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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 27, 2021 22:16:41 GMT
From the BBC's report, on Farrell and Jones refusing to be drawn on the ref...
"If England had shown the same rock-steady discipline on the pitch as they did in the touchline interviews, the result in Cardiff might have been very different".
Best comment about the game I've seen so far!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 27, 2021 22:32:24 GMT
I think it's time for Jones and England to part company, it's over......
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 27, 2021 23:38:12 GMT
Itoje got away with a lot for the last few years. Is he English Yes he is, the referees he came up against won't have been though. What's your point caller? See Salop reply
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Post by thevoid on Feb 27, 2021 23:57:06 GMT
Yes he is, the referees he came up against won't have been though. What's your point caller? See Salop reply So no opinion of your own then?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Feb 28, 2021 0:26:11 GMT
So no opinion of your own then? You know that I have.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2021 10:03:14 GMT
I think it's time for Jones and England to part company, it's over...... Yes, it's got something of that feel about it. Warren Gatland plus Shaun Edwards please. Not going to happen sadly, but given the numbers and talent available they would turn things around and make us strong contenders for the 2023 WC.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 28, 2021 11:22:01 GMT
Interestingly, Wales may need a favour from England against France.
Vive la France if so 🇫🇷 I'd sooner they won the title than the Welsh, they play some brilliant rugby and haven't benefited from refereeing decisions that would make Man Utd look like amateurs (and I'm not just referring to yesterday).
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2021 13:50:04 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56230006I don't do social media so I can only guess what the abuse was all about. And the BBC report doesn't make it clear. Any personal abuse is wrong. However, I can't help but feel that a lot of Welsh supporters will have been utterly fed up by the focus on the referee yesterday in most of the interviewing and punditry afterwards, rather than their team, which is now heading towards a grand slam match with France. For those who do twitter, was that the reason for the abuse, or was it more predictable sexism? Or perhaps a mixture of both?
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Post by salopstick on Feb 28, 2021 15:54:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56230006I don't do social media so I can only guess what the abuse was all about. And the BBC report doesn't make it clear. Any personal abuse is wrong. However, I can't help but feel that a lot of Welsh supporters will have been utterly fed up by the focus on the referee yesterday in most of the interviewing and punditry afterwards, rather than their team, which is now heading towards a grand slam match with France. For those who do twitter, was that the reason for the abuse, or was it more predictable sexism? Or perhaps a mixture of both? The abuse may be wrong but the sentiment is right. Her post match interviews were a disgrace. She was goading Farrell and Eddie Jones into slating the ref. I can’t abide the pair of them but that wasn’t journalism. As for the game england got back level and the likely team to win and it was their indiscipline that cost them the game. That should have been the crux of her interviews rather than two debatable decisions that in scoreline 24/24 had been put to bed on 60 minutes
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Post by salopstick on Feb 28, 2021 15:55:58 GMT
Interestingly, Wales may need a favour from England against France. Vive la France if so 🇫🇷 I'd sooner they won the title than the Welsh, they play some brilliant rugby and haven't benefited from refereeing decisions that would make Man Utd look like amateurs (and I'm not just referring to yesterday). Wales have been lucky this year but for a long time england have always rode their luck.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 28, 2021 17:39:39 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56230006I don't do social media so I can only guess what the abuse was all about. And the BBC report doesn't make it clear. Any personal abuse is wrong. However, I can't help but feel that a lot of Welsh supporters will have been utterly fed up by the focus on the referee yesterday in most of the interviewing and punditry afterwards, rather than their team, which is now heading towards a grand slam match with France. For those who do twitter, was that the reason for the abuse, or was it more predictable sexism? Or perhaps a mixture of both? The abuse may be wrong but the sentiment is right. Her post match interviews were a disgrace. She was goading Farrell and Eddie Jones into slating the ref. I can’t abide the pair of them but that wasn’t journalism. As for the game england got back level and the likely team to win and it was their indiscipline that cost them the game. That should have been the crux of her interviews rather than two debatable decisions that in scoreline 24/24 had been put to bed on 60 minutes I agree. As I said earlier, the way the coverage fixated on the reffing was ridiculous and completely took away from the indiscipline which, as you say, cost England the game, but also took away from the Welsh performance. It wasn't just her interview. It carried on with the punditry. Warburton tried to focus on the other aspects but even he got brow beaten by Johnson, Logan and Guscott into whining about the ref. But that's the problem with social media, some folk don't seen to be able to disagree without name calling and personal abuse, it's very sad.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 28, 2021 18:36:29 GMT
There doesn't appear to be much heat on Jones in the press I've read but if we lose the next two games surely questions need to be asked?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 28, 2021 18:51:37 GMT
Personal abuse is wrong but I stand by my opinion that those interviews were poor & this carried on with Eddie Jones.
The focus on the ref and the contentious decisions at the end was also poor, Wales didn’t get a look in initially despite those dominant last 15 mins.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2021 14:25:09 GMT
Goarrrn England
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2021 14:32:20 GMT
Isn't the 6 nations a tired format that doesn't really work? Two division European championship us surely the way to go
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2021 14:44:33 GMT
Isn't the 6 nations a tired format that doesn't really work? Two division European championship us surely the way to go I disagree. However it needs tweaking to improve the game There was a time when Romania were the best of the rest. Not too far before Italy joined. A 6 team 2nd division of Spain, Romania Georgia and Russia and say Germany or Belgium would definitely help the game grow in mainland europe as well as improve those teams I think the risk for the 5 is that on a very odd year they would not like relegation wanting the closed shop £££ It would do Italy good too
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 16:48:39 GMT
Another nail in Eddie's coffin
Lose today and against Ireland and he has to go surely?
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2021 16:56:23 GMT
Another nail in Eddie's coffin Lose today and against Ireland and he has to go surely? I think sometimes england go in with the attitude they are superior to the rest and it hurts them. Scotland had a better desire Wales were massive underdogs but good fortune and some good play and they’ve had a great tournament regardless of what happens to France. Especially after the autumn disaster
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 17:33:02 GMT
Another nail in Eddie's coffin Lose today and against Ireland and he has to go surely? I think sometimes england go in with the attitude they are superior to the rest and it hurts them. Scotland had a better desire Wales were massive underdogs but good fortune and some good play and they’ve had a great tournament regardless of what happens to France. Especially after the autumn disaster England were in a World Cup Final less than two years ago after outplaying the defending champions. They're underperforming.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 18:29:36 GMT
Good to see England ending someone else's Grand Slam dream, it's happened to us enough!
The only downside is it practically hands the Cheats a Slam but we needed that result.
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Post by franklin on Mar 13, 2021 18:35:01 GMT
A hard fought win 👏
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2021 18:35:45 GMT
Good to see England ending someone else's Grand Slam dream, it's happened to us enough! The only downside is it practically hands the Cheats a Slam but we needed that result. Cheats? It’s exactly the reason why england are not doing well. Blaming others, etc
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 18:43:42 GMT
Good to see England ending someone else's Grand Slam dream, it's happened to us enough! The only downside is it practically hands the Cheats a Slam but we needed that result. Cheats? It’s exactly the reason why england are not doing well. Blaming others, etc Absolute rubbish. Scotland deserved to beat us, I said so further up this thread and they really ought to have won by 20+ England's penalty count is ridiculous and needs addressing. Enjoy the Slam but just like the others you've won you'll think you're best in the world until the World Cup comes along 😎
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Post by salopstick on Mar 13, 2021 18:52:34 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 13, 2021 18:53:05 GMT
The grapes are a little sour in some quarters tonight!
That second French try was an absolute work of art.
It's such a shame that it's so rare that you see England's attack manage a fantastic team score like that, we're all huff and puff with the occasional piece of individual brilliance.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 20:09:38 GMT
The grapes are a little sour in some quarters tonight! That second French try was an absolute work of art. It's such a shame that it's so rare that you see England's attack manage a fantastic team score like that, we're all huff and puff with the occasional piece of individual brilliance. No sour grapes here, we won. France should be looking at winning the World Cup on home soil though, they were brilliant and even if they don't win the title they're currently the best side in the NH by some distance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 20:10:30 GMT
Good, hard fought win for England in the end, I must say I wasn't expecting us to beat France today. Eddie needs to address the indiscipline and penalties against us as it is seriousl affecting our play. Wales look well set for the title now.
Just looking at the table and Italy have a points difference of -142 after 4 games !
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 13, 2021 20:27:03 GMT
Good, hard fought win for England in the end, I must say I wasn't expecting us to beat France today. Eddie needs to address the indiscipline and penalties against us as it is seriousl affecting our play. Wales look well set for the title now. Just looking at the table and Italy have a points difference of -142 after 4 games ! Me neither. Another plus ten penalty count for England, not good. Scraped a win in the end which is what matters, but still look pretty stilted and miles off our WC performances. To be fair, lots of our players are rusty without much game time, so it's harsh to be too critical. Re Italy, we need a two division four team format with relegation/promotion for top/bottom of each division. Maybe even a third tier with the same approach for the likes of up and coming nations like Germany, Portugal etc.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 13, 2021 20:31:19 GMT
The grapes are a little sour in some quarters tonight! That second French try was an absolute work of art. It's such a shame that it's so rare that you see England's attack manage a fantastic team score like that, we're all huff and puff with the occasional piece of individual brilliance. No sour grapes here, we won. France should be looking at winning the World Cup on home soil though, they were brilliant and even if they don't win the title they're currently the best side in the NH by some distance. I don't think labelling the Welsh as "Cheats" was anything other than a bit petulant However, on France I agree. They have a decent young side with a genuine star in the making in Dupont. Will be a good bet for winning their home WC in a couple of years time when this side has a couple more years Test rugby maturity under their belts.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 13, 2021 20:33:38 GMT
Good, hard fought win for England in the end, I must say I wasn't expecting us to beat France today. Eddie needs to address the indiscipline and penalties against us as it is seriousl affecting our play. Wales look well set for the title now. Just looking at the table and Italy have a points difference of -142 after 4 games ! I think I heard the other week Italy had lost 30 consecutive 6 Nations games? And they've probably lost another 2 or 3 since then. Utterly pointless, surely having a Group B is the way forward? Romania always had relatively decent sides in the 90s, what happened to them?
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