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Post by scfc75 on May 30, 2022 6:31:21 GMT
Oh the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth that will be going on on this board should Vale reach the championship this time next year and we go in the other direction. Things would change awfully quickly in the admittedly unlikely event that were to happen. A fair number of the SCFC fans that climbed on the bandwagon in the Premier years would likely disappear. When I was first supporting Stoke, they were lucky to get 8,000, Vale would get about the same. I hate to break it to you but there's nothing written in the stars to say that Stoke should always be above Vale. (Weren't Man City in the 3rd Division in 1998 or so?) A little less bile from our side wouldn't go amiss. What season was this please, so I can have a little check at the attendance figures? When our average was down at 8k (1986) Vale’s average was 3.5k. When Vale’s average was up around 8k (1990 to 1998) our average flitted from 11.5k at its lowest to 16k. european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/stkc.htmeuropean-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/porv.htm
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Post by sheds1862 on May 30, 2022 6:39:40 GMT
Crowd willy waving at its finest. Personally don't give a shit about crowds up the Vale.
Talking of which how many were there in Division one/premier league equivalent when we had 4000 odd against Norwich? Also we had about 7000 v Everton. Luckily the Internet didn't exist then
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Post by thevoid on May 30, 2022 6:47:20 GMT
Crowd willy waving at its finest. Personally don't give a shit about crowds up the Vale. Talking of which how many were there in Division one/premier league equivalent when we had 4000 odd against Norwich? Also we had about 7000 v Everton. Luckily the Internet didn't exist then Crowds massively dipped across the country in the 80s due to a number of factors, hooliganism, racism and poor facilities being three I remember Wolves getting about 3,000 in Division 4 when they were being mismanaged
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Post by tuum on May 30, 2022 7:02:36 GMT
I get all the opinions/arguments on the vale and the only point I can offer is in my case I honestly find it impossible to wish Small Heath well in any respect,every high profile game (yes I know not many over the last 100 years) they have been in I have wanted them to fail dismally and mainly like the poor relations they are (similar to you and them) they've delivered abject failure,but there have been some really painful memories none more so than arsenal gifting them the league cup I'm sure that was fixed ! Local rivalry is like your team ...for life ! UTV The Vale-Stoke rivalry is nowhere near the same as Sheffield-Birmingham-Manchester etc. Vale are too small to be relevant to Stoke. We have spent most of our history in the top two divisions they have spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions. They are pretty much an irrelevance to Stoke City... or should be. People on here getting all animated about the Vale are just feeding a rivalry that, in reality, only exists in some Vale supporters eyes. My brother is a Vale fan. He occasionally gets on his high horse re. Stoke. I am not sure if he genuinely dislikes SCFC or if he is just acting the goat to get a reaction from me. Either way. I don't care. I am ok if Vale are doing well but I don't measure Stoke's success by Vale's performances. If Vale were in the same division for 10 years then maybe a mutual rivalry would develop but that is never really going to happen any time soon. I can't understand why Stoke fans seem to allow Vale to get under their skin so easily. Vale are a nothing club compared to Stoke. An irrelevance. Let them have their day of glory and leave them to it. Who knows, the extra revenue from L1 may see an increase in soap sales in Burslem.
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 30, 2022 7:44:11 GMT
I fail to see how the city of Stoke on Trent benefits from Vale being promoted today? Most obvious, bigger crowds and more visiting fans mean more spending in the city. More TV income will mean higher wages and a few more staff. Then indirect, positive profile like after the result today raises awareness of the city and strengthening the club will give another boost to PVFC’s community activities, of which the Hubb Foundation may be the best of any club if we take size of revenue into account. Nothing not to like
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 8:38:58 GMT
I get all the opinions/arguments on the vale and the only point I can offer is in my case I honestly find it impossible to wish Small Heath well in any respect,every high profile game (yes I know not many over the last 100 years) they have been in I have wanted them to fail dismally and mainly like the poor relations they are (similar to you and them) they've delivered abject failure,but there have been some really painful memories none more so than arsenal gifting them the league cup I'm sure that was fixed ! Local rivalry is like your team ...for life ! UTV The Vale-Stoke rivalry is nowhere near the same as Sheffield-Birmingham-Manchester etc. Vale are too small to be relevant to Stoke. We have spent most of our history in the top two divisions they have spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions. They are pretty much an irrelevance to Stoke City... or should be. People on here getting all animated about the Vale are just feeding a rivalry that, in reality, only exists in some Vale supporters eyes. My brother is a Vale fan. He occasionally gets on his high horse re. Stoke. I am not sure if he genuinely dislikes SCFC or if he is just acting the goat to get a reaction from me. Either way. I don't care. I am ok if Vale are doing well but I don't measure Stoke's success by Vale's performances. If Vale were in the same division for 10 years then maybe a mutual rivalry would develop but that is never really going to happen any time soon. I can't understand why Stoke fans seem to allow Vale to get under their skin so easily. Vale are a nothing club compared to Stoke. An irrelevance. Let them have their day of glory and leave them to it. Who knows, the extra revenue from L1 may see an increase in soap sales in Burslem. People are acting like we’ll never meet vale in the league again. I think it’s very unlikely we drop another level but not unlikely at all that vale end up troubling the top end of league one in the relatively near future. They have good, progressive owners; a highly rated lower league manager/back room staff that are signed up for the long term; and it’s blindingly obvious they’re a happy club on an upward trajectory. Genuinely, I think they’ll get back to the championship at some point in the next 5 years. Or at least come very close. People are talking as if there’s still daylight between us but it’s theoretically possible they could be a division above us in 12 months…the era of a clear 2 division contamination zone (closer to 3 at some points) is well and truly over for the foreseeable future. You only have to look at Luton Town outperforming us this season and flirting with the premiership to realise the potential for vale to get neck and neck with us again. Vale really don’t have to grow too much to be Luton sized. And it does hurt us - SOT isn’t big enough for both clubs to be punching above their weight simultaneously. History has shown that. If they’re doing well and we’re still pottering about then their club will grow and ours will get weaker. That’s just how it is.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 30, 2022 8:43:31 GMT
The Vale-Stoke rivalry is nowhere near the same as Sheffield-Birmingham-Manchester etc. Vale are too small to be relevant to Stoke. We have spent most of our history in the top two divisions they have spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions. They are pretty much an irrelevance to Stoke City... or should be. People on here getting all animated about the Vale are just feeding a rivalry that, in reality, only exists in some Vale supporters eyes. My brother is a Vale fan. He occasionally gets on his high horse re. Stoke. I am not sure if he genuinely dislikes SCFC or if he is just acting the goat to get a reaction from me. Either way. I don't care. I am ok if Vale are doing well but I don't measure Stoke's success by Vale's performances. If Vale were in the same division for 10 years then maybe a mutual rivalry would develop but that is never really going to happen any time soon. I can't understand why Stoke fans seem to allow Vale to get under their skin so easily. Vale are a nothing club compared to Stoke. An irrelevance. Let them have their day of glory and leave them to it. Who knows, the extra revenue from L1 may see an increase in soap sales in Burslem. People are acting like we’ll never meet vale in the league again. I think it’s very unlikely we drop another level but not unlikely at all that vale end up troubling the top end of league one in the relatively near future. They have good, progressive owners; a highly rated lower league manager/back room staff that are signed up for the long term; and it’s blindingly obvious they’re a happy club on an upward trajectory. Genuinely, I think they’ll get back to the championship at some point in the next 5 years. Or at least come very close. People are talking as if there’s still daylight between us but it’s theoretically possible they could be a division above us in 12 months…the era of a clear 2 division contamination zone (closer to 3 at some points) is well and truly over for the foreseeable future. Not beyond the realms of possibility at all that we coukd be in the seem league in the next few years And for those that remember the 90s/early 2000s we dont have a great record against them, especially at home
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Post by clintonbaptiste on May 30, 2022 8:51:24 GMT
I think we need us both in the same league to rekindle any rivalry. Personally I couldn't give a shit they won or lost but most Stoke fans I spoke to on Saturday were quite pleased for the Vale.
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Post by Davef on May 30, 2022 9:11:28 GMT
They had a better average attendance than us in 1960/61. Within three seasons we had a three times bigger average attendance. What happened there? We'd spent nearly a decade bumming around in the Second Division and had finished 17th and 18th. Vale had not long won the 4th Division Championship and in 60/61 we're up towards the top end of the Third Division. We signed Matthews the following season and then won the 2nd Division title in 62/63.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2022 9:17:32 GMT
I think we need us both in the same league to rekindle any rivalry. Personally I couldn't give a shit they won or lost but most Stoke fans I spoke to on Saturday were quite pleased for the Vale. The shittest thing for us is a rivalry with Vale. It's just rubbish
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2022 9:23:10 GMT
Well done Port Vale......see you after next season?
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Post by davethebass on May 30, 2022 22:57:17 GMT
I find this totally bizarre... On a Stoke city forum there are so called Stoke city fans calling other Stoke fans knobheads etc etc just because they have a hatred for their local rivals! They just don't get it do they! It's people on a football forum calling some other people on the forum knobheads. Haha yeah bizarre, never seen the like of it. Lol
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Post by zommbee on May 31, 2022 12:44:18 GMT
Just had a look through this thread for the first time, so called Stoke City "supporters" actually wanting the Burslem lot to win games of football and even get promoted?! No matter what feeble reasons are given for doing this, you are not Stoke if you want that club to win games of football.
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Post by knype on May 31, 2022 12:47:41 GMT
Just had a look through this thread for the first time, so called Stoke City "supporters" actually wanting the Burslem lot to win games of football and even get promoted?! No matter what feeble reasons are given for doing this, you are not Stoke if you want that club to win games of football. Unfortunately its the dumbing down of supporters that is to blame, you cannot have anger, passion or hatred for another side anymore and have to wish everyone well!
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Post by Squeekster on May 31, 2022 13:07:37 GMT
Just had a look through this thread for the first time, so called Stoke City "supporters" actually wanting the Burslem lot to win games of football and even get promoted?! No matter what feeble reasons are given for doing this, you are not Stoke if you want that club to win games of football. Unfortunately its the dumbing down of supporters that is to blame, you cannot have anger, passion or hatred for another side anymore and have to wish everyone well! Not really, there is a generation of fans that used to attend both Stoke and Vale when they were at home, this rivalry is quite recent in football terms, people just don't have to hate for the sake of it, I wasn't wishing the vale to win, I'm not arsed either way however I was pleased for my Friends and family who are vale fans.
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Post by knype on May 31, 2022 13:28:02 GMT
Unfortunately its the dumbing down of supporters that is to blame, you cannot have anger, passion or hatred for another side anymore and have to wish everyone well! Not really, there is a generation of fans that used to attend both Stoke and Vale when they were at home, this rivalry is quite recent in football terms, people just don't have to hate for the sake of it, I wasn't wishing the vale to win, I'm not arsed either way however I was pleased for my Friends and family who are vale fans. That generation of fans has massively dwindled surely? My grandads generation used to do that and he would have been in his mid 90s
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Post by Squeekster on May 31, 2022 13:54:38 GMT
Not really, there is a generation of fans that used to attend both Stoke and Vale when they were at home, this rivalry is quite recent in football terms, people just don't have to hate for the sake of it, I wasn't wishing the vale to win, I'm not arsed either way however I was pleased for my Friends and family who are vale fans. That generation of fans has massively dwindled surely? My grandads generation used to do that and he would have been in his mid 90s Without doubt I was simply emphasizing that this rivalry is a relatively new thing.
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Post by Sfance on May 31, 2022 14:09:59 GMT
We’ve not all shuffled off yet.
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Post by Northy on May 31, 2022 14:15:05 GMT
Not really, there is a generation of fans that used to attend both Stoke and Vale when they were at home, this rivalry is quite recent in football terms, people just don't have to hate for the sake of it, I wasn't wishing the vale to win, I'm not arsed either way however I was pleased for my Friends and family who are vale fans. That generation of fans has massively dwindled surely? My grandads generation used to do that and he would have been in his mid 90s We used to go to watch Vale occasionally if Stoke were away in the early to mid 70's as young teenage lads, nowhere near our 90's
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Post by Squeekster on May 31, 2022 14:24:10 GMT
That generation of fans has massively dwindled surely? My grandads generation used to do that and he would have been in his mid 90s We used to go to watch Vale occasionally if Stoke were away in the early to mid 70's as young teenage lads, nowhere near our 90's To be fair so did I (been Crewe a few times when they used to play on Friday nights too), my ex brother in law is a vale fan and I worked for him on weekends at his TV shop in Kidsgrove so I went to keep him sweet. Ironically going back to the rivalry I've stood in the vale end on more than one occasion and not had any trouble what so ever in the time were matched in the same division and never had any trouble, the only real time I've seen it was at the under 23 cup match a few seasons ago.
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Post by sheds1862 on May 31, 2022 14:31:02 GMT
Fortunately I hope none of us wasted our money time and effort like our fellow supporter here
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 31, 2022 17:05:03 GMT
The Vale-Stoke rivalry is nowhere near the same as Sheffield-Birmingham-Manchester etc. Vale are too small to be relevant to Stoke. We have spent most of our history in the top two divisions they have spent most of their history in the bottom two divisions. They are pretty much an irrelevance to Stoke City... or should be. People on here getting all animated about the Vale are just feeding a rivalry that, in reality, only exists in some Vale supporters eyes. My brother is a Vale fan. He occasionally gets on his high horse re. Stoke. I am not sure if he genuinely dislikes SCFC or if he is just acting the goat to get a reaction from me. Either way. I don't care. I am ok if Vale are doing well but I don't measure Stoke's success by Vale's performances. If Vale were in the same division for 10 years then maybe a mutual rivalry would develop but that is never really going to happen any time soon. I can't understand why Stoke fans seem to allow Vale to get under their skin so easily. Vale are a nothing club compared to Stoke. An irrelevance. Let them have their day of glory and leave them to it. Who knows, the extra revenue from L1 may see an increase in soap sales in Burslem. People are acting like we’ll never meet vale in the league again. I think it’s very unlikely we drop another level but not unlikely at all that vale end up troubling the top end of league one in the relatively near future. They have good, progressive owners; a highly rated lower league manager/back room staff that are signed up for the long term; and it’s blindingly obvious they’re a happy club on an upward trajectory. Genuinely, I think they’ll get back to the championship at some point in the next 5 years. Or at least come very close. People are talking as if there’s still daylight between us but it’s theoretically possible they could be a division above us in 12 months…the era of a clear 2 division contamination zone (closer to 3 at some points) is well and truly over for the foreseeable future. You only have to look at Luton Town outperforming us this season and flirting with the premiership to realise the potential for vale to get neck and neck with us again. Vale really don’t have to grow too much to be Luton sized. And it does hurt us - SOT isn’t big enough for both clubs to be punching above their weight simultaneously. History has shown that. If they’re doing well and we’re still pottering about then their club will grow and ours will get weaker. That’s just how it is. Excellent post. They are a club on an upward trajectory whilst we are stagnating (at best). I wouldn't want to trade places with them, but we need to get our house in order after half a decade of stumbling around with no real direction. It was only a couple of years ago that we were realistically staring relegation to League One in the face prior to MoN walking through the door. The Championship is a ruthless league and if a club makes a culmination of errors then it's easy to end up stuck at the wrong end of the table. I'm not saying that we will be relegated next season (nor do I think that Vale will be promoted), but the lack of any buffer division between the two clubs does raise the possibility of us playing at the same level at some point in the future.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 6:27:56 GMT
If you see someone chatting to themselves in Burslem it's not mobile technology, it's because they're talking to the pigeons (often imaginary ones). Fail fans don't have Bluetooth but they do have Browntooth.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 1, 2022 11:30:07 GMT
That generation of fans has massively dwindled surely? My grandads generation used to do that and he would have been in his mid 90s We used to go to watch Vale occasionally if Stoke were away in the early to mid 70's as young teenage lads, nowhere near our 90's Proper football fans used to do this regularly to get their football ration every week.....a good thing it was too with no false emnity involved!
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2022 19:30:57 GMT
Couple of Fail fans down the pub seemed to think they'd put a bid in for Dom Telford. Not seen anything in the news about it
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Post by misterj on Jun 4, 2022 8:40:52 GMT
Yes you’d hate it if one of the poorest cities (educationally, economically & health wise) had a football club on the up run by local people who do great charity work and who, by being in league 1 rather than league 2, might offer hope and extra jobs, income etc to people ….. that would be awful wouldn’t it?!!!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 4, 2022 8:45:49 GMT
Yes you’d hate it if one of the poorest cities (educationally, economically & health wise) had a football club on the up run by local people who do great charity work and who, by being in league 1 rather than league 2, might offer hope and extra jobs, income etc to people ….. that would be awful wouldn’t it?!!! I don’t get the if one does well the other suffers thing. I quite enjoyed the times we were at the same level and can’t see that it adversely affected either club.
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Post by misterj on Jun 4, 2022 8:46:39 GMT
Agree
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Post by a on Jun 4, 2022 8:54:15 GMT
I’m surprised this thread is still going. The whole point of it was to “watch them cock it up” which they didn’t.
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Post by Gods on Jun 4, 2022 9:01:35 GMT
I’m surprised this thread is still going. The whole point of it was to “watch them cock it up” which they didn’t. Well it's still going because you just pushed it back to the top of the board
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