are being insulted who are making valid claims? Edit: i replied before your edit What has this got to do with International Agreements UK has signed up to? Its equally an insult to anyone making a claim be it from Afghanistan, Hong Kong or Ukraine or looking for a work visa from the Philippines or Romania. Pitching up in a rubber dingy on the Kent coast is just not okay, but you know that.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 1:41:13 GMT
Is the correct answer as far as I'm aware So who are the Asylum Seekers you think are being insulted who are making valid claims? Edit: i replied before your edit What has this got to do with International Agreements UK has signed up to? Its equally an insult to anyone making a claim be it from Afghanistan, Hong Kong or Ukraine or looking for a work visa from the Philippines or Romania. Pitching up in a rubber dingy on the Kent coast is just not okay, but you know that. There are many thousands of Afghans who worked alongside British Troops who fought the Taliban now living in limbo as Asylum Seekers to UK temporarily in Pakistan because the UK Government has reneged on its promise to them and Pakistan Government to temporarily accept them because UK would repatriate them. They are now in fear of being sent back to Afghanistan because UK is failing to make good on its promise. Some decided to take matters into their own hands and got into small boats. .... but you know that www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67020994When the UKs lease on Hong Kong was up in 1997 a very limited number of people were issued with BN(o) Passports the alternative HKSAR passport was cheaper and was of the same value as a Travel Document In theory there could have been millions of Hong Kongers eligible for a BN(o) Visa in practice about 120K were granted .... but you know that A Refugee is a person who is fleeing a War Zone and has been granted blanket approval to go to another Country for safety but is not necessarily seeking Asylum. This is the case with Ukrainians fleeing their home Country To date 1.2M are in Germany, 1M are in Poland, 350K are in Czechia and less than 250K are in UK ....but you know that I'm not quite sure why you are conflating Work Visas for people in Philippines and Roumania and people seeking Asylum, this was my original point, you can't apply for Asylum unless you are in UK .... but you know that
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Post by tuum on Aug 30, 2024 3:06:21 GMT
Once again a deliberate conflation of 2 issues Only 3% immigrants 'land on our southern shores'- the other 97% are exactly the skilled people you speak of - or should be because they enter the country legally largely to work. They do so because (a) we have an ageing population (b) we have 11 million economically inactive people between 18-64 and (c) around 1m people Leave the UK each year. Add to that we have lower productivity than the US, Germany and France. Sort some of those issues out and we wont NEED as much immigration. Fail to sort them out and you'd better get used to it if you want people around to pay tax to fund your pension and prescriptions in old age or wipe your arse when you can't do it for yourself. But lets not - let's blame foreigners instead. I think this was partly an obvious consequence of Brexit. European immigrants were generally more productive, paid more tax etc than non-EU immigrants (and native-born Britons iirc). We lost access to EU immigrants, so that meant fewer workers and less tax money. Either you cut stuff like the NHS and pensions, or you brought in more immigrants than before to cover the costs. Voters didn't want cuts. Also the pound took a dump so the UK is less competitive for higher skilled jobs. I know when I started in the US the like-with-like pay for my position was about 10% higher in California than the UK. Now the gap is about 70%. That's just exchange rate stuff and doesn't really represent actual costs etc but when PhDs and doctors and engineers are comparing countries it's the first thing they'll see. Agree with you re. salaries. I work overseas as a contractor for a major US oil company. It is embarrassing to see the difference in terms and conditions between the US based staff and their UK based staff. US graduates are paid $80-100k on joining (I don't think the company pays signing on bonuses like some US companies do). UK graduates would be at the $50k mark. Engineer in the UK with 30 years experience about $130k. Same engineer in the US would be around $240k. Adding on the % mark ups for working overseas tops up both by another 50% excluding bonuses but the US payroll gets even more perks on top of the above. Eg.some of the US engineers I know have grandfather rights that my UK colleague doesn't get. Share options, better pension contributions. If you want to earn money there is only one country to be in. One of my Kazakh colleagues was offered a job in the UK. The people in the UK thought they were doing him a favour as if it was a great privilege. Truth is the salary on offer was only about 10% higher than he gets in Kazakhstan and he then has to pay more tax, astronomical rent and higher living costs. The UK guy was genuinely shocked when my colleague declined the offer. If the UK thinks it is getting the cream of the professional immigrant crop they are very much mistaken. USA, Australia, even the Middle East all offer way more in benefits and opportunity than the UK and Europe.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 6:23:24 GMT
I think this was partly an obvious consequence of Brexit. European immigrants were generally more productive, paid more tax etc than non-EU immigrants (and native-born Britons iirc). We lost access to EU immigrants, so that meant fewer workers and less tax money. Either you cut stuff like the NHS and pensions, or you brought in more immigrants than before to cover the costs. Voters didn't want cuts. Also the pound took a dump so the UK is less competitive for higher skilled jobs. I know when I started in the US the like-with-like pay for my position was about 10% higher in California than the UK. Now the gap is about 70%. That's just exchange rate stuff and doesn't really represent actual costs etc but when PhDs and doctors and engineers are comparing countries it's the first thing they'll see. Agree with you re. salaries. I work overseas as a contractor for a major US oil company. It is embarrassing to see the difference in terms and conditions between the US based staff and their UK based staff. US graduates are paid $80-100k on joining (I don't think the company pays signing on bonuses like some US companies do). UK graduates would be at the $50k mark. Engineer in the UK with 30 years experience about $130k. Same engineer in the US would be around $240k. Adding on the % mark ups for working overseas tops up both by another 50% excluding bonuses but the US payroll gets even more perks on top of the above. Eg.some of the US engineers I know have grandfather rights that my UK colleague doesn't get. Share options, better pension contributions. If you want to earn money there is only one country to be in. One of my Kazakh colleagues was offered a job in the UK. The people in the UK thought they were doing him a favour as if it was a great privilege. Truth is the salary on offer was only about 10% higher than he gets in Kazakhstan and he then has to pay more tax, astronomical rent and higher living costs. The UK guy was genuinely shocked when my colleague declined the offer. If the UK thinks it is getting the cream of the professional immigrant crop they are very much mistaken. USA, Australia, even the Middle East all offer way more in benefits and opportunity than the UK and Europe. All very valid points made by you, Seymour and Mtrs from lived experience In the NHS which is the biggest importer of Foreign Skilled workers there is a constant churn of Doctors and Nurses who use UK as a staging posr, who work in UK for 2/3 years have their qualifications endorsed and then move on to US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand for up to double the salaries and better conditions. Of course these opportunities are open to UK trained professionals as well and those that don't have strong family ties take the opportunity. Some people have the misguided impression that UK attracts the top talent, it doesn't far from it. If you've made the decision to emigrate why wouldn't you go to the places where you are most rewarded and using the most up to date technology www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/25/thousands-of-foreign-nurses-a-year-leave-uk-to-work-abroad
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