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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 18:25:08 GMT
The younger ones might see it that way, but I’d expect Tymon to get another year and we will see Thompson offered a new deal. The older ones are more likely to sulk and down tools. If we get to offering Tymon another year then we really are in the shit. He’s not the best but at least he’s versatile and seems to have a decent attitude.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 8, 2021 18:27:40 GMT
If we get to offering Tymon another year then we really are in the shit. He’s not the best but at least he’s versatile and seems to have a decent attitude. We have enough players like that. We need to be careful who we're giving contracts to and wasting precious FFP headroom.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 8, 2021 20:05:17 GMT
I'm still hanging on to the (increasingly unlikely perhaps) hope that Tymon can reproduce that pace and crossing ability that we saw in the final 15 minutes of that game at the City Ground at the end of last season.
Could this yet happen? Come on coaches, earn your money.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 8, 2021 21:05:44 GMT
I'm still hanging on to the (increasingly unlikely perhaps) hope that Tymon can reproduce that pace and crossing ability that we saw in the final 15 minutes of that game at the City Ground at the end of last season. Could this yet happen? Come on coaches, earn your money. I honestly think we should offload both Tymon and Brown as they don't have enough quality on the ball. They are both hard workers with good pace, but in my opinion that's simply not enough if we want to be a serious promotion candidate.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 21:11:27 GMT
I'm still hanging on to the (increasingly unlikely perhaps) hope that Tymon can reproduce that pace and crossing ability that we saw in the final 15 minutes of that game at the City Ground at the end of last season. Could this yet happen? Come on coaches, earn your money. I honestly think we should offload both Tymon and Brown as they don't have enough quality on the ball. They are both hard workers with good pace, but in my opinion that's simply not enough if we want to be a serious promotion candidate. Neither are good enough to be first choice players, but they are both young, versatile and should hopefully improve.
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Post by independent on Mar 8, 2021 22:09:25 GMT
I thought it was more like 31 than 21. As far as I can tell the following players contracts end in June 2022:
Afobe BMI Collins Edwards Gregory Lindsay Sorensen Tymon
Allen Brown Clucas Etebo Gunn McClean Souttar Vokes
Batth Bursik Davies Fletcher Ince Ndiaye Thompson TOB
Bauer Campbell Fox Doughty Powell Smith Wimmer Woods
Blondie
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 22:15:29 GMT
I thought it was more like 31 than 21. As far as I can tell the following players contracts end in June 2022: Afobe BMI Collins Edwards Gregory Lindsay Sorensen Tymon Allen Brown Clucas Etebo Gunn McClean Souttar Vokes Batth Bursik Davies Fletcher Ince Ndiaye Thompson TOB Bauer Campbell Fox Doughty Powell Smith Wimmer Woods Blondie Souttar and Blondie both recently signed extensions to their current deals. Brown is only six months into a four year contract, and Edwards, Bursik, Collins and Campbell are under contract until 2024. Afobe signed a five year contract when he joined in 2018 so he’s got two years left, alongside Bauer (quite unbelievably). Doughty has only just joined the club so I don’t see why he would be out of contract next year?
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Post by independent on Mar 8, 2021 22:26:40 GMT
Sorry ,I copied it from a previous post of mine. I should have said that we are stuck with these players until at least June 2022.
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Post by independent on Mar 8, 2021 22:35:54 GMT
In other words we are going to be down £6 million (Parachute Payment) income next year and unable to save money on these players contracts.Assuming Ryan leaving saves us £2 million a year. We will either have to make up the other £4 million by: 1. Savings on other players salaries. 2. Selling some players. 3. Getting clubs who are loaning our players to pay a bit more of their wages. It's most likely to be a combination of the above. Remember this is before we make any signings to strengthen the team. If they are going to do away with FFP I wish they would do it quickly.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 22:37:46 GMT
In other words we are going to be down £6 million (Parachute Payment) income next year and unable to save money on these players contracts.Assuming Ryan leaving saves us £2 million a year. We will either have to make up the other £4 million by: 1. Savings on other players salaries. 2. Selling some players. 3. Getting clubs who are loaning our players to pay a bit more of their wages. It's most likely to be a combination of the above. Remember this is before we make any signings to strengthen the team. If they are going to do away with FFP I wish they would do it quickly. Yep, it’s a very perilous situation.
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Post by bolders on Mar 8, 2021 22:43:33 GMT
I thought it was more like 31 than 21. As far as I can tell the following players contracts end in June 2022: Afobe BMI Collins Edwards Gregory Lindsay Sorensen TymonAllen Brown Clucas Etebo Gunn McClean Vokes Batth Bursik Davies Fletcher Ince Ndiaye Thompson TOBBauer Campbell Fox Doughty Powell Smith Wimmer Woods Those in bold id keep to varying degrees
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Post by independent on Mar 8, 2021 22:44:57 GMT
I just hope that MON has managed to stash a few quid on the sly, to help us next year.
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Post by independent on Mar 8, 2021 22:55:16 GMT
Who we can keep may be decided by who we can sell. I don't know whether it is possible to defer some of the wages of the oldest players by giving them an extra years contract at a reduced salary for the 2 seasons. It would take some ingenuity to devise a scheme that would work for us. Some players may find it attractive, as at seasons end there are going to be a hell of a lot of unemployed footballers and the oldest players may realise that their chances of getting a contract elsewhere are nil.
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Post by hardcastle on Mar 9, 2021 8:00:13 GMT
Surely the flaw in this suggestion is the number of bodies hanging around Clayton Wood getting no or little football. People MON doesn't want need to be away from the club so he can concentrate on the 24/25 he wants.
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 9, 2021 9:00:41 GMT
I'm hoping that a lot of the one year left gang in the summer can finally be moved on as clubs may be willing to take a chance at cut price deals.
Clucas, Allen, BMI, Gregory, Ince, Batth, Lindsay, Woods and maybe even McClean could/should attract interest as they move in to their final years and we should be actively looking to sell imo.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 9, 2021 9:02:02 GMT
21 Cousins (sounds like he'll be off) Chester, Mikel (expected to sign for another year)
At least there's a chance of shifting some of this lot with them entering their final year.
22 Davies (wouldn't be a surprise if he left in the summer? MON's made the call in Gunn's favour and that seems to have pretty much decided the day he was brought in) Gunn (will have 1 more year left on Soton deal at end of next season, so what happens then depends how well he's done here over next 18 months?)
Woods (worst case he'll be loaned out to Millwall again. Rowett loves him for some reason) Lindsay (got to hope for permanent PNE move)
BMI (doesn't sound like he's playing great, but must be chance of Alkmaar move over summer?) Wimmer (no idea? Small chance of Karlsruhe getting promoted. But whether they'd even buy him then is questionable? Not starting every week)
Ndiaye (his Saudi team look like getting relegated, so can't see them loaning him again next year, but there will be a taker of some kind) Ince (not pulling up any trees at Luton. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere)
Gregory (not pulling up any trees at Derby. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere)
Vokes (counting down the days until expiry, but no chance of anyone taking him 'til then?) Powell (the only urgent extension for the summer)
Smith, Batth, Allen, Clucas, McClean (small chance of extension but also chance of being sold over summer or just letting them see contract out, then leaving?)
Thompson, Tymon (hard to predict. Wouldn't think an extension is guaranteed in either case, but possible)
Fletcher (will almost certainly leave at end of next season as he'll be 35 and we'll have squeezed everything we can from him)
23 Bursik (is sitting on our bench as No.2 what he needs at his age? Surely he needs lots of games. So hard to work out what the plan is for him and Davies)
Bauer (No idea. 2 more seasons after this one for him and Afobe must bring MON out in cold sweats on a nightly basis. Just got to hope he at least gets a few games in Russia to remind everyone he exists)
Fox, TOB
Etebo (bit of resurgence in Turkey but on bench again at weekend. Could really do with a sale this summer) Afobe (God only knows)
24 Edwards, Collins Campbell
25 Souttar
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 9, 2021 9:07:24 GMT
21Cousins (sounds like he'll be off) Chester, Mikel (expected to sign for another year) At least there's a chance of shifting some of this lot with them entering their final year. 22Davies (wouldn't be a surprise if he left in the summer? MON's made the call in Gunn's favour and that seems to have pretty much decided the day he was brought in) Gunn (will have 1 more year left on Soton deal at end of next season, so what happens then depends how well he's done here over next 18 months?) Woods (worst case he'll be loaned out to Millwall again. Rowett loves him for some reason) Lindsay (got to hope for permanent PNE move) BMI (doesn't sound like he's playing great, but must be chance of Alkmaar move over summer?) Wimmer (no idea? Small chance of Karlsruhe getting promoted. But whether they'd even buy him then is questionable? Not starting every week) Ndiaye (his Saudi team look like getting relegated, so can't see them loaning him again next year, but there will be a taker of some kind) Ince (not pulling up any trees at Luton. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere) Gregory (not pulling up any trees at Derby. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere) Vokes (counting down the days until expiry, but no chance of anyone taking him 'til then?) Powell (the only urgent extension for the summer) Smith, Batth, Allen, Clucas, McClean (small chance of extension but also chance of being sold over summer or just letting them see contract out, then leaving?) Thompson, Tymon (hard to predict. Wouldn't think an extension is guaranteed in either case, but possible) Fletcher (will almost certainly leave at end of next season as he'll be 35 and we'll have squeezed everything we can from him) 23Bursik (is sitting on our bench as No.2 what he needs at his age? Surely he needs lots of games. So hard to work out what the plan is for him and Davies) Bauer (No idea. 2 more seasons after this one for him and Afobe must bring MON out in cold sweats on a nightly basis. Just got to hope he at least gets a few games in Russia to remind everyone he exists) Fox, TOB Etebo (bit of resurgence in Turkey but on bench again at weekend. Could really do with a sale this summer) Afobe (God only knows) 24Edwards, Collins Campbell 25Souttar I'd honestly love to see us sell Clucas and Allen in the summer, both are the wrong side of 30 and are showing signs they're past their best already. The wages could be spent much better and we could actually begin to rebuild the midfield.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 9, 2021 9:12:28 GMT
I'm hoping that a lot of the one year left gang in the summer can finally be moved on as clubs may be willing to take a chance at cut price deals. Clucas, Allen, BMI, Gregory, Ince, Batth, Lindsay, Woods and maybe even McClean could/should attract interest as they move in to their final years and we should be actively looking to sell imo. yes for us now there is less to worry about, if they staff we bear the costs for the last season, if they leave there is no additional impact on FFP, players may be willing to be more flexible for a 2-3 year deal somewhere else. Unlikely Allen, Bruno and Clucas on their high wages though.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 9, 2021 9:15:11 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 9, 2021 9:20:02 GMT
In other words we are going to be down £6 million (Parachute Payment) income next year and unable to save money on these players contracts.Assuming Ryan leaving saves us £2 million a year. We will either have to make up the other £4 million by: 1. Savings on other players salaries. 2. Selling some players. 3. Getting clubs who are loaning our players to pay a bit more of their wages. It's most likely to be a combination of the above. Remember this is before we make any signings to strengthen the team. If they are going to do away with FFP I wish they would do it quickly. Why £6 million for FFP? It should be £15 -20 million and even if it is lower in practice due to Covid, we will be using the higher value in our FFP calculations for this season. Our income next season will be around £20 million, £25 million tops if we do well in the league and our commercial income recovers. The owners can put in £13 million, so assume we have £35 million to spend. With at least £15 million as a charge on the value of player contracts, largely Rowett and Jones, we will have about £15 million to spend on wages. The only hope is we are able to argue for a huge Covid write off on player values and take a large write off. To do anything significant on new players next season we will have to sell a valuable asset
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 9, 2021 9:21:03 GMT
21Cousins (sounds like he'll be off) Chester, Mikel (expected to sign for another year) At least there's a chance of shifting some of this lot with them entering their final year. 22Davies (wouldn't be a surprise if he left in the summer? MON's made the call in Gunn's favour and that seems to have pretty much decided the day he was brought in) Gunn (will have 1 more year left on Soton deal at end of next season, so what happens then depends how well he's done here over next 18 months?) Woods (worst case he'll be loaned out to Millwall again. Rowett loves him for some reason) Lindsay (got to hope for permanent PNE move) BMI (doesn't sound like he's playing great, but must be chance of Alkmaar move over summer?) Wimmer (no idea? Small chance of Karlsruhe getting promoted. But whether they'd even buy him then is questionable? Not starting every week) Ndiaye (his Saudi team look like getting relegated, so can't see them loaning him again next year, but there will be a taker of some kind) Ince (not pulling up any trees at Luton. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere) Gregory (not pulling up any trees at Derby. No idea, but won't play for us again. At worst, a loan somewhere) Vokes (counting down the days until expiry, but no chance of anyone taking him 'til then?) Powell (the only urgent extension for the summer) Smith, Batth, Allen, Clucas, McClean (small chance of extension but also chance of being sold over summer or just letting them see contract out, then leaving?) Thompson, Tymon (hard to predict. Wouldn't think an extension is guaranteed in either case, but possible) Fletcher (will almost certainly leave at end of next season as he'll be 35 and we'll have squeezed everything we can from him) 23Bursik (is sitting on our bench as No.2 what he needs at his age? Surely he needs lots of games. So hard to work out what the plan is for him and Davies) Bauer (No idea. 2 more seasons after this one for him and Afobe must bring MON out in cold sweats on a nightly basis. Just got to hope he at least gets a few games in Russia to remind everyone he exists) Fox, TOB Etebo (bit of resurgence in Turkey but on bench again at weekend. Could really do with a sale this summer) Afobe (God only knows) 24Edwards, Collins Campbell 25Souttar I'd honestly love to see us sell Clucas and Allen in the summer, both are the wrong side of 30 and are showing signs they're past their best already. The wages could be spent much better and we could actually begin to rebuild the midfield. 100%, 1 needs to be sold as a minimum to allow us more wriggle room in the transfer market. Both would be ideal if we could persuade someone like Mowatt to join but there will be a queue for him so can't see it.......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 9, 2021 9:22:33 GMT
That interview will get the season tickets flying over the counter
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Post by apb1 on Mar 9, 2021 9:48:10 GMT
That interview will get the season tickets flying over the counter It's like a first world war general watching cavalry cut to pieces by machine guns and calling for more horses to be brought over to Flanders. Chester I can just about live with as he's less prone to a massive balls up than he used to be, but Mikel is mystifying. I guess that having boxed ourselves in with a player-decided option for an extra year, we have to sound positive. But why does he play him every sodding game?
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Post by LGH87 on Mar 9, 2021 9:51:54 GMT
That interview will get the season tickets flying over the counter It's like a first world war general watching cavalry cut to pieces by machine guns and calling for more horses to be brought over to Flanders. Chester I can just about live with as he's less prone to a massive balls up than he used to be, but Mikel is mystifying. I guess that having boxed ourselves in with a player-decided option for an extra year, we have to sound positive. But why does he play him every sodding game? If Mikel was used sparingly like Diao was, I'd have no qualms about it whatsoever. However it seems MON can't not only help playing him but playing him for the full 90 too! He's only be brought off twice all season and for a player whose legs have clearly been left in the last decade, that is poor management.
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Post by bolders on Mar 9, 2021 9:52:43 GMT
Wasn’t Ndiaye an 18 month loan?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 10:03:34 GMT
Wasn’t Ndiaye an 18 month loan? They have an option for another, so make of that what you will.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 9, 2021 10:08:48 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 9, 2021 10:14:13 GMT
Wake me up in a year and I'll see how we're doing and who's in the side, before deciding whether or not to sleep again.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 9, 2021 10:18:11 GMT
Hopefully they're ridiculously rich and just want him. We can but hope.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 9, 2021 11:03:56 GMT
We should be looking to reintegrate some of these players rather than just wash his hands of them, a manager gets paid to handle the rough with the smooth.
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