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Post by mickstupp on Mar 6, 2021 12:17:20 GMT
Nothing has been decided yet. They’ve both played enough games already this season to trigger a second year, if they choose to take it or not is down to Chester and Mikel to decide. They might both get better offers and go elsewhere. I might win the lottery, who the hell is going to take these pair on the money our CEO has them on. How much money are they on? I see your getting your knickers in a twist over other people’s wages again....
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 12:22:55 GMT
I might win the lottery, who the hell is going to take these pair on the money our CEO has them on. How much money are they on? I see your getting your knickers in a twist over other people’s wages again.... £780,000 a year each, do you believe that is value for money in the position we are in with FFP ?
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 6, 2021 12:24:23 GMT
How much money are they on? I see your getting your knickers in a twist over other people’s wages again.... £780,000 a year each, do you believe that is value for money in the position we are in with FFP ? I so wish we could sing a tony scholes out every game regardless of our results on the pitch. He is the worst economic plague our club is burdened with, regardless of the playing staff.
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Post by withnall on Mar 6, 2021 12:27:07 GMT
Tiny Schools?
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Post by crowey on Mar 6, 2021 12:34:47 GMT
You’ll be highly disappointed. I think it’s just Chester, Mikel and Cousins. ..... shit, we actually need to keep (and play) Cousins
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 6, 2021 12:35:23 GMT
How much money are they on? I see your getting your knickers in a twist over other people’s wages again.... £780,000 a year each, do you believe that is value for money in the position we are in with FFP ? I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spend their money. It’s them playing the bills.
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Post by crowey on Mar 6, 2021 12:37:46 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 12:39:42 GMT
£780,000 a year each, do you believe that is value for money in the position we are in with FFP ? I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. Not heard about the implications of breaking the FFP rules I take it ?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 6, 2021 13:09:52 GMT
I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. Not heard about the implications of breaking the FFP rules I take it ? Maybe you should arrange a protest and force the owners to sell the club?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 6, 2021 13:29:18 GMT
Yeah, you'd definitely think so. 34 next month, and looks it now. He's got quality on the ball, but even when he looks okay, his performance falls off a cliff late on. I'd like to know if we've got the option or the player. If it's us, it's pretty tough to make the argument that the best way of spending £750k+ is giving him another year And ,if it's him, would he like to spend his last year as a pro as (hopefully) a fringe player for us? He must be a multi-millionaire, so money may not be everything for him. He could get a decent deal in the sun somewhere if he wants to play on for one more year - and actually play We desperately need freshening up in midfield - and if JOM, Allen and Clucas are all going to be here along with Thompson, it's harder to see where it may come, especially with seemingly good options like Mowatt and Rothwell looking like really good peak-years Bosmans I dread to think what our midfield's going to be like with another year in the legs of Mikel, allen and Clucas. Hideous I imagine. Tbh, I can't believe they negativity about Clucas. Last season along with Powell and Campbell he was superb, scored goals, worked hard. At this level when fit he's a match winner. He needs a holder alongside him. A midfield of him with Cousins, Powell in front doing what he does, would be very good in this division. Clucas deserved a run of games but along with Cousins has been pushed to the margins in favor of Allen and Mikkel. I totally back the manager but he's got it wrong in selecting Allen and Mikkel
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Post by tosh on Mar 6, 2021 13:43:09 GMT
£780,000 a year each, do you believe that is value for money in the position we are in with FFP ? I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 13:49:08 GMT
I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. Simple isn't it yet seems to be over some peoples heads, the more that comes out of the overall spending budget the less we can spend elsewhere, we are hamstringing ourselves even further with over paid over the hill journeymen.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 6, 2021 13:57:01 GMT
The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. Simple isn't it yet seems to be over some peoples heads, the more that comes out of the overall spending budget the less we can spend elsewhere, we are hamstringing ourselves even further with over paid over the hill journeymen. You can post about it twenty thousand times but there is nothing you can do about it.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 6, 2021 13:57:54 GMT
I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. Yes we all know that. It’s the constant, non stop bleating that’s annoying. It’s pointless.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 6, 2021 14:09:49 GMT
I just don’t understand why you are so obsessed with how a multi billionaire family choose to spent their money. It’s them playing the bills. The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. No they don’t. The owners are putting £13 million a season in.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 6, 2021 14:12:08 GMT
The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. No they don’t. The owners are putting £13 million a season in. They may well be however they still have to adhere to FFP regulations.
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Post by theonlooker on Mar 6, 2021 14:13:00 GMT
The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. No they don’t. The owners are putting £13 million a season in. Where is that 13M a season going, because it sure as hell isn't on the pitch!?
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Post by bolders on Mar 6, 2021 14:15:16 GMT
I hope we will keep Cousins, he is at least great back up, but has done really well in games he has started too. I think AZ would like to have Indi for another year as he has done well there. £1.37m is all that is needed to buy him outWill Galatarasay buy Etebo? Certainly not for 7.5 Euros, but maybe for 2.5 Euros? I think that will be enough without getting into trouble with FFP? £2.35M is needed for them to buy him out for us to break even on FFPAfobe will not get another season at Trabzonspor and will be back. Lindsay will go to Preston for around £1M I think. Ince will be back. Wimmer will be back. Bauer will be back. Badou will hopefully stay in Dubai, but his club will go down so time will tell. I think Edwards will stay in the US. Sørensen might come back or will be easy to send out on loan again. Woods will hopefully stay at Millwall. £1.64m is needed to buy him out millwall dont usually much most they have spent on a player in 10 years is £900KGregory will be back I think, but shouldn't be too difficult to offload. This will limit our chance to upgrade a lot, but we must bring in another striker!
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Post by tosh on Mar 6, 2021 14:18:20 GMT
The club is paying the wages, but they have to all come out of the club’s income, and therefore, under FFP rules, the club can’t spend that money on better value players. No they don’t. The owners are putting £13 million a season in. Ok. I oversimplified. After spending its income, the club can lose £13M per season as long as the owner injects capital. It doesn’t change the fact that there is a limit on spending and the club’s outlay on those wages therefore is not available to spend elsewhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 6, 2021 17:55:52 GMT
I hope we will keep Cousins, he is at least great back up, but has done really well in games he has started too. I think AZ would like to have Indi for another year as he has done well there. £1.37m is all that is needed to buy him outWill Galatarasay buy Etebo? Certainly not for 7.5 Euros, but maybe for 2.5 Euros? I think that will be enough without getting into trouble with FFP? £2.35M is needed for them to buy him out for us to break even on FFPAfobe will not get another season at Trabzonspor and will be back. Lindsay will go to Preston for around £1M I think. Ince will be back. Wimmer will be back. Bauer will be back. Badou will hopefully stay in Dubai, but his club will go down so time will tell. I think Edwards will stay in the US. Sørensen might come back or will be easy to send out on loan again. Woods will hopefully stay at Millwall. £1.64m is needed to buy him out millwall dont usually much most they have spent on a player in 10 years is £900KGregory will be back I think, but shouldn't be too difficult to offload. This will limit our chance to upgrade a lot, but we must bring in another striker! Not unrealistic to offload those 3 then!
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 6, 2021 23:49:41 GMT
Sorry auto correct fucked up and I don't have time to proof read with the daughter demanding my undivided attention
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Post by madnellie on Mar 7, 2021 1:03:43 GMT
What is this? A centre for ants? The building has to be at least three times bigger than this!
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Post by generationex on Mar 7, 2021 1:32:03 GMT
No they don’t. The owners are putting £13 million a season in. Where is that 13M a season going, because it sure as hell isn't on the pitch!? It is- just not the pitch Stoke City are playing on.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 8, 2021 12:10:48 GMT
re the army of 2022 expirees:
Davies, Gunn (loan) Smith, Tymon, Lindsay, Batth, BMI, Wimmer Woods, Allen, Thompson, Ndiaye, Clucas, Powell Ince, McClean Gregory, Vokes, Fletcher (plus Chester and Mikel if they get another year)
The decision could well have been made with Davies for example, and that'll probably be that for Fletcher who'll be 35 - and certainly with all the ones who've been loaned out as well as Vokes - but as they enter the final year, you do wonder at what point we'll make a call on whether to give an extra year (on reduced terms) to the likes of Smith (30 in the summer of 2022), Batth (31), Allen (32), Clucas (31), McClean (33) - as well as Tymon and even Thompson?
Is it unlikely in all cases? Or will we sneak an Allen extension in quietly?
And when will that be communicated to them, one way or the other?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 12:27:23 GMT
re the army of 2022 expirees: Davies, Gunn (loan) Smith, Tymon, Lindsay, Batth, BMI, Wimmer Woods, Allen, Thompson, Ndiaye, Clucas, Powell Ince, McClean Gregory, Vokes, Fletcher (plus Chester and Mikel if they get another year) The decision could well have been made with Davies for example, and that'll probably be that for Fletcher who'll be 35 - and certainly with all the ones who've been loaned out as well as Vokes - but as they enter the final year, you do wonder at what point we'll make a call on whether to give an extra year (on reduced terms) to the likes of Smith (30 in the summer of 2022), Batth (31), Allen (32), Clucas (31), McClean (33) - as well as Tymon and even Thompson? Is it unlikely in all cases? Or will we sneak an Allen extension in quietly? And when will that be communicated to them, one way or the other? Keep one of the keepers. Try and keep Powell. The rest can go.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 12:57:56 GMT
re the army of 2022 expirees: Davies, Gunn (loan) Smith, Tymon, Lindsay, Batth, BMI, Wimmer Woods, Allen, Thompson, Ndiaye, Clucas, Powell Ince, McClean Gregory, Vokes, Fletcher (plus Chester and Mikel if they get another year) The decision could well have been made with Davies for example, and that'll probably be that for Fletcher who'll be 35 - and certainly with all the ones who've been loaned out as well as Vokes - but as they enter the final year, you do wonder at what point we'll make a call on whether to give an extra year (on reduced terms) to the likes of Smith (30 in the summer of 2022), Batth (31), Allen (32), Clucas (31), McClean (33) - as well as Tymon and even Thompson? Is it unlikely in all cases? Or will we sneak an Allen extension in quietly? And when will that be communicated to them, one way or the other? 21 players out of contract. That’s jaw dropping. It’s going to be a huge task sorting that out. Players entering the last year of their contracts become unsettled, and its not good for dressing room harmony to have so many with their medium and long term careers undecided.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 13:02:15 GMT
re the army of 2022 expirees: Davies, Gunn (loan) Smith, Tymon, Lindsay, Batth, BMI, Wimmer Woods, Allen, Thompson, Ndiaye, Clucas, Powell Ince, McClean Gregory, Vokes, Fletcher (plus Chester and Mikel if they get another year) The decision could well have been made with Davies for example, and that'll probably be that for Fletcher who'll be 35 - and certainly with all the ones who've been loaned out as well as Vokes - but as they enter the final year, you do wonder at what point we'll make a call on whether to give an extra year (on reduced terms) to the likes of Smith (30 in the summer of 2022), Batth (31), Allen (32), Clucas (31), McClean (33) - as well as Tymon and even Thompson? Is it unlikely in all cases? Or will we sneak an Allen extension in quietly? And when will that be communicated to them, one way or the other? 21 players out of contract. That’s jaw dropping. It’s going to be a huge task sorting that out. Players entering the last year of their contracts become unsettled, and its not good for dressing room harmony to have so many with their medium and long term careers undecided. It’s how most football league clubs work isn’t it? Maybe not to this extent but a lot will have double digits at the end of their contract.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 8, 2021 13:05:29 GMT
I dread to think what our midfield's going to be like with another year in the legs of Mikel, allen and Clucas. Hideous I imagine. Tbh, I can't believe they negativity about Clucas. Last season along with Powell and Campbell he was superb, scored goals, worked hard. At this level when fit he's a match winner. He needs a holder alongside him. A midfield of him with Cousins, Powell in front doing what he does, would be very good in this division. Clucas deserved a run of games but along with Cousins has been pushed to the margins in favor of Allen and Mikkel. I totally back the manager but he's got it wrong in selecting Allen and Mikkel Clucas hasn't been pushed to the sidelines at all. He's been injured pretty much all season long. He came into the season carrying an injury from the previous season and he's struggled with foot and groin injuries all season long.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 8, 2021 13:05:32 GMT
21 players out of contract. That’s jaw dropping. It’s going to be a huge task sorting that out. Players entering the last year of their contracts become unsettled, and its not good for dressing room harmony to have so many with their medium and long term careers undecided. It’s how most football league clubs work isn’t it? Maybe not to this extent but a lot will have double digits at the end of their contract. I’m not sure about other clubs, but I’d be surprised if any are looking at a turnover of that magnitude.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2021 13:09:11 GMT
It’s how most football league clubs work isn’t it? Maybe not to this extent but a lot will have double digits at the end of their contract. I’m not sure about other clubs but I’d be surprised if any are looking at a turnover of that magnitude. 1/2 year contracts are the norm for leagues one and two. And then there’s a bit more structure at this level. I don’t see it as anything but good tbh. Powell and one of the goalies are the two must keeps. The rest are replaceable, easily so.
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