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Post by salopstick on Aug 10, 2021 14:54:59 GMT
PSG easy option All about cash I think it's also about his reputation too, he's left it a bit late in his career to be starting again in another country. The French league playing for PSG is a much easier option than battling it away in the Premier League whichever side he was to join.
I dont think playing for PSG enhances his reputation. Ronaldo signing for juventus was a harder move
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 10, 2021 15:05:53 GMT
It's disappointing, but didn't Messi say his main aim was to win the Champions League again? If so, PSG might be his best chance. Imagine him playing a 60+ game season for a Premier League team and being burnt out towards the end of it. He can take it easier in the French league and be at his absolute best when it really matters.
PSG has never won the European Cup/Champions League, so if Messi can help them win that, it'll be massive to interrupt the Spain/Italy/England/Germany domination since the Champions League's inception.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 10, 2021 15:09:07 GMT
I think it's also about his reputation too, he's left it a bit late in his career to be starting again in another country. The French league playing for PSG is a much easier option than battling it away in the Premier League whichever side he was to join.
I dont think playing for PSG enhances his reputation. Ronaldo signing for juventus was a harder move
I took moon to mean that a move to PSG simply saves any risk of ruining his reputation/legacy, rather than the move actually adding to his reputation.
Playing for PSG in Ligue 1 is pretty much guaranteeing trophies, moving to the Prem would give no guarantees really and he doesn't want to go out on his career playing for a club that won bugger all.
Personally, i'd prefer it if he DID do a Ronaldo and give somewhere a try that isn't a dead cert for success. As someone earlier said, with his money i'd be tempted to go to a shitty little club and give them a season in the media spotlight and the fans something to be optimistic about. I think that'd be a great way to be remembered....but in the history books "The great Messi signs for Wycombe Wanderers" would just look like a great that had fallen down the ranks and would be shit PR for his "legacy", particularly in today's age of people thinking that all that matters in history are facts (with little to no regard of any background context of those facts).
He's just taking an easy option to "protect the legacy". I don't blame him to be honest, just think it's a bit of an easy gig.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 10, 2021 15:13:46 GMT
I dont think playing for PSG enhances his reputation. Ronaldo signing for juventus was a harder move I took moon to mean that a move to PSG simply saves any risk of ruining his reputation/legacy, rather than the move actually adding to his reputation. Playing for PSG in Ligue 1 is pretty much guaranteeing trophies, moving to the Prem would give no guarantees really and he doesn't want to go out on his career playing for a club that won bugger all. Personally, i'd prefer it if he DID do a Ronaldo and give somewhere a try that isn't a dead cert for success. As someone earlier said, with his money i'd be tempted to go to a shitty little club and give them a season in the media spotlight and the fans something to be optimistic about. I think that's be a great way to be remembered....but in the history books "The great Messi signs for Wycombe Wanderers" would just look a great that had fallen down the ranks and would be shit PR for his "legacy", particularly in today's age of people tihnking that all that matters are facts (with little to no regard of any background context of those facts). He's just taking an easy option to "protect the legacy". I don't blame him to be honest, just think it's a bit of an easy gig.
fair one. Messi moving to PSG enhances Ronaldoβs reputation
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 10, 2021 15:16:54 GMT
I took moon to mean that a move to PSG simply saves any risk of ruining his reputation/legacy, rather than the move actually adding to his reputation. Playing for PSG in Ligue 1 is pretty much guaranteeing trophies, moving to the Prem would give no guarantees really and he doesn't want to go out on his career playing for a club that won bugger all. Personally, i'd prefer it if he DID do a Ronaldo and give somewhere a try that isn't a dead cert for success. As someone earlier said, with his money i'd be tempted to go to a shitty little club and give them a season in the media spotlight and the fans something to be optimistic about. I think that's be a great way to be remembered....but in the history books "The great Messi signs for Wycombe Wanderers" would just look a great that had fallen down the ranks and would be shit PR for his "legacy", particularly in today's age of people tihnking that all that matters are facts (with little to no regard of any background context of those facts). He's just taking an easy option to "protect the legacy". I don't blame him to be honest, just think it's a bit of an easy gig.
fair one. Messi moving to PSG enhances Ronaldoβs reputation
Man City should have not bothered with Grealish and just bought Messi and Ronaldo together.
Those 2 and Pep....that's 1 hell of a 3 way Premiership ego off!
It'll actually be interesting to see how Neymar's ego handles it to be honest. I saw he posted some soppy post about them being "back together again", but i was always under the impression that Neymar HATED being in Messi's shadow at Barca.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 15:23:39 GMT
PSG easy option All about cash Mercenary Professional
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Post by warringtonstokie on Aug 10, 2021 15:28:32 GMT
I dont think playing for PSG enhances his reputation. Ronaldo signing for juventus was a harder move
I took moon to mean that a move to PSG simply saves any risk of ruining his reputation/legacy, rather than the move actually adding to his reputation.
Playing for PSG in Ligue 1 is pretty much guaranteeing trophies, moving to the Prem would give no guarantees really and he doesn't want to go out on his career playing for a club that won bugger all.
Personally, i'd prefer it if he DID do a Ronaldo and give somewhere a try that isn't a dead cert for success. As someone earlier said, with his money i'd be tempted to go to a shitty little club and give them a season in the media spotlight and the fans something to be optimistic about. I think that'd be a great way to be remembered....but in the history books "The great Messi signs for Wycombe Wanderers" would just look like a great that had fallen down the ranks and would be shit PR for his "legacy", particularly in today's age of people thinking that all that matters in history are facts (with little to no regard of any background context of those facts).
He's just taking an easy option to "protect the legacy". I don't blame him to be honest, just think it's a bit of an easy gig.
Ronaldo did go somewhere for an easy ride. Theyβd won the league NINE years in a row, even PSG didnβt manage that, it was the easiest possible place for him to go in the top 5 leagues.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 10, 2021 16:46:09 GMT
I took moon to mean that a move to PSG simply saves any risk of ruining his reputation/legacy, rather than the move actually adding to his reputation.
Playing for PSG in Ligue 1 is pretty much guaranteeing trophies, moving to the Prem would give no guarantees really and he doesn't want to go out on his career playing for a club that won bugger all.
Personally, i'd prefer it if he DID do a Ronaldo and give somewhere a try that isn't a dead cert for success. As someone earlier said, with his money i'd be tempted to go to a shitty little club and give them a season in the media spotlight and the fans something to be optimistic about. I think that'd be a great way to be remembered....but in the history books "The great Messi signs for Wycombe Wanderers" would just look like a great that had fallen down the ranks and would be shit PR for his "legacy", particularly in today's age of people thinking that all that matters in history are facts (with little to no regard of any background context of those facts).
He's just taking an easy option to "protect the legacy". I don't blame him to be honest, just think it's a bit of an easy gig.
Ronaldo did go somewhere for an easy ride. Theyβd won the league NINE years in a row, even PSG didnβt manage that, it was the easiest possible place for him to go in the top 5 leagues.
No, they hadn't.
Ronaldo joined at the start of the 2018/2019 season, Juve had won 7 in a row before that not NINE, and in that same time PSG had won 6 out of 7 (and were over 30 pts clear of 2nd in one of those seasons).
In terms of which european club is more attractive prospect wise for the player and the future of the club, PSG are massively more attractive as Juve have been in massive debt for years, with their grip on the title coming down to usually just a few points over the last few years and last year only sneaking 4th on the last day (and their debt is still growing, with last year being their record ever loss), whilst PSG have been rich as fuck for a decade, have been paying their debts (nearly 70mill paid last year) and now have no interest bearing debt at all. There's a reason they almost always attract far bigger players than Juve now.
In terms of titles, very little in it..in terms of how they'll fare in the future (which will be paramount in any potential new player's mind, especially a player who has a career long reputation to consider), PSG are a far "easier" option to take a gamble on than Juve and were even when Ronaldo joined.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that Ronaldo went to some poor, shitty, no mark side as a new challenge to test himself, simply that PSG is an easier ride than Juve all day long, particuarly in terms of future prospects and protecting your legacy.
Like i said, i'm also not blaming Messi for going there. Ronaldo has made a career of showing what he can do at several different clubs in several different leagues, whereas many have criticised Messi for only ever doing it in what was already basically the best side on the planet for much of the time he was there and not proving himself anywhere else. His gamble is far bigger than Ronaldo's as he knows that there will be people ("haters" as they're now called, i believe) just waiting to trot out the old "See, he can't do it for X, he only looked good because he was at Barca" line. His reputation (and keeping it in tact) will be a MASSIVE part of who he chooses to sign for after working for so many years to build it up (and rightly so), so PSG is a far easier and safer option than Juve...it just is.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 10, 2021 20:27:08 GMT
Ronaldo did go somewhere for an easy ride. Theyβd won the league NINE years in a row, even PSG didnβt manage that, it was the easiest possible place for him to go in the top 5 leagues. No, they hadn't. Ronaldo joined at the start of the 2018/2019 season, Juve had won 7 in a row before that not NINE, and in that same time PSG had won 6 out of 7 (and were over 30 pts clear of 2nd in one of those seasons).
In terms of which european club is more attractive prospect wise for the player and the future of the club, PSG are massively more attractive as Juve have been in massive debt for years, with their grip on the title coming down to usually just a few points over the last few years and last year only sneaking 4th on the last day (and their debt is still growing, with last year being their record ever loss), whilst PSG have been rich as fuck for a decade, have been paying their debts (nearly 70mill paid last year) and now have no interest bearing debt at all. There's a reason they almost always attract far bigger players than Juve now.
In terms of titles, very little in it..in terms of how they'll fare in the future (which will be paramount in any potential new player's mind, especially a player who has a career long reputation to consider), PSG are a far "easier" option to take a gamble on than Juve and were even when Ronaldo joined. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that Ronaldo went to some poor, shitty, no mark side as a new challenge to test himself, simply that PSG is an easier ride than Juve all day long, particuarly in terms of future prospects and protecting your legacy. Like i said, i'm also not blaming Messi for going there. Ronaldo has made a career of showing what he can do at several different clubs in several different leagues, whereas many have criticised Messi for only ever doing it in what was already basically the best side on the planet for much of the time he was there and not proving himself anywhere else. His gamble is far bigger than Ronaldo's as he knows that there will be people ("haters" as they're now called, i believe) just waiting to trot out the old "See, he can't do it for X, he only looked good because he was at Barca" line. His reputation (and keeping it in tact) will be a MASSIVE part of who he chooses to sign for after working for so many years to build it up (and rightly so), so PSG is a far easier and safer option than Juve...it just is.
The Italian league is tougher than France. There is more competition in the Scottish league than france
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2021 20:31:07 GMT
Messi ain't got the minerals for English football, we all know it.
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Post by fplstokegeneral on Aug 10, 2021 21:10:54 GMT
I can imagine a lot of people at Man City tonight will be thinking βwhat if weβd waited a week before we signed Jack Grealishβ. Donβt get me wrong, Grealish is the future but sometimes youβve got to live in the now. Theyβve just spent Β£100m + Β£230K per week for 6 years for Grealish whereas they could of had Messi for free + Β£500K per week for 2 years. Thatβs crazy! Grealish is great but Messi is a huge global brand and can do anything Grealish can do and more better. Huge opportunity kissed goodbye and PSG have won the lottery.
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Post by alsagerstokie on Aug 10, 2021 21:33:10 GMT
No, they hadn't. Ronaldo joined at the start of the 2018/2019 season, Juve had won 7 in a row before that not NINE, and in that same time PSG had won 6 out of 7 (and were over 30 pts clear of 2nd in one of those seasons).
In terms of which european club is more attractive prospect wise for the player and the future of the club, PSG are massively more attractive as Juve have been in massive debt for years, with their grip on the title coming down to usually just a few points over the last few years and last year only sneaking 4th on the last day (and their debt is still growing, with last year being their record ever loss), whilst PSG have been rich as fuck for a decade, have been paying their debts (nearly 70mill paid last year) and now have no interest bearing debt at all. There's a reason they almost always attract far bigger players than Juve now.
In terms of titles, very little in it..in terms of how they'll fare in the future (which will be paramount in any potential new player's mind, especially a player who has a career long reputation to consider), PSG are a far "easier" option to take a gamble on than Juve and were even when Ronaldo joined. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that Ronaldo went to some poor, shitty, no mark side as a new challenge to test himself, simply that PSG is an easier ride than Juve all day long, particuarly in terms of future prospects and protecting your legacy. Like i said, i'm also not blaming Messi for going there. Ronaldo has made a career of showing what he can do at several different clubs in several different leagues, whereas many have criticised Messi for only ever doing it in what was already basically the best side on the planet for much of the time he was there and not proving himself anywhere else. His gamble is far bigger than Ronaldo's as he knows that there will be people ("haters" as they're now called, i believe) just waiting to trot out the old "See, he can't do it for X, he only looked good because he was at Barca" line. His reputation (and keeping it in tact) will be a MASSIVE part of who he chooses to sign for after working for so many years to build it up (and rightly so), so PSG is a far easier and safer option than Juve...it just is.
The Italian league is tougher than France. There is more competition in the Scottish league than france Oh dear have you seen who won the league last year not PSG. Lille which is competition isnt it.
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Post by superjw on Aug 10, 2021 21:34:08 GMT
I can imagine a lot of people at Man City tonight will be thinking βwhat if weβd waited a week before we signed Jack Grealishβ. Donβt get me wrong, Grealish is the future but sometimes youβve got to live in the now. Theyβve just spent Β£100m + Β£230K per week for 6 years for Grealish whereas they could of had Messi for free + Β£500K per week for 2 years. Thatβs crazy! Grealish is great but Messi is a huge global brand and can do anything Grealish can do and more better. Huge opportunity kissed goodbye and PSG have won the lottery. No matter what cash Man city could throw at Messi, he would never come to the Premier League. If he wanted to, he would have done so years ago.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 10, 2021 23:44:04 GMT
The Italian league is tougher than France. There is more competition in the Scottish league than france Oh dear have you seen who won the league last year not PSG. Lille which is competition isnt it. And Juve only just sneaked into 4th on the last day of the season, which is more competition than PSG isn't it.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 11, 2021 0:40:29 GMT
I can imagine a lot of people at Man City tonight will be thinking βwhat if weβd waited a week before we signed Jack Grealishβ. Donβt get me wrong, Grealish is the future but sometimes youβve got to live in the now. Theyβve just spent Β£100m + Β£230K per week for 6 years for Grealish whereas they could of had Messi for free + Β£500K per week for 2 years. Thatβs crazy! Grealish is great but Messi is a huge global brand and can do anything Grealish can do and more better. Huge opportunity kissed goodbye and PSG have won the lottery. I think amazon have won the lottery with having broadcasting rights for.lige 1
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Post by Nandoβs kid on Aug 11, 2021 0:53:37 GMT
Iβve read some pure waffle on here, Ronaldo to Juventus was a certain for success, not as much as Messi for PSG, Messi could easily hack the prem without a doubt, in Man Cityβs team under pep he would be unstoppable, The Ronaldo messi argument isnβt helped by messi moving to PSG because the done it more leagues argument is pointless, maldini the undoubted potential best CB ever, played at Milan for 15 years, Ramos potentially one of the best CBS ever has been at Real Madrid almost his whole career, messi is on track to beat Ronaldo in ever single stat that an attacker aspires for, heβs already scored more non pen goals than penaldo and he has 2 years on him as well, heβs also on track to get his 7th balβon dor, no one can tell me the seria A is a hard league, where a 38 yr old sampadoria striker has scored more than ronaldo in recent seasons
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 11, 2021 2:22:54 GMT
Iβve read some pure waffle on here, Ronaldo to Juventus was a certain for success, not as much as Messi for PSG, Messi could easily hack the prem without a doubt, in Man Cityβs team under pep he would be unstoppable, The Ronaldo messi argument isnβt helped by messi moving to PSG because the done it more leagues argument is pointless, maldini the undoubted potential best CB ever, played at Milan for 15 years, Ramos potentially one of the best CBS ever has been at Real Madrid almost his whole career, messi is on track to beat Ronaldo in ever single stat that an attacker aspires for, heβs already scored more non pen goals than penaldo and he has 2 years on him as well, heβs also on track to get his 7th balβon dor, no one can tell me the seria A is a hard league, where a 38 yr old sampadoria striker has scored more than ronaldo in recent seasons I think the βpenaldoβ bit was my fave.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 11, 2021 2:30:58 GMT
I can imagine a lot of people at Man City tonight will be thinking βwhat if weβd waited a week before we signed Jack Grealishβ. Donβt get me wrong, Grealish is the future but sometimes youβve got to live in the now. Theyβve just spent Β£100m + Β£230K per week for 6 years for Grealish whereas they could of had Messi for free + Β£500K per week for 2 years. Thatβs crazy! Grealish is great but Messi is a huge global brand and can do anything Grealish can do and more better. Huge opportunity kissed goodbye and PSG have won the lottery. No matter what cash Man city could throw at Messi, he would never come to the Premier League. If he wanted to, he would have done so years ago. Not quite the point is it, he didnβt want to go to the French league either
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 11, 2021 3:08:07 GMT
fair one. Messi moving to PSG enhances Ronaldoβs reputation Man City should have not bothered with Grealish and just bought Messi and Ronaldo together. Those 2 and Pep....that's 1 hell of a 3 way Premiership ego off!
It'll actually be interesting to see how Neymar's ego handles it to be honest. I saw he posted some soppy post about them being "back together again", but i was always under the impression that Neymar HATED being in Messi's shadow at Barca.
One reason he left Barcelona was he wanted to be the main man. Which isn't as shyte as it sounds. The problem was Paris were the only ones who could match his wages. Neymar was the best in the world for a while but there was a resistance to acknowledging it. Going to Paris tarnished his status.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 11, 2021 4:57:46 GMT
Man City should have not bothered with Grealish and just bought Messi and Ronaldo together. Those 2 and Pep....that's 1 hell of a 3 way Premiership ego off!
It'll actually be interesting to see how Neymar's ego handles it to be honest. I saw he posted some soppy post about them being "back together again", but i was always under the impression that Neymar HATED being in Messi's shadow at Barca.
One reason he left Barcelona was he wanted to be the main man. Which isn't as shyte as it sounds. The problem was Paris were the only ones who could match his wages. Neymar was the best in the world for a while but there was a resistance to acknowledging it. Going to Paris tarnished his status. Neymar never has and never will be the best in the world. Maybe in a 5 a side.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 11, 2021 7:12:30 GMT
One reason he left Barcelona was he wanted to be the main man. Which isn't as shyte as it sounds. The problem was Paris were the only ones who could match his wages. Neymar was the best in the world for a while but there was a resistance to acknowledging it. Going to Paris tarnished his status. Neymar never has and never will be the best in the world. Maybe in a 5 a side. He was for a while.
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Post by zerps on Aug 11, 2021 7:13:49 GMT
I think it's also about his reputation too, he's left it a bit late in his career to be starting again in another country. The French league playing for PSG is a much easier option than battling it away in the Premier League whichever side he was to join.
I dont think playing for PSG enhances his reputation. Ronaldo signing for juventus was a harder move Heβs gone down in my estimation for signing for that non entity club. He could have gone anywhere.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 11, 2021 7:14:25 GMT
Neymar never has and never will be the best in the world. Maybe in a 5 a side. He was for a while. When was this?
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 11, 2021 7:26:58 GMT
Between 2014 - 2016. He was colossal for Barcelona and was a huge factor in them being European Champions. He waa also huge for Brazil in Brazil before the injury. And I don't think he dropped off. He just didn't grow. One of the hallmarks of great players is getting better as the engine wears down The obvious two both did and the extras in their games left Neymar behind. Well, he was probably lying on the ground actually. π
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Post by salopstick on Aug 11, 2021 7:51:59 GMT
Between 2014 - 2016. He was colossal for Barcelona and was a huge factor in them being European Champions. He waa also huge for Brazil in Brazil before the injury. And I don't think he dropped off. He just didn't grow. One of the hallmarks of great players is getting better as the engine wears down The obvious two both did and the extras in their games left Neymar behind. Well, he was probably lying on the ground actually. π How does that compare to bale in 2012/13
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Post by moon on Aug 11, 2021 8:05:15 GMT
Between 2014 - 2016. He was colossal for Barcelona and was a huge factor in them being European Champions. He waa also huge for Brazil in Brazil before the injury. And I don't think he dropped off. He just didn't grow. One of the hallmarks of great players is getting better as the engine wears down The obvious two both did and the extras in their games left Neymar behind. Well, he was probably lying on the ground actually. π He was quality around that time, but I'm not sure he was even the best at Barcelona as both Messi and Suarez were on fire. I think Neymar never had the right attitude to be the very best, he's never been anywhere close to Ronaldo for me, who is by far and away the best there has been in my lifetime, the only one to come close is Messi.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 11, 2021 10:51:59 GMT
Between 2014 - 2016. He was colossal for Barcelona and was a huge factor in them being European Champions. He waa also huge for Brazil in Brazil before the injury. And I don't think he dropped off. He just didn't grow. One of the hallmarks of great players is getting better as the engine wears down The obvious two both did and the extras in their games left Neymar behind. Well, he was probably lying on the ground actually. π How does that compare to bale in 2012/13 Bale spent several years amongst the world's best. He's well worth his medals.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 11, 2021 12:13:36 GMT
Dam the 12 oatcakes were not enough should have offered 13 π
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Post by bingbang on Aug 11, 2021 12:41:38 GMT
Just seen them at the Messi news conference, now thatβs how you create an atmosphere, drums and all.
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 11, 2021 13:10:04 GMT
Dam the 12 oatcakes were not enough should have offered 13 π ITK here. I believe he had accepted the 12 Oatcakes,but,it activated a fillings clause in his contract regarding sausage, egg and cheese and the tea ladies at CW refused totally.
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