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Post by independent on Jul 11, 2021 12:16:01 GMT
Paddy Power donating 10K to grassroots football in Ireland for each goal England score in the Euros. And 20K for each goal that Rice or Grealish score. They call it a backstabber bonus.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 11, 2021 12:49:38 GMT
No need to sell, just bring in some football people who know what they are doing FFS.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 11, 2021 13:14:16 GMT
I mean, yes we can be very pleased with their commitment, but just as the Leicester owners are committed to their cause... And many other owners who aren't local, we shouldn't let the idea of being 'local' influence oyr ability to criticise and evaluate. Massive failures recently have not been accounted for. Fans have absolutely no say, and I may argue are irrelevant for the most part, as part of the club. The international following and the time for revolutionising the ancient workings of our tired old club were 8-10 years ago, not today. Now we must do so on an absolute shoe string in a sport (and global environment) which money rules. So yeah, thanks for being loyal and committed, but you fucked up, and the fans need reconnecting with the club at its very core somehow... How? I don't know to be honest, the club is an almost autonomous failure at present with zero outside intervention (except ffp...). I think they have backed every manager as much as possible. If they hadn't a lot of people on this messageboard would have gone really mad! Maybe that has been the biggest problem that they have put too much faith in the managers appointed, but you can't question their commitment. I was really excited about Rowett being appointed, but unfortunately it didn't work out and too much money was spent on the wrong players. I must admit I wasn't too keen of the Jones appointment, but I can understand why they went for him. Unfortunately he was even worse than Rowett, but I have much more faith in MON who seems to know what he is doing. It has to be done gradually, but I can really see us heading in the right direction now.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 11, 2021 13:21:05 GMT
Paddy Power donating 10K to grassroots football in Ireland for each goal England score in the Euros. And 20K for each goal that Rice or Grealish score. They call it a backstabber bonus. Their marketing is pretty impressive to be fair
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Post by musik on Jul 11, 2021 15:56:21 GMT
I can't see it happen. In Sweden we have days when more than 50% of all tv commercials are from different betting companies. Svenska spel Unibet Betsson Bet 365 Casinostugan Come on! Vera & John Me Green Maria Casino Snabbare com Cherry casino . . . I’m quite fascinated by the style of betting commercials. Three or four years ago the adverts were all playing into “lad culture”. The theme being “Are you one of the lads?! Then gamble!” Then for a while they were all about encouraging people to try and outthink the bookies: “You’re the professor. You’ve got a system and you know the odds. You’re smart enough to win this” Then more recently they were all about gambling responsibly as the bookies tried to deflect the negative press. “We’ve got deposit limits and allow users to freeze their account if they’re gambling too much…” And now it seems we’ve gone full circle again back to the laddish ones. Especially the new Paddy Power one with Crouch in it. Is it the same in Sweden? I have never seen a gambling commercial here about deposit limits or gambling responsibility of any kind. Our Svenska spel, earlier called Tipstjänst, always present a commercial about some guys betting together. It has always been that way, about friendship and relaxation and excitement. In 1934 the company Tipstjänst applied for a permit from the state to conduct gambling activities. They got the permission but had to have a state inspector. That's how it all started in Sweden. And still to this day it feels like your gambling at the state. I only use them. Commercials from Unibet are always also about people coming together and bet. If I had to see a trend it has to be that every company present their advantages compared to others more now. Snabbare com is about getting your money quicker and the betting procedure is quicker. And some company say their advantage is you don't have to have an account with money as a deposit to bet. And one company say they are bigger than everybody else. "Bigger is relative." I'm not one of those betting on single games or a few games. I would say a full football coupon is much more popular here, 13 games it is. I've done that for 50 years. Started before I went to school the first time.
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Post by s7oke on Jul 11, 2021 16:16:18 GMT
I may be narrow minded but I couldn’t think of any better owners than the ones we currently have And I wouldn’t swap them for any owners of any other club. Man City owners are the only ones that realistically could be any good. But they aren’t English and English owners are my preference. They also know what this club means to the community and are true fans which is rare in this day and age. So mr Coates carry on please and like all good business men or women learn from errors made and long may you own the club I love. learn from errors made=The mans 83 In my opinion he has got one thing right in that time = Pulis, after numerous failed appointments, and the trend of failures continues Be careful what you wish for We could have a Mike Ashley type I do t see people queuing to buy Stoke and plough millions in If the Pulis thing was right then that’s great But also he bought us back as promised Which owners at clubs don’t make mistakes After all it’s their money they are ploughing in not ours As well as the countless millions they plough into the local area And the jobs that they provide Who else would do this Don’t be ungrateful
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Post by walrus on Jul 11, 2021 17:41:43 GMT
I’m quite fascinated by the style of betting commercials. Three or four years ago the adverts were all playing into “lad culture”. The theme being “Are you one of the lads?! Then gamble!” Then for a while they were all about encouraging people to try and outthink the bookies: “You’re the professor. You’ve got a system and you know the odds. You’re smart enough to win this” Then more recently they were all about gambling responsibly as the bookies tried to deflect the negative press. “We’ve got deposit limits and allow users to freeze their account if they’re gambling too much…” And now it seems we’ve gone full circle again back to the laddish ones. Especially the new Paddy Power one with Crouch in it. Is it the same in Sweden? I have never seen a gambling commercial here about deposit limits or gambling responsibility of any kind. Our Svenska spel, earlier called Tipstjänst, always present a commercial about some guys betting together. It has always been that way, about friendship and relaxation and excitement. In 1934 the company Tipstjänst applied for a permit from the state to conduct gambling activities. They got the permission but had to have a state inspector. That's how it all started in Sweden. And still to this day it feels like your gambling at the state. I only use them. Commercials from Unibet are always also about people coming together and bet. If I had to see a trend it has to be that every company present their advantages compared to others more now. Snabbare com is about getting your money quicker and the betting procedure is quicker. And some company say their advantage is you don't have to have an account with money as a deposit to bet. And one company say they are bigger than everybody else. "Bigger is relative." I'm not one of those betting on single games or a few games. I would say a full football coupon is much more popular here, 13 games it is. I've done that for 50 years. Started before I went to school the first time. Interesting! I think the deposit limits type commercials here were clearly a response to an intensifying view that gambling companies are operating irresponsibly and have a duty to protect their customers. Part of a wider Puritanical trend in a small but powerful part of UK society.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 11, 2021 20:14:03 GMT
We just need to bring in more professional execs and football strategists - we’re not the sort of club that would be particularly attractive to an outside interest and wouldn’t want to see foreign ownership in any shape or form as it rarely works at our level.....
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 13, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gainedcontrol of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 13, 2021 11:04:39 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 13, 2021 11:09:37 GMT
Embarrassing post, really the OP should be careful what he wishes for have a chat with Derby fans etc what real bad owners bring
We had fantastic years under Pulis and Hughes and no reason why they won't return under MON and if they do we will need the Coates money
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Post by toppercorner on Jul 13, 2021 11:12:42 GMT
the Coates family are the best thing that has happened to this club, (and the city in hundreds of years, since Josiah Wedgwood starting knocking about with his clay).
I simply cannot think of any alternative that would even be a fraction better.
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Post by retrostoke on Jul 13, 2021 18:57:38 GMT
What a crazy post.
Basically Coates was guilty of not accepting Stoke as a Championship club again and gambled everything on bouncing back in 2 years. Seems like blind loyalty and passion for the club he loves probably meant his heart ruled his head and he made some rash decisions but clarity of foresight is an incredibly rare commodity and hindsight is the gift of everyone.
Ironic really that the family make their billions from people betting with their heart not their head but hey ho apart from Bayern I didn’t see many posters urging caution as we chucked everything we could at a swift return.
The Coates family do the city proud. Respect to them for all they do for the club and for the city
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Post by hardcastle on Jul 13, 2021 19:11:43 GMT
Once we've sorted the deadwood out, we can return to 'losing' an average of £13 million a year i.e. Coatesey is permitted to subsidize our transfer business / higher than average salaries by that figure.
Who else is going to do that?
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Post by pretzel on Jul 14, 2021 17:56:34 GMT
Can you imagine the meltdown on here if BET365 did actually sell Stoke and then bought into a different but well run club with less financial clout? Like a Brentford for instance.
Wouldnt this also mean that under employment law, we'd still be saddled with teflon Tone whose million pound a year contract would have to be Tupe'd over to the new owner?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 14, 2021 18:20:25 GMT
I really can't see any advantage by selling the club to foreign owners or to someone who just want profit or a new playground!
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