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Sept 15, 2020 16:16:57 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 15, 2020 16:16:57 GMT
Yes I know he has pedigree and I know he isn't match fit, but I am baffled how many fans lauded his performance on Saturday. Did he do/ contribute anymore than say Cousins could or has done?. I caught a re run of a Chelsea v Liverpool game from 2013, when he was in his prime and he put in a very similar performance, alot of the time anonymous. I hope he turns out to be a massive figure for us moving forward, but let's not get carried away.
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Post by noustie on Sept 15, 2020 16:23:57 GMT
Players' player of the season nailed on I reckon.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 15, 2020 16:26:40 GMT
I didn’t really see anyone ‘lauding’ his performance.
The general consensus was that he put in a pretty solid performance after a rusty start wasn’t it?
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Post by greenhoff on Sept 15, 2020 16:27:10 GMT
Yes I know he has pedigree and I know he isn't match fit, but I am baffled how many fans lauded his performance on Saturday. Did he do/ contribute anymore than say Cousins could or has done?. I caught a re run of a Chelsea v Liverpool game from 2013, when he was in his prime and he put in a very similar performance, alot of the time anonymous. I hope he turns out to be a massive figure for us moving forward, but let's not get carried away. You're comparing JOM to Jordan Cousins? I'm not sure football is the right sport for you.
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Sept 15, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 15, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
Why do people twist what was said, all I said is that he did nothing that Cousins couldn't have contributed. Yes Mikel is a much better player, that's not in doubt.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 15, 2020 16:33:30 GMT
The less he seems to do the better he will be playing
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 15, 2020 16:38:27 GMT
A holding midfielder should be pretty anonymous imo. Let's face it he's not been signed for his attacking prowess or to run games from some sort of regista/creative position. He's there to snuff out danger and keep things ticking. With players like that you never really notice them playing well, but you certainly notice when they aren't. What Mikel should do in time is facilitate the creativity of Nick Powell, who should be able to play with more freedom knowing he has a very reputable CDM behind him to pick up the scraps.
I didn't think he was outstanding, but I'm not expecting anyone to be outstanding at this stage of the season nor in a 0-0 draw.
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Sept 15, 2020 16:48:25 GMT
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 15, 2020 16:48:25 GMT
He was our best midfielder though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 17:09:45 GMT
It was an experienced performance from an experienced player who is feeling his way back into fitness.
A few daft passes here and there but generally a very useful performance. A little toe in to knick the ball here, another little toe there. Put his foot on the ball when it needed to, a quick pass at other times.
He's a class act. A footballer.
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Post by scfc75 on Sept 15, 2020 17:23:17 GMT
Why do people twist what was said, all I said is that he did nothing that Cousins couldn't have contributed. Yes Mikel is a much better player, that's not in doubt. I’d say Mikel is a ‘creative’ DM (if there is such a thing) in the sense that he’ll break up play but also distribute the ball sensibly to start us on the front foot. Cousins is a ‘destructive’ DM (more like Whelan) in that he’ll win the ball and just give it to the nearest Stoke player - not always constructively, and often backwards. So I wouldn’t agree that he could do the same job.
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Sept 15, 2020 17:26:34 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2020 17:26:34 GMT
Why do people twist what was said, all I said is that he did nothing that Cousins couldn't have contributed. Yes Mikel is a much better player, that's not in doubt. I’d say Mikel is a ‘creative’ DM (if there is such a thing) in the sense that he’ll break up play but also distribute the ball sensibly to start us on the front foot. Cousins is a ‘destructive’ DM (more like Whelan) in that he’ll win the ball and just give it to the nearest Stoke player - not always constructively, and often backwards. So I wouldn’t agree that he could do the same job. Correct. I think Mikel has been brought in not just to win the ball but use it more intelligently. It’s a massive upgrade and I’ve no doubt he will be a success fitness permitting
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Sept 15, 2020 17:31:38 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Sept 15, 2020 17:31:38 GMT
He put in an average performance for this level, it was in line with my expectations of not really expecting much.
The manager feels he's behind with match fitness, instead of being past it, so potentially one to see how he progresses throughout the season.
Even if he doesn't perform at the required level, if the team are generally more successful with him in it and their performances rise because of his presence his short term contract could be worthwhile.
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Sept 15, 2020 17:36:33 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 15, 2020 17:36:33 GMT
A few sloppy passes but he's not match fit.
Other than that, kept us ticking, kept it simple, and cut out their momentum just as it started to build on a few occasions.
Hopefully, if he can stay fit, he's going to be a massive signing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:39:14 GMT
Why do people twist what was said, all I said is that he did nothing that Cousins couldn't have contributed. Yes Mikel is a much better player, that's not in doubt. I’d say Mikel is a ‘creative’ DM (if there is such a thing) in the sense that he’ll break up play but also distribute the ball sensibly to start us on the front foot. Cousins is a ‘destructive’ DM (more like Whelan) in that he’ll win the ball and just give it to the nearest Stoke player - not always constructively, and often backwards. So I wouldn’t agree that he could do the same job. Of course there is such a thing. The best anchor men contributed massively even though the actions might have gone unnoticed by the untrained eye. Redondo, Kante, Pirlo, Poulsen, Casemiro and more aren't just popular with managers and team mates, because they make up numbers, but because they are always available when others are under pressure and because they are experts in making the right decision when the whole team needs someone to take the ball and make a telling pass, sometimes the one pass that eventually lead to the only goal of the game. They might not make the final assist, which is why they never make the assist lists, but the action that lead to the goal started with them. Mikel, who's played further upfield for Nigeria but further back at Chelsea, is the ideal man to do both - if his legs and lungs are still working. He also works the other direction. Batth, Chester, and Bruno will look like better players, because Mikel will protect them defensively just in front of them and will cover them, if one of then is led too far wide or upfield. He's one of the main reason we walked away from the Den with no goals conceded, granted, not the only reason, of course.
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Sept 15, 2020 20:08:41 GMT
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Sept 15, 2020 20:08:41 GMT
At last the Whelan replacement
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Post by chad on Sept 15, 2020 20:13:42 GMT
The less he seems to do the better he will be playing On that basis Berahino must be a genius 😊
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 15, 2020 20:54:26 GMT
It was a solid performance, cover the back four and play it simple, job done.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2020 21:00:26 GMT
He played a forward pass on the ground and that split two defenders.
What more do people want.
A forward pass that required technical precision. Just lovely.
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Sept 15, 2020 21:13:36 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 15, 2020 21:13:36 GMT
A lot of it's about the positioning in that role. Quietly being in the right place to pick up possession or get a toe in and win the ball back.
I thought he looked rusty but did the job he was asked to do.
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Sept 15, 2020 21:34:34 GMT
Post by marylandstoke on Sept 15, 2020 21:34:34 GMT
Why do people twist what was said, all I said is that he did nothing that Cousins couldn't have contributed. Yes Mikel is a much better player, that's not in doubt. I’d say Mikel is a ‘creative’ DM (if there is such a thing) in the sense that he’ll break up play but also distribute the ball sensibly to start us on the front foot. Cousins is a ‘destructive’ DM (more like Whelan) in that he’ll win the ball and just give it to the nearest Stoke player - not always constructively, and often backwards. So I wouldn’t agree that he could do the same job. I would very much say that there’s is such a thing and hammer, meet nail Edit:wrote this then was at the bottom, scrolled back up and saw kpsja(sp?) had said it all better. So. Sorry.
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Post by mickstupp on Sept 15, 2020 21:34:39 GMT
His role this season is critical to any success we might have. It’s imperative that he gets fit and lasts the pace because we’ve been crying out for a decent holding midfielder for years.
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Sept 15, 2020 21:45:52 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Sept 15, 2020 21:45:52 GMT
We definitely need someone who can play that role well. It may be JOM, but we really need to look at how he performs over the next 7 or 8 games before making out he’s a sure fire success. Darren Fletcher looked good for the first few games, before it became obvious that his body and eye were letting him down. The game against Millwall was played at a slow enough pace that JOM handled it okay. I think it’s going a bit over the top to say he was the best of our midfield- it’s only an opinion and in mine they were all much of a muchness- they all stuck to their task but were pretty non- creative. He might very well become a critical player for us, but as I say, let’s see a bit more of him first.
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Sept 15, 2020 21:58:19 GMT
Post by BuzzB on Sept 15, 2020 21:58:19 GMT
He played a forward pass on the ground and that split two defenders. What more do people want. A forward pass that required technical precision. Just lovely. He did, now that is something that Cousins cannot do, as much as I like his work ethic JC is a very limited footballer v JOM
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Post by sd22 on Sept 15, 2020 22:06:45 GMT
Most people forget the key thing about DMs
They have played their best game when you haven’t noticed them on the pitch. They’re not there to do the spectacular, I doubt Mikel will even be the hard tackling type, but rather, positionally aware and beautifully anonymous.
Also that little neat slipped pass to Powell on Saturday was artistic.
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Sept 15, 2020 22:17:57 GMT
Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2020 22:17:57 GMT
Most people forget the key thing about DMs They have played their best game when you haven’t noticed them on the pitch. They’re not there to do the spectacular, I doubt Mikel will even be the hard tackling type, but rather, positionally aware and beautifully anonymous. Also that little neat slipped pass to Powell on Saturday was artistic. I hope he imposes himself a bit more that that, one persons 'beautifully anonymous' is another persons 'hopelessly anonymous' !
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 15, 2020 22:41:53 GMT
Surely, what I don't think has been mentioned yet about class players, is their reading of the game which means they are always in the right place. As such this means it always looks as if they are doing nothing any other player couldn't do - just getting a toe in, just picking up the loose ball, just being there to receive a short pass, just recycling the ball without looking spectacular. I noticed on Saturday how often JOM watched two players go for the ball and just knew where to stand to get the second ball or how often he received the ball and immediately played the ball forwards. Alright some of his passes went astray but he is not match fit yet but it was so refreshing to see a Stoke player receive the ball and know immediately what he wanted to do with it rather than just look for someone to pass to then just pass sideways. We played the ball forward far quicker with him in the team and I'm not talking about lumping it forward.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 15, 2020 23:05:35 GMT
It's difficult, because the television is a hopeless medium for properly watching the match and understanding a player like Mikel.
That said, he won headers in front of the back four, which we've needed for a long time, and started off two of our fancier intricate passing moves. I accept that there was some rust in there, but it was a reasonable start.
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Sept 16, 2020 8:07:09 GMT
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Post by sd22 on Sept 16, 2020 8:07:09 GMT
Most people forget the key thing about DMs They have played their best game when you haven’t noticed them on the pitch. They’re not there to do the spectacular, I doubt Mikel will even be the hard tackling type, but rather, positionally aware and beautifully anonymous. Also that little neat slipped pass to Powell on Saturday was artistic. I hope he imposes himself a bit more that that, one persons 'beautifully anonymous' is another persons 'hopelessly anonymous' ! I get that haha!! However there has been many a time, especially with kante for Leicester that year when I asked ‘where is Kante!?’ As Leicester went on to to win by two or three. Fernandinho is the same also! If you asked some on here he’s ‘disappeared’ and ‘useless’. Take him out of the team and they have the potential to be rinsed completely!
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Sept 16, 2020 13:46:21 GMT
Post by femark on Sept 16, 2020 13:46:21 GMT
At last the Whelan replacement Threads like this make me sure he's a Whelan replacement.
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Sept 16, 2020 14:01:32 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 16, 2020 14:01:32 GMT
At last the Whelan replacement Threads like this make me sure he's a Whelan replacement. All we need is a Walters replacement and the only way is up
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