Coates, sell the club now before it dies a slow death.

[crazyhorse]

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

[Deleted]

A mediocre decade in the Premier League, really?

I don't envisage a massive queue to buy the club I'll be honest......

[citynickscfc]

Your asking Johnny to still his old boys club? Ha ha ha ,😂. No chance. The tax returns and legal evasions see it a successful venture

[franklin66]

Nobody would want it.

[benjaminbiscuit]

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

Best stop administration and or worse how many people do you think would be. Interested in subsiding our wage Bill versus our collapsing income .Thegr made mistakes but we need them but they need to re-evaluate with the terror and Branch reform they promised starting with the ceo

[Fred Merger]

They won't sell the club while Peter is alive. I'm sure of that!

[JurgenVandeurzen]

Who the hell is going to buy it?

[xchpotter]

He must be contemplating it. Why would he want the the hassle. His investment is diminishing before his very eyes and this is going to get ugly. The club is a sick animal and needs to be dispatched and Coates doesn’t have the time to get them back to the top. He’s getting on now and sadly for him I doubt very much that he will see his beloved club playing in the top league again. I reckon he will throw in the towel at the end of the season as I think he has as much guts for a fight as the useless charlatons wearing red and white on the pitch.

[mickstupp]

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

I’m sure people are queuing up as we speak to buy stoke city

[kustokie]

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

I agree with everything with one exception.  He is not a self-made millionaire.  That’s a myth that is constantly repeated.  He owned a few high-Street betting shops and catering business.  He loaned a Denise money to start BET365 because she saw a great business opportunity.  She paid daddy back and gave him some pocket money to buy Stoke so he would have something to do and keep out of the way.  

[TrentValePotter96]

Problem is nobody will buy us, we were a tough sell even before covid.

Ultimately we cant spend our way out of our problems. If we go down to League One we will try and out spend the division. And then wonder why we finished behind Peterborough and Doncaster.

We need new people. Coates Jr and Scholes to go, and Coates Sr to step back

[Lakeland Potter]

Jun 30, 2020 22:25:55 GMT kustokie said:

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

I agree with everything with one exception.  He is not a self-made millionaire.  That’s a myth that is constantly repeated.  He owned a few high-Street betting shops and catering business.  He loaned a Denise money to start BET365 because she saw a great business opportunity.  She paid daddy back and gave him some pocket money to buy Stoke so he would have something to do and keep out of the way.  

He IS a self made £millionaire. When he was born his family would be regarded as being poor by almost any standard you care to use. When he sold his betting shops to fund Denise's plans for bet365 he WAS certainly a £millionaire. And those £millions were earned by his own efforts - they certainly weren't given to him. He is currently a multi £millionaire due to his minority share holding in bet365, not due to any gifts or handouts from Denise. He is no different to any investor who provides funds for a start up company in return for a share stake in that company. He doesn't have a large enough stake to exert control over bet365 but, because of his shareholding, he is probably in the top few percent of the population in terms of his OWN wealth.

[Deleted]

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

Wigan and Sheff Weds both in the midst of points deduction. Chinese and Thai owners. Some can't see what's in front of them.' Lucked' our way into the Prem by automatic promotion and a decade there. Utter tripe

[werrington]

I fucking despair at some threads and this one has gone straight in at number 1

[telfordstokie]

I’d have probably agreed with much (if not all) of the opening post a few days ago but the Wigan situation has changed my mind. Better to be owned by an imperfect but wealthy local family who do actually care about the club than some faceless corporate interest who could pull the plug from thousands of miles away at any time.

[tosh]

Wigan Athletic was sold to Hong Kong investors on 4th June. One month later the promised cash has not come into the club and it is in administration, and may be relegated.
They’ve made many mistakes, but the Coates family has the financial means, the motivation, and as far as we know the desire to turn this nightmare period around.
Be careful what you wish for!

[Cast no shadow]

I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365.

[scfc75]

A few wins and we’re in great hands.
A few defeats and we’re a shambles.

The good people of the Oatcake never fail to impress.

[Championship Potter]

He’s supported this club more than anyone else ever would, and also thrown loads of money at our last three managers. No complaints whatsoever from me. I expect plenty more backroom changes (and arguably Coates should have acted sooner on this), but you have to give them some of benefit of the doubt given they were the same backroom that guided us through 10 years in the Prem.

We aren’t entitled to success. Hiring the right manager and getting the right players in has a good amount of fortune involved. Look at how much Man Utd have struggled since losing Ferguson and how Arsenal are struggling since Wenger.

[heyupowd]

I don't want different owners, but I do want the present ones to wake up, admit their failings and Employ someone who knows what they are doing to run the club for them, a Technical Director.

[Deleted]

If we go down to League One we will follow in the footsteps of Leicester, Southampton, Wolves and Norwich in the last 10-15 years. So there is a way back, providing we are focused on ridding the dead wood from the club on and off the pitch, and changing the mentality from top to bottom including a root and branch change in our recruitment strategy. Don't be afraid to give youth a chance, and focus on young, hungry players with a point to prove, rather than expensive plodders on the way down.

I think O'Neill could be the man to do that, but it will also require the backing and patience of the fans. The aforementioned clubs all kept the core of their fan base, would we? I think we all know the answer to that.

We can bounce back, but the chances of a new owner being interested enough and of the Coates family taking such a financial hit in selling will be almost zero I would suggest.....

[estrangedsonoffaye]

I think what’s just happened with Wigan shows us we are in a fortunate position in terms of funds. I have major critiques of the Coates family, their methods in the past 4 years, their mind boggling trust in certain chancers and their aloofness in the media. But one cannot question their financial commitment to the club since 2017. (Albeit poorly spent and badly structured)

But, in an uncertain financial world, where pernicious owners are becoming more and more commonplace I think the. withdrawing their funding would compound a disaster. That said, I don’t think they should be exempt from criticism nor from pressure. But for a brief couple of chants a few years ago, we have barely targeted the upper echelons of the club, yet in my opinion is this where our biggest problems lie. Too many players, managers and staff have come and gone for this to be bad luck, something has to change structurally. If the Coates can manage that without pulling funding its the ideal scenario, though I am skeptical as to whether they would.

But Covid has changed the game, clubs will go under and Wigan is just the tip of the iceberg. Though much of the last 10 years has been burnt to the ground, we still remain financially viable. But I do believe the time for letting them live on good will is gone. They need to be told some home truths, if they love the club, they should listen.

[werrington]

I’m actually more concerned by the fact a few people have “liked” the thread

Fucking embarrassing

[Deleted]

Wonder what Blackburn would give for a Jack Walker now instead of the clucking Venkys ?

[19notbeaten72]

Jun 30, 2020 22:08:28 GMT crazyhorse said:

In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times.

Let that sink in for a moment!

It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show.

Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis.

Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity.

So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes.

1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.

I do believe that most of what you say is very true but who is going to come in & buy us the right time to sell would have been when we were in the premier league & had some value. Trying to sell a club thats sinking fasting than the titanic is going to be impossible & has very little value.

[Deleted]

The decade in the Prem was far from mediocre, ffs. If you can't enjoy that, you need to find another sport.

In terms of backing, from where I've been sat, we've had enormous backing from the family, admittedly underpinned by big PL money, but the spend's been huge.

Poor decisions have been made, granted.

[Deleted]

Jul 2, 2020 11:53:24 GMT werrington said:

I’m actually more concerned by the fact a few people have “liked” the thread

Fucking embarrassing

One is called SCFCInce though, & I'm not sure where that leaves us....

[spitthedog]

Jun 30, 2020 22:17:31 GMT JurgenVandeurzen said:

Who the hell is going to buy it?

Precisely.

Only a nutter would buy this football club.

and that's exactly what we would get....a nutter!


as for 'mediocre 10 years in the Prem'

How many clubs outside the big 6 have the opportunity to get 10 mediocre years in the Prem' not that I would call them mediocre.
You can count them on one hand probably.

[chiswickpotter]

Jul 2, 2020 11:46:06 GMT Cast no shadow said:

I believe our 10 year in top flight has helped massively with the rise of bet365.

Don’t be daft. Bet365 is the best run gambling company in the world and it’s success reflects this. Stoke City are a tiny part of the turnover currently about 1% and with a tiny brand presence relative to Bet365. They would probably have grown faster if they had invested the money they have spent on the football club on advertising

[Pretty Little Boother]

Fuck this, Coates in.