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Post by moon on Mar 9, 2021 11:10:33 GMT
We should be looking to reintegrate some of these players rather than just wash his hands of them, a manager gets paid to handle the rough with the smooth. Only if they are worthy of reintegrating, the players that were banging on MON's door demanding to leave when we was just days into the job don't deserve the opportunity to play for Stoke City, good riddance to them. If there were any diamonds amongst them then they would've found a permanent transfer elsewhere by now. I don't want to see them back at Stoke City, we are a club on the up again despite recent setbacks, MON is building a team of players with a good attitude who want to be here and we don't need bad eggs in there hindering our progress.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 11:20:55 GMT
We should be looking to reintegrate some of these players rather than just wash his hands of them, a manager gets paid to handle the rough with the smooth. Only if they are worthy of reintegrating, the players that were banging on MON's door demanding to leave when we was just days into the job don't deserve the opportunity to play for Stoke City, good riddance to them. If there were any diamonds amongst them then they would've found a permanent transfer elsewhere by now. I don't want to see them back at Stoke City, we are a club on the up again despite recent setbacks, MON is building a team of players with a good attitude who want to be here and we don't need bad eggs in there hindering our progress. Well there hasn't been much progress over the past few months. Good attitude alone won't get you results you only have to look at Brown, Tymon, TOB, Thompson, Mikel, Matondo etc to see that. A good manager should be able to build relationships with players and pull them from the brink and be able to get them to buy into the system. We shouldn't and can't have a situation where we have all those players put on the scrap heap whilst costing us big money in the process. He needs to find a way of bringing 2 or 3 of them back into the fold this summer.
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 9, 2021 11:45:38 GMT
Afobe got a five-year deal!!? Absolute insanity. Even if we had got promoted, the likes of him and Ince would never have been good enough to be first teamers in the Premier League.
Those few months after relegation really were such a disaster. Far from all being on Rowett either - pretty certain the new deals for Allen and Bauer were agreed before he arrived (and undoubtedly will have caused a lot of upset among other squad members who’d had big pay cuts).
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 9, 2021 11:59:56 GMT
I honestly think we should offload both Tymon and Brown as they don't have enough quality on the ball. They are both hard workers with good pace, but in my opinion that's simply not enough if we want to be a serious promotion candidate. Neither are good enough to be first choice players, but they are both young, versatile and should hopefully improve. Yes, they are both still young, but not exactly spring chickens either!
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2021 12:11:18 GMT
We should be looking to reintegrate some of these players rather than just wash his hands of them, a manager gets paid to handle the rough with the smooth. Only if they are worthy of reintegrating, the players that were banging on MON's door demanding to leave when we was just days into the job don't deserve the opportunity to play for Stoke City, good riddance to them. If there were any diamonds amongst them then they would've found a permanent transfer elsewhere by now. I don't want to see them back at Stoke City, we are a club on the up again despite recent setbacks, MON is building a team of players with a good attitude who want to be here and we don't need bad eggs in there hindering our progress. day 1 never mind days we had a game the day after,adrift at bottom of the table Wimmer,Bauer,Etebo & Badou first & seemingly only thought was to bang on managers door asking to leave - could have waited till the Monday surely? none should play for the club ever again although to be fair to Wimmer & Bauer apparently been a good pro's since then Ince although I never want to see him play for Stoke again as far as I'm aware hasn't been an issue off the pitch don't believe Afobe is a problem either (off the pitch just rubbish on it) Lyndsey,Gregory,Vokes all good pro's but pretty obvious the manager would get rid of all of them if he could
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 9, 2021 12:11:56 GMT
Only if they are worthy of reintegrating, the players that were banging on MON's door demanding to leave when we was just days into the job don't deserve the opportunity to play for Stoke City, good riddance to them. If there were any diamonds amongst them then they would've found a permanent transfer elsewhere by now. I don't want to see them back at Stoke City, we are a club on the up again despite recent setbacks, MON is building a team of players with a good attitude who want to be here and we don't need bad eggs in there hindering our progress. Well there hasn't been much progress over the past few months. Good attitude alone won't get you results you only have to look at Brown, Tymon, TOB, Thompson, Mikel, Matondo etc to see that. A good manager should be able to build relationships with players and pull them from the brink and be able to get them to buy into the system. We shouldn't and can't have a situation where we have all those players put on the scrap heap whilst costing us big money in the process. He needs to find a way of bringing 2 or 3 of them back into the fold this summer. Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad?
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2021 12:14:02 GMT
Well there hasn't been much progress over the past few months. Good attitude alone won't get you results you only have to look at Brown, Tymon, TOB, Thompson, Mikel, Matondo etc to see that. A good manager should be able to build relationships with players and pull them from the brink and be able to get them to buy into the system. We shouldn't and can't have a situation where we have all those players put on the scrap heap whilst costing us big money in the process. He needs to find a way of bringing 2 or 3 of them back into the fold this summer. Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Edwards (providing he has stopped turning up pissed at training) & Sorrensson none of the others want to be here
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 12:46:39 GMT
Well there hasn't been much progress over the past few months. Good attitude alone won't get you results you only have to look at Brown, Tymon, TOB, Thompson, Mikel, Matondo etc to see that. A good manager should be able to build relationships with players and pull them from the brink and be able to get them to buy into the system. We shouldn't and can't have a situation where we have all those players put on the scrap heap whilst costing us big money in the process. He needs to find a way of bringing 2 or 3 of them back into the fold this summer. Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 9, 2021 16:11:34 GMT
Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager. The only one I’d agree with is there is Afobe. Time away from the team often creates an illusion that these players were better than they actually are.
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Post by lordb on Mar 9, 2021 16:16:05 GMT
Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager. irrelevant if they are any good or not they don't want to be herewe absolutely cannot afford to have players who don't give a shit & in Woods case yes he's worse than all our other midfielders
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Post by bolders on Mar 9, 2021 16:38:51 GMT
Etebo offered nothing in the games he played for us
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Post by moon on Mar 9, 2021 17:02:54 GMT
Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager. Etebo - was okay, he showed glimpses but he doesn't want to be here unfortunately.
Woods - I've not really seen enough of him but the Millwall fans don't seem convinced: millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/woods.47063/ "He cant run, cant tackle, cant head a ball. A liability in our poor midfield.", he'd probably do a better job than most of our midfield have this season though
Afobe - I'd have him up front ahead of Brown and Vokes, he deserves another chance if he really wants another chance here
Bauer - I can't see a way back for him, I definitely don't want to see us play with wing backs again
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 9, 2021 21:53:15 GMT
But aren't we forgetting the fact that (a) the club needs to create wage headroom, and (b) MON will want to create his own team?
Accommodating the unwanted is just not an option.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
But aren't we forgetting the fact that (a) the club needs to create wage headroom, and (b) MON will want to create his own team? Accommodating the unwanted is just not an option. The players he's bringing in aren't any better than the players which are unwanted though. Plus the clubs that are loaning these players either aren't paying enough of their wages or don't have any intention of buying them. Its all just pointless.
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Post by dioufsboots on Mar 10, 2021 0:13:32 GMT
But aren't we forgetting the fact that (a) the club needs to create wage headroom, and (b) MON will want to create his own team? Accommodating the unwanted is just not an option. The players he's bringing in aren't any better than the players which are unwanted though. Plus the clubs that are loaning these players either aren't paying enough of their wages or don't have any intention of buying them. Its all just pointless. Brown over Ince Thompson over woods and rnd over Bruno tbh, not sure with Mikel maybe Mikel over nello just about
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 13:13:47 GMT
Which players currently out on loan would you like to see us reintegrate back into the squad? Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager. Etebo totally agree with
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Post by Northy on Mar 10, 2021 14:55:44 GMT
Etebo - he's better than any of our current midfielders. His stock has fallen and he'll know he isn't going to get a better offer elsewhere in the summer. Better than Thompson. Woods - Is he really any worse than Mikel? He's certainly more mobile and a lot younger. Afobe - he wanted a year away to give him a change of scenery after the injury and death of his child. He isn't going to get a better gig and we're not going to get any better with FFP restrictions. Better than Brown and Vokes up top. Bauer - decent cover down the right hand side and a good player for when we play 3 at the back. I'd like to see him being given a chance in this league under a different manager. Etebo - was okay, he showed glimpses but he doesn't want to be here unfortunately. Woods - I've not really seen enough of him but the Millwall fans don't seem convinced: millwall-forum.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/woods.47063/ "He cant run, cant tackle, cant head a ball. A liability in our poor midfield.", he'd probably do a better job than most of our midfield have this season though Afobe - I'd have him up front ahead of Brown and Vokes, he deserves another chance if he really wants another chance here Bauer - I can't see a way back for him, I definitely don't want to see us play with wing backs again
According to this, Bauer hasn't played a minute yet, not sure how accurate it is, but it is up to date with the results uk.soccerway.com/players/moritz-bauer/195355/
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Post by yyy on Mar 11, 2021 21:43:02 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 11, 2021 21:50:35 GMT
“I think the gaffer has already said it’s probably a difficult transfer to do in terms of numbers and whatnot" “We’ll see what happens, I’m sure where there’s a will there’s a way" "numbers and whatnot" - Interesting way of saying "I'm on silly money at Stoke so want to squeeze every pound I can out of that deal and aren't really prepared to miss out financially" Can't really blame him - but let's hope there is a will and a way for him to go permanently Dread to think what wage he's on here - but at least he's only got 12 months of it left. You'd think it'd be way more than Millwall are prepared to pay him on any long-term deal And you could say that about about 10 others of ours, which is why we're in this terrible mess.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2021 22:22:21 GMT
“I think the gaffer has already said it’s probably a difficult transfer to do in terms of numbers and whatnot" “We’ll see what happens, I’m sure where there’s a will there’s a way" "numbers and whatnot" - Interesting way of saying "I'm on silly money at Stoke so want to squeeze every pound I can out of that deal and aren't really prepared to miss out financially" Can't really blame him - but let's hope there is a will and a way for him to go permanently Dread to think what wage he's on here - but at least he's only got 12 months of it left. You'd think it'd be way more than Millwall are prepared to pay him on any long-term deal And you could say that about about 10 others of ours, which is why we're in this terrible mess. I can see a scenario developing with a few of them whereby we offer some form of severance pay in the hope of moving them on quickly with twelve months left of their deals.
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Post by lordb on Mar 11, 2021 22:49:41 GMT
“I think the gaffer has already said it’s probably a difficult transfer to do in terms of numbers and whatnot" “We’ll see what happens, I’m sure where there’s a will there’s a way" "numbers and whatnot" - Interesting way of saying "I'm on silly money at Stoke so want to squeeze every pound I can out of that deal and aren't really prepared to miss out financially" Can't really blame him - but let's hope there is a will and a way for him to go permanently Dread to think what wage he's on here - but at least he's only got 12 months of it left. You'd think it'd be way more than Millwall are prepared to pay him on any long-term deal And you could say that about about 10 others of ours, which is why we're in this terrible mess. I can see a scenario developing with a few of them whereby we offer some form of severance pay in the hope of moving them on quickly with twelve months left of their deals. Think that kind of thing would happen around January transfer window i.e. 6 months or so before end of contracts
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2021 23:19:58 GMT
I think that anyone offered a severance deal, whether in June or next Jan, will look at the labour market for footballers before making a decision. Given that non playing footballers usually find it difficult to get a deal, I would expect players to run down their contracts and then if necessary take a pay as you play deal.
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Post by yyy on Mar 13, 2021 6:14:41 GMT
“I think the gaffer has already said it’s probably a difficult transfer to do in terms of numbers and whatnot" “We’ll see what happens, I’m sure where there’s a will there’s a way" "numbers and whatnot" - Interesting way of saying "I'm on silly money at Stoke so want to squeeze every pound I can out of that deal and aren't really prepared to miss out financially" Can't really blame him - but let's hope there is a will and a way for him to go permanently Dread to think what wage he's on here - but at least he's only got 12 months of it left. You'd think it'd be way more than Millwall are prepared to pay him on any long-term deal And you could say that about about 10 others of ours, which is why we're in this terrible mess. A right mess, hopefully with twelve months on his contract he will take a pay cut for a longer contract so he can continue to play football reguarly. A bit of common sense is needed from both parties to sort this out, a meet in the middle scenario would be ideal
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 13, 2021 7:00:44 GMT
“I think the gaffer has already said it’s probably a difficult transfer to do in terms of numbers and whatnot" “We’ll see what happens, I’m sure where there’s a will there’s a way" "numbers and whatnot" - Interesting way of saying "I'm on silly money at Stoke so want to squeeze every pound I can out of that deal and aren't really prepared to miss out financially" Can't really blame him - but let's hope there is a will and a way for him to go permanently Dread to think what wage he's on here - but at least he's only got 12 months of it left. You'd think it'd be way more than Millwall are prepared to pay him on any long-term deal And you could say that about about 10 others of ours, which is why we're in this terrible mess. He'll be on top end Championship money. Circa 20-25k.
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