|
Post by robwahlmann on Jan 9, 2021 17:48:06 GMT
Sorry, but today he wasn't! He was. It's not possible to be worse than Batth anyway Bullshit!
|
|
|
Post by questionable on Jan 9, 2021 17:48:21 GMT
You can point fingers at players a/ b/ c/ all night but how many more seasons and managers will keep persisting with this god awful wing back system, just fukc it off completely.
Embarrassing now.
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 9, 2021 17:50:01 GMT
Ryan was not the problem.
|
|
|
Post by Olgrligm on Jan 9, 2021 17:51:07 GMT
He's worn the shirt in each of the last fifteen years now. We certainly know how to treat our heroes don't we? Nothing lasts forever and most things decline with age, but for crying out loud try to show at least a modicum of respect. Too many people were waiting with keyboards poised so that they could stick the boot in as soon as he made even half a mistake, as usual.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 9, 2021 17:55:46 GMT
Probably one of our best players, was actually better than Souttar today who had a bit of an off game especially some of his passes. The 3rd goal he didn't get back for but Allen just watched the ball bounce and didn't try to press the player until he had gone past. The 4th was a great block on the cross and couldn't do much about the follow up (wouldn't have been given with VAR as Albrighton was definitely interfering). Was it Allen or Thompson? Only saw it once and wasn’t sure.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 17:57:22 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well.
We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted.
|
|
|
Post by numpty40 on Jan 9, 2021 18:00:02 GMT
I see some are coming out with the old misconception that he is 'too slow' Do people actually watch games? He has never been slow and is without any doubt the quickest defender at the club. The only positive to take from today is that Ryan has got a full 90 minutes in his legs. I've got more faith in Ryan than I have in Souttar to be honest.
|
|
|
Post by J-Roar on Jan 9, 2021 18:00:18 GMT
I would rather see Ryan Shawcross get a contract extension than keep the likes of Vokes,Brown,Wimmer etc.People keep going on about his salary and possibly freeing up wages for other players as a reason to get rid of him.He is nowhere near finished yet.Can't wait for some to eat humble pie when he proves you wrong. How do we get rid of these players? We aren't keeping them out of choice.
|
|
|
Post by J-Roar on Jan 9, 2021 18:02:11 GMT
Great player that he's been over the years that was pretty awful and a shame but we need to move him out in the summer. His wage is far better going to some younger players that can actually keep up with the pace of a game. Why the need for an exclamation mark in the title? Sounds like you're actually happy about it.
|
|
|
Post by RAF on Jan 9, 2021 18:02:32 GMT
Fuck me there is some disrespectful uninformed horse spunk being spewed on here! Disgraceful
H
|
|
|
Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 9, 2021 18:06:53 GMT
I don't get this obsession with Ryan's wages. We have been paying huge sums of money to some absolute wasters. The injury problems have Ryan prevented having a leading role in the last couple of years, but I'm sure having someone like him helping the likes of Collins and Souttar behind the scenes means that we have still got more from him than some.
The £50 k thing is irrelevant as I'm sure nobody expects he would get a contract extension paying anywhere near that in the summer. I would like to think there will be a way to keep him at the club but suspect that he, being someone who has always wanted to play regularly and who has worked hard to get fit again, might look at options where he might get more games before he retires. A lot might depend on how settled the family is.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 18:07:32 GMT
There were certainly a lot worse out there today. However I said last season that it was the end but again some can’t deal with it.
|
|
|
Post by longdistancekiddie on Jan 9, 2021 18:09:58 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Where was Shawcross when Albrighton went past Batth,?, three yards behind the play, Pissin around with Allen for another goal. Instead of booting it out for the next goal Shawcross blocks/passes it to their player to score. Should only be a bit part player,
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:10:24 GMT
I would rather see Ryan Shawcross get a contract extension than keep the likes of Vokes,Brown,Wimmer etc.People keep going on about his salary and possibly freeing up wages for other players as a reason to get rid of him.He is nowhere near finished yet.Can't wait for some to eat humble pie when he proves you wrong. How do we get rid of these players? We aren't keeping them out of choice. I think you'd find in Shawcross's case we are. If and when he decides to call it a day Coates will give him a huge thank you and until that time he will not be showing him the door in my opinion because he is a very loyal man who appreciates what players have done for the club unlike the disrespectful bunch on here. I know from the past how much this club means to Ryan and he will be working his hardest to get us back where we were for the majority of his time. Learn what respect means please.
|
|
|
Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 9, 2021 18:10:50 GMT
Hard to fathom how Shawcross is being highlighted after watching that. He’s not the player he once was, but wouldn’t be near the top of the list for criticism today.
McClean and Vokes were complete dogshit, and Brown wasn’t far behind. I don’t understand how you watch that ga e and choose to highlight Shawcross as a primary issue.
|
|
|
Post by stantheman on Jan 9, 2021 18:12:10 GMT
He's worn the shirt in each of the last fifteen years now. We certainly know how to treat our heroes don't we? Nothing lasts forever and most things decline with age, but for crying out loud try to show at least a modicum of respect. Amen. Of all the people to make negative comments about, Ryan shouldn't that player. His first 90 mins for ages, against one of the best teams in the land. I'm just happy he came through unscathed.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:15:20 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Where was Shawcross when Albrighton went past Batth,?, three yards behind the play, Pissin around with Allen for another goal. Instead of booting it out for the next goal Shawcross blocks/passes it to their player to score. Should only be a bit part player, And first half when Souttar had been stranded who was it who matched one of their pacy forwards for speed to ensure he had to pass the ball back instead of cross it? If anyone disappointed me today it was Souttar who didn't pass well and was often left behind. You can't just pick one moment and say that proves he's past it. How many players do you think can come back and keep going for 90 minutes having not played a game for the best part of a season and a half?
|
|
|
Post by Fred Merger on Jan 9, 2021 18:16:11 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days.
|
|
|
Post by wherty on Jan 9, 2021 18:18:51 GMT
50k a week would enable us a large amount of flexibility in the summer when his contract ends with us. Don't believe figures you are told. On nowhere near that whilst injured.
|
|
|
Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 18:23:47 GMT
How do we get rid of these players? We aren't keeping them out of choice. I think you'd find in Shawcross's case we are. If and when he decides to call it a day Coates will give him a huge thank you and until that time he will not be showing him the door in my opinion because he is a very loyal man who appreciates what players have done for the club unlike the disrespectful bunch on here. I know from the past how much this club means to Ryan and he will be working his hardest to get us back where we were for the majority of his time. Learn what respect means please. I think you’re confusing respect with loyalty. Nobody has shown a lack of respect or appreciation for what he has given this club over the last decade or so. People are quite rightly stating that it’s time for him to take a step back. I think that some posters are struggling to come to terms with that.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:26:47 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days. I saw all of those and Smith alongside Bloor was my favourite but Shawcross ranks alongside either of those. No doubt you are one of the people who reckon he only looked good alongside Huth despite carrying on for several years after he left. Just perhaps the long ball was what his manager wanted. I'd take his long balls any day over Batth's
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:31:39 GMT
I think you'd find in Shawcross's case we are. If and when he decides to call it a day Coates will give him a huge thank you and until that time he will not be showing him the door in my opinion because he is a very loyal man who appreciates what players have done for the club unlike the disrespectful bunch on here. I know from the past how much this club means to Ryan and he will be working his hardest to get us back where we were for the majority of his time. Learn what respect means please. I think you’re confusing respect with loyalty. Nobody has shown a lack of respect or appreciation for what he has given this club over the last decade or so. People are quite rightly stating that it’s time for him to take a step back. I think that some posters are struggling to come to terms with that. Sorry but ending his Stoke career after the match today is disrespect. Shall we also end Rabbi's because he showed no speed or skill? Or how about Bursic because he let in 4 goals?(not serious by the way). We were playing the form team of the Premier league who by the way broke financial fair play to get where they are and have spent far more than us on players but weren't afraid to play an ageing Huth and Morgan who were both slower than Shawcross.
|
|
|
Post by a on Jan 9, 2021 18:35:35 GMT
I think you’re confusing respect with loyalty. Nobody has shown a lack of respect or appreciation for what he has given this club over the last decade or so. People are quite rightly stating that it’s time for him to take a step back. I think that some posters are struggling to come to terms with that. Sorry but ending his Stoke career after the match today is disrespect. Shall we also end Rabbi's because he showed no speed or skill? Or how about Bursic because he let in 4 goals?(not serious by the way). We were playing the form team of the Premier league who by the way broke financial fair play to get where they are and have spent far more than us on players but weren't afraid to play an ageing Huth and Morgan who were both slower than Shawcross. No I agree, I think he should have stopped after his last injury setback. Huth and Morgan played consistently without injury, I think Morgan played every minute in the season they won the league. Just have to look at how much game time shawcross has missed in the past few seasons to see that he isn’t at it any more.
|
|
|
Post by Fred Merger on Jan 9, 2021 18:36:14 GMT
Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days. I saw all of those and Smith alongside Bloor was my favourite but Shawcross ranks alongside either of those. No doubt you are one of the people who reckon he only looked good alongside Huth despite carrying on for several years after he left. Just perhaps the long ball was what his manager wanted. I'd take his long balls any day over Batth's Danny Barth's gritty performances and goals played a large part in retaining our Championship status at the end of last season ,while Shawcross was getting thousands of pounds a week for sweet FA.
|
|
|
Post by tomcmod on Jan 9, 2021 18:40:01 GMT
Probably one of our best players, was actually better than Souttar today who had a bit of an off game especially some of his passes. The 3rd goal he didn't get back for but Allen just watched the ball bounce and didn't try to press the player until he had gone past. The 4th was a great block on the cross and couldn't do much about the follow up (wouldn't have been given with VAR as Albrighton was definitely interfering). Was it Allen or Thompson? Only saw it once and wasn’t sure. For the 4th it was Allen, he's normally straight in but sat off them for some reason, perhaps fitness.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2021 18:43:39 GMT
We used the game to give minutes to players coming back from injury. Shawcross, Allen, Mikel and Clucas all tired second half.
O'Neill has said how difficult it is to reintegrate players after injury because of the lack of training and few under 23 games.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jan 9, 2021 18:45:07 GMT
I saw all of those and Smith alongside Bloor was my favourite but Shawcross ranks alongside either of those. No doubt you are one of the people who reckon he only looked good alongside Huth despite carrying on for several years after he left. Just perhaps the long ball was what his manager wanted. I'd take his long balls any day over Batth's Danny Barth's gritty performances and goals played a large part in retaining our Championship status at the end of last season ,while Shawcross was getting thousands of pounds a week for sweet FA. Not out of choice. Danny Batth has his qualities and battling spirit is one which he shares with Shawcross. Apart from that there is little comparison and Shawcross is far superior in every respect. Batth is a very limited footballer who today showed he would not survive in the Premier. Ask Tony Pulis which one he'd put in his team. Despite Mark Hughes gradually easing all the other Pulis stalwarts out he stuck with Shawcross and kept him as captain in the Stokealona team. O'Neill picked him as captain today despite having all his other captains available to him. He also name checks Shawcross as a club legend who has helped him in his first year managing here despite not having kicked a ball for him hardly before today.
|
|
|
Post by foghornsgleghorn on Jan 9, 2021 18:45:55 GMT
Do people who start these sort of threads actually watch the match or just see the scoreline and think of a thread title to go with it. People have been writing him off before he's kicked a ball this season. I can only imagine they are too young to have seen him at his best. First half I thought him, Allen and Mikel looked calm and used their experience well. We wait for the third goal when Shawcross wasn't at his best to blame him. How about Mclean's attempted interception that led to the second goal when Albrighton skipped past Batth as if he wasn't there? That was the goal that killed us off and those two players were duly substituted. Yes I did watch the match on BBC iPlayer and as far as seeing him at his best I certainly have and even then he was far from a legend. I started going to Stoke in the late 70's and have seen a lot of Centre backs come and go. When I first went we had Mike Doyle (hard as nails) and Dennis Smith. I've seen the likes of Dave Watson superb international defender. Steve Bould who left and Joined Arsenal with Lee Dixon. All far better players than Shawcross. Ian Cranson,Vinny Overson to name a few more. Ryan has been a solid performer over a long period and he will rightly be remembered fondly by a number of supporters for his contribution to our club but it has been plain to see even in the relegation season that he was struggling to perform regularly and persistent back problems have hampered his form. The end of the road has come for him in my opinion and he is better just now being used very sparingly if at all and remembered for his pomp days. Now I wasn't around when Doyle and Smith were playing, but as much as I loved Cranson & Overson, to suggest that they were far better players than Shawcross when they were playing for us at a lower league level than the guy with over 300 Premier League appearances and some outstanding performances where he had some of the best strikers in the country in his pocket just tells me that you have an agenda.
|
|
|
Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 9, 2021 18:46:29 GMT
How can you watch that shower of utter shit and Shawcross be your main concern? This. How the hell people can aim at Shawcross, he's the least of our worries, he was calmness personified first half. 2nd half visibly tired, but christ on a bike he is way way down the list compared to the utter garbage we have in the team/squad and management (at the moment, MoN has to get his head out of his negative arris)
|
|
|
Post by hughjarse on Jan 9, 2021 18:47:00 GMT
Great player that he's been over the years that was pretty awful and a shame but we need to move him out in the summer. His wage is far better going to some younger players that can actually keep up with the pace of a game. I have been writing Shawcross off for the last two years (albeit with a heavy heart). Today I thought he did really well and was reconsidering my view. Then I read this 😡
|
|