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Post by Gods on Jul 2, 2021 15:16:52 GMT
I must admit I thought he was going to be quite good based on his time at Chelsea.
But it seemed old father time had sadly caught up with him.
It's a bit like when you are in the street at closing time and there are a couple of kids snogging the face off one another outside a night club. And while you are mildly jealous you find yourself asking the question 'Do I still even have the raw hunger for that?'
Mikel's street snogging days are well behind him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 2, 2021 15:33:00 GMT
I must admit I thought he was going to be quite good based on his time at Chelsea. But it seemed old father time had sadly caught up with him. It's a bit like when you are in the street at closing time and there are a couple of kids snogging the face off one another outside a night club. And while you are mildly jealous you find yourself asking the question 'Do I still even have the raw hunger for that?' Mikel's street snogging days are well behind him. Think I had 'Jon Obi Mikel's Street Snogger' on the Nintendo 64.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 2, 2021 16:00:37 GMT
Unless I'm missing something MON doesn't say anything like he was planning to build the team around him (which I agree would be madness), that seems to be purely the Sentinel's words. I think it's clear MON really liked Mikel. I've been told he saw him as a son almost and had complete faith almost. This deal will have fucked him off massively. Danny off Twitter has a lot to answer for
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 2, 2021 16:01:10 GMT
Given Mon is saying he was ready to build his team on mikel which personally i think was nonsense from a football view , this has clearly come as a unwelcome surprise He never said anything of the sort.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2021 16:04:57 GMT
I think it's clear MON really liked Mikel. I've been told he saw him as a son almost and had complete faith almost. This deal will have fucked him off massively. Danny off Twitter has a lot to answer for Nope. I don’t get why it’s such a hard stretch given the way he treated him despite how shite he was for us.
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Post by damagedswan on Jul 2, 2021 16:33:37 GMT
Danny off Twitter has a lot to answer for Nope. I don’t get why it’s such a hard stretch given the way he treated him despite how shite he was for us. I agree, it was obvious that MON really liked Mikel. He was always absolutely glowing about him and constantly played him. But there isn't any indication that he was 'planning to build this season's team around him'.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2021 16:54:23 GMT
Nope. I don’t get why it’s such a hard stretch given the way he treated him despite how shite he was for us. I agree, it was obvious that MON really liked Mikel. He was always absolutely glowing about him and constantly played him. But there isn't any indication that he was 'planning to build this season's team around him'. Never said there was!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 2, 2021 17:00:20 GMT
It’ll be a blessing he’s gone. No doubt about it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 2, 2021 20:00:46 GMT
Given Mon is saying he was ready to build his team on mikel which personally i think was nonsense from a football view , this has clearly come as a unwelcome surprise He never said anything of the sort. According to the sentinel article he was looking forward to building his team round Mikel , I’m only the messenger
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 2, 2021 21:25:02 GMT
It’ll be a blessing he’s gone. No doubt about it. It certainly is. If mon would have played around Mikel he would have got the sack Still might yet
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 2, 2021 21:31:08 GMT
It’ll be a blessing he’s gone. No doubt about it. No doubt he’s a decent player but slowed the game down and didn’t get around the pitch quick enough.
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 2, 2021 21:34:09 GMT
For sure his replacement has to be an athletic, get around the field type, preferably younger version of Mikel.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Jul 2, 2021 21:34:35 GMT
I wish Mikel had been better managed here, i.e. subbed after 60 mins most games. He was usually very decent in the first 60 and then fell off soon after. I feel that the loss of a player who has such pedigree takes a lot away from players like Sorenson et al, who could have learned a great deal from such experience. Agree with the general sentiment here, he was played Tue/Wed, Sat, Tue/Wed on a few occasions iirc (happy to be corrected) use him wisely or sporadically at least in those phases if you insist on playing him I like him, but not as a permanent fixture for 46 games, he should be played in games that suit the plan. (if we have a plan other than to win 1-0)
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Post by stormin on Jul 3, 2021 9:03:29 GMT
It’ll be a blessing he’s gone. No doubt about it. It certainly is. If mon would have played around Mikel he would have got the sack Still might yet MON won't be sacked any time soon, he has stripped out a large number of experienced players (mostly bad and indifferent) and if the young players loose confidence then Stoke are going down. So MON needs to stay at the helm to see the rebuild through to fruition.
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Post by spikey2972 on Jul 3, 2021 9:06:17 GMT
i know we want to get rid of a lot of deadwood but if you add up how much we have lost in transfers,it must run into nearly a 100 million,which we have not recouped. also we are replacing these players with first division players. just lately it feels like we are back in the 1990's going for cheap options and free transfers,i don't see us doing much next season, it's going to be another struggle against relegation again.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 3, 2021 9:08:15 GMT
I wish Mikel had been better managed here, i.e. subbed after 60 mins most games. He was usually very decent in the first 60 and then fell off soon after. I feel that the loss of a player who has such pedigree takes a lot away from players like Sorenson et al, who could have learned a great deal from such experience. Agree with the general sentiment here, he was played Tue/Wed, Sat, Tue/Wed on a few occasions iirc (happy to be corrected) use him wisely or sporadically at least in those phases if you insist on playing him I like him, but not as a permanent fixture for 46 games, he should be played in games that suit the plan. (if we have a plan other than to win 1-0) I think he was perfectly fit enough the problem was after Tyrese injury he rarely had an out ball so looked more ineffective as did the whole team.....
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 3, 2021 9:10:43 GMT
All this negativity about mikel reminds me of the criticism glenn Whelan got towards the end of his time here. Look how we missed Whelan and how we struggled to replace his style of game amd character..lets hope the manager can find a good replacement quickly to replace mikel, as this dm role is critical in a team.
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Post by questionable on Jul 3, 2021 9:14:19 GMT
It’ll be a blessing he’s gone. No doubt about it. No doubt he’s a decent player but slowed the game down and didn’t get around the pitch quick enough. For the life of me I can’t see what he added to the team, never the quickest player when he was at Chelsea, rarely featured from memory ?? The game simply passed him by and he had little if any influence on the game, not at all what’s required given our ponderously slow forwards barring Campbell and the dire, dire defensive tactics employed by MON. Pointless signing in the first place and will not be missed whatsoever, million dollar question is what we think we need to replace him as no doubt MON firmly had him in his plans only a few days ago.
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Post by thehoof on Jul 3, 2021 9:21:13 GMT
All this negativity about mikel reminds me of the criticism glenn Whelan got towards the end of his time here. Look how we missed Whelan and how we struggled to replace his style of game amd character..lets hope the manager can find a good replacement quickly to replace mikel, as this dm role is critical in a team. He wasn’t very good as a DM, often nowhere to be seen when the opposition midfield broke forward. He did his best work further up the pitch around 10 yards either side of the half way line- his nifty footwork helping set up our 2nd goal at Bournemouth, and his excellent pass for Gregory’s goal at Preston.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 3, 2021 9:25:40 GMT
He never said anything of the sort. According to the sentinel article he was looking forward to building his team round Mikel , I’m only the messenger He never said he was building a team around him. How do you build a team around a 34 year old on a twelve month contract?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2021 9:25:53 GMT
I think it's clear MON really liked Mikel. I've been told he saw him as a son almost and had complete faith almost. This deal will have fucked him off massively. Yet more more made up bollocks to try and cause unrest. What do you get out of it you sad little man😂😂 No different than all of the unfounded Scholes bollocks thats posted on here tbf.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2021 9:28:54 GMT
It certainly is. If mon would have played around Mikel he would have got the sack Still might yet MON won't be sacked any time soon, he has stripped out a large number of experienced players (mostly bad and indifferent) and if the young players loose confidence then Stoke are going down. So MON needs to stay at the helm to see the rebuild through to fruition. MON needs to prove he's capable of an effective rebuild too, big summer for him.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 3, 2021 9:53:34 GMT
i know we want to get rid of a lot of deadwood but if you add up how much we have lost in transfers,it must run into nearly a 100 million,which we have not recouped. also we are replacing these players with first division players. just lately it feels like we are back in the 1990's going for cheap options and free transfers,i don't see us doing much next season, it's going to be another struggle against relegation again. I think I prefer your pessimism to the three seasons of over inflated expectations - at least you're being realistic about our situation. You are spot on it that we can only afford to replace the players we are losing with 1st division (plus lower level and unproven loanees). Despite all the talk of our existing players being crap in terms of quality the one's we can afford to bring in are going to be worse. However that doesn't automatically mean we'll do worse - if MoN and his backroom staff do their job properly we could end up a better unit and to survive in this league that's what he'll have to do. Mikel is a case in point - there is no way we're going to get a player of his class at DM to replace him. Best we can hope for is some unknown grafter with a good engine who doesn't get sent off too often. I'm an optimist so I'm going for top half next season and a promotion push the season after when the clear out is complete. The only problem is I'm nearly always wrong in my predictions.
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Post by teagles05 on Jul 3, 2021 10:32:46 GMT
Thank fuck he’s gone, many a game watching him jog around in the middle of the park not looking to defend or attack. Jordan cousins played a million times better when he was on the field. Should have kept him instead of a disloyal old man
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Post by hardcastle on Jul 3, 2021 11:40:17 GMT
All this negativity about mikel reminds me of the criticism glenn Whelan got towards the end of his time here. Look how we missed Whelan and how we struggled to replace his style of game amd character..lets hope the manager can find a good replacement quickly to replace mikel, as this dm role is critical in a team. He wasn’t very good as a DM, often nowhere to be seen when the opposition midfield broke forward. He did his best work further up the pitch around 10 yards either side of the half way line- his nifty footwork helping set up our 2nd goal at Bournemouth, and his excellent pass for Gregory’s goal at Preston. This is absolutely right. Good on the half way line going forward, ineffective when someone runs at him / past him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 3, 2021 12:48:42 GMT
Played on his own in midfield most of the time.
I think he'll be a big loss to the team and club. A good replacement is imperative. Finding a younger player as good as he was will cost money we don't seem to have.
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Post by christhepotter on Jul 3, 2021 12:51:10 GMT
Should see if that Oliver Skipp is available from spurs on loan. More chance of getting A Skipp from Browns.. Doubt it mate , we’re that busy we don’t have any 🤣😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 13:00:46 GMT
MON won't be sacked any time soon, he has stripped out a large number of experienced players (mostly bad and indifferent) and if the young players loose confidence then Stoke are going down. So MON needs to stay at the helm to see the rebuild through to fruition. MON needs to prove he's capable of an effective rebuild too, big summer for him. I think that its going to take more than a summer. Its a HUGE undertaking to strip a squad down to its essential parts and then build around those parts. I don't think you can do it all in one go for two reasons: a) too much change unbalances a team b) we are in a position where we have to get players out before getting them in and the window is only so long. I imagine we'll be in midtable throughout much of this season but our finances will be in a much better state.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 3, 2021 15:17:39 GMT
According to the sentinel article he was looking forward to building his team round Mikel , I’m only the messenger He never said he was building a team around him. How do you build a team around a 34 year old on a twelve month contract? Well the sentinel seemed to think that was his plan . But as I’ve said I don’t think Mikel is a loss regardless
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 3, 2021 15:33:01 GMT
MON needs to prove he's capable of an effective rebuild too, big summer for him. I think that its going to take more than a summer. Its a HUGE undertaking to strip a squad down to its essential parts and then build around those parts. I don't think you can do it all in one go for two reasons: a) too much change unbalances a team b) we are in a position where we have to get players out before getting them in and the window is only so long. I imagine we'll be in midtable throughout much of this season but our finances will be in a much better state. I agree, its a big job, luckily he's already had an entire season to start it after having a very useful half season to assess the squad, as I say big summer, add to that his uncovincing management of the team last season and he really needs to get it right this season to prove he knows what he's doing. I wouldn't mind midtable as I didn't last season.
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