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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:47:37 GMT
I think you'd find in Shawcross's case we are. If and when he decides to call it a day Coates will give him a huge thank you and until that time he will not be showing him the door in my opinion because he is a very loyal man who appreciates what players have done for the club unlike the disrespectful bunch on here. I know from the past how much this club means to Ryan and he will be working his hardest to get us back where we were for the majority of his time. Learn what respect means please. I think you’re confusing respect with loyalty. Nobody has shown a lack of respect or appreciation for what he has given this club over the last decade or so. People are quite rightly stating that it’s time for him to take a step back. I think that some posters are struggling to come to terms with that. Putting an exclamation mark after the title is certainly disrespectful.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 9, 2021 18:48:42 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it. He was our best centre half today
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 18:49:12 GMT
I think you’re confusing respect with loyalty. Nobody has shown a lack of respect or appreciation for what he has given this club over the last decade or so. People are quite rightly stating that it’s time for him to take a step back. I think that some posters are struggling to come to terms with that. Putting an exclamation mark after the title is certainly disrespectful. It has certainly rankled a few on here. Perhaps unnecessary but not really something to get overly upset about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 18:50:18 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it. He was our best centre half today He wasn’t as good as souttar
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 18:50:30 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it. He was our best centre half today After baath and Souttar
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 9, 2021 18:53:05 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days. Did you watch with Cranson/Overson blinkers on? He is an absolute legend and still has plenty to offer in this league, especially as we have Chester and baath in our cb pool who are shite.
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Post by Davef on Jan 9, 2021 18:54:14 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days. You've listed several players there who were all excellent for us, but, Denis Smith aside, I'll bet they didn't appear for Stoke in as many seasons between them as Ryan Shawcross has. You have an extremely short memory if you can't remember how good he was for us in our early Premier League seasons and even when he returned from his first injury setback under Hughes he was brilliant. Tony Pulis gave him the armband when he was younger than Harry Souttar is now and at a time when Whelan, Delap and Huth were all mainstays. I think that says it all.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:59:19 GMT
Putting an exclamation mark after the title is certainly disrespectful. It has certainly rankled a few on here. Perhaps unnecessary but not really something to get overly upset about. Perhaps because when the end does eventually come for Shawcross it will be a very sad day and the end of an era not some sort of celebration. Shawcross means a lot to a lot of fans and to see him criticised on here is upsetting. You show that you don't understand that.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 9, 2021 19:01:50 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it. He was our best centre half today Nope, the worst!I really rate Ryan, but his contribution for their third and fourth made him the worst one in my opinion! I also thought he had a couple of dodgy clearances in the first half that was risky or lucky. He might come good again with more games under his belt, but right now he is behind Souttar, Collins, Batth and Chester in the peckingorder as I see it.
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 19:04:43 GMT
It has certainly rankled a few on here. Perhaps unnecessary but not really something to get overly upset about. Perhaps because when the end does eventually come for Shawcross it will be a very sad day and the end of an era not some sort of celebration. Shawcross means a lot to a lot of fans and to see him criticised on here is upsetting. You show that you don't understand that. Now you’re just making stuff up. Who is celebrating? Is an exclamation point a celebratory symbol? No it isn’t necessarily. I understand, I think that some of you want him to play on and leave on a negative when his broken body means that he can no longer play. I’d rather he had a dignified send off rather than squeezing the last bit of life out of a player who’s injury record speaks for itself.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 19:11:46 GMT
Perhaps because when the end does eventually come for Shawcross it will be a very sad day and the end of an era not some sort of celebration. Shawcross means a lot to a lot of fans and to see him criticised on here is upsetting. You show that you don't understand that. Now you’re just making stuff up. Who is celebrating? Is an exclamation point a celebratory symbol? No it isn’t necessarily. I understand, I think that some of you want him to play on and leave on a negative when his broken body means that he can no longer play. I’d rather he had a dignified send off rather than squeezing the last bit of life out of a player who’s injury record speaks for itself. It's up to him and the management to decide that not a bunch of hysterical fans upset that we lost to one of the best teams in the country.
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 19:13:18 GMT
Now you’re just making stuff up. Who is celebrating? Is an exclamation point a celebratory symbol? No it isn’t necessarily. I understand, I think that some of you want him to play on and leave on a negative when his broken body means that he can no longer play. I’d rather he had a dignified send off rather than squeezing the last bit of life out of a player who’s injury record speaks for itself. It's up to him and the management to decide that not a bunch of hysterical fans upset that we list to one of the best teams I the country. Yea that is very much the case. And I’ve no issue with losing to a brilliant team in Leicester, but it’s people’s opinion at the end of the day. Time will tell though as is always the case with these things.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 9, 2021 19:16:15 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it. He was our best centre half today I'll have some of what you are drinking🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2021 19:17:34 GMT
This thread is shambolic
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Post by nick1 on Jan 9, 2021 19:30:22 GMT
Totally agree, it was his first full game in how long?
I remember Robert Huth in his last game v Wrexham in the F.A cup and people were saying he was finished, 18 months later he had a premier league winners medal
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 19:31:51 GMT
Totally agree, it was his first full game in how long? I remember Robert Huth in his last game v Wrexham in the F.A cup and people were saying he was finished, 18 months later he had a premier league winners medal I think a big big part of the argument is exactly that. He’s missed so many games and at his age now it has an effect.
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Post by hughjarse on Jan 9, 2021 19:39:40 GMT
Agreed. We all know his days are numbered but did alright today
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 9, 2021 19:45:28 GMT
What because you don't agree with it. Oh dear,how sad,never mind.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2021 19:46:41 GMT
What because you don't agree with it. Oh dear,how sad,never mind. He played perfectly fine today. It’s just a very odd time to do it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 19:49:25 GMT
Was it coincidence that we were in the game until he got tired and then we were torn apart at will?
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 9, 2021 19:52:27 GMT
Can see Shawcross forcing is way back into the team in a few weeks time. Would have him over Chester and Batth if I’m honest.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 9, 2021 19:54:24 GMT
No better or worse than any of the others today? In fact, especially in the first half, I thought he played well.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2021 19:57:23 GMT
He must be one of our top earners. I don't know how long he has left on his contract but sadly has to be let go once it's over. He's now a liability and a waste of 2, maybe 3 players' wages. Thanks for the memories Ryan but the end has to come for everyone eventually. He is one of our top earners. But if we offer him a new contract it won't be for anything like the amount he is on now. I'm sure he realises that and he will also realise that any other club who signs him will also not pay him what he gets under his current contract. So, what he ears at the moment is totally irrelevant as to whether we should offer him a new one. If we do offer him a new one I'm sure we will offer what we think he is currently worth - and probably ask him to consider a player coach role.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 9, 2021 20:02:15 GMT
He was our best centre half today Nope, the worst!I really rate Ryan, but his contribution for their third and fourth made him the worst one in my opinion! I also thought he had a couple of dodgy clearances in the first half that was risky or lucky. He might come good again with more games under his belt, but right now he is behind Souttar, Collins, Batth and Chester in the peckingorder as I see it. You must be blind then.
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 20:02:39 GMT
Was it coincidence that we were in the game until he got tired and then we were torn apart at will? We changed shape too which meant he was more exposed. Going to the flat back 4 showed us up too, along with the tired legs and tired minds
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Post by robinplumpton on Jan 9, 2021 20:07:00 GMT
Was it coincidence that we were in the game until he got tired and then we were torn apart at will? We changed shape too which meant he was more exposed. Going to the flat back 4 showed us up too, along with the tired legs and tired minds So he should have been substituted. He was clearly feeling it, so leaving him on was effectively hanging him out to dry
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 9, 2021 20:08:37 GMT
How do we get rid of these players? We aren't keeping them out of choice. I think you'd find in Shawcross's case we are. If and when he decides to call it a day Coates will give him a huge thank you and until that time he will not be showing him the door in my opinion because he is a very loyal man who appreciates what players have done for the club unlike the disrespectful bunch on here. I know from the past how much this club means to Ryan and he will be working his hardest to get us back where we were for the majority of his time. Learn what respect means please. I was on about the players he said to get rid of - ie, Wimmer, Ince and whoever else it was.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 9, 2021 20:09:03 GMT
Nope, the worst!I really rate Ryan, but his contribution for their third and fourth made him the worst one in my opinion! I also thought he had a couple of dodgy clearances in the first half that was risky or lucky. He might come good again with more games under his belt, but right now he is behind Souttar, Collins, Batth and Chester in the peckingorder as I see it. You must be blind then. No, it's about knowledge of the game!
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 9, 2021 20:12:00 GMT
Thought he was one of our better players today That's probably why we lost 4-0 Utter horseshit again. He was one of the better players today. Better than both Souttar and Baath.
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Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 20:20:16 GMT
We changed shape too which meant he was more exposed. Going to the flat back 4 showed us up too, along with the tired legs and tired minds So he should have been substituted. He was clearly feeling it, so leaving him on was effectively hanging him out to dry Absolutely, maybe O’Neill is saving the legs of others for the league games, thinking that it wasn’t important to save Ryan? I dunno, that’s a question for the manager. Maybe he’s seeing if he’s got legs for the full 90 with a view to trying him out in the league? All guessing admittedly
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