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Post by mowlee on Jul 2, 2020 21:39:53 GMT
The only gripe I have with the Coates set up is the pick of managers when u have all the money in the world too pay a good proven manager.. u pick Jones.. why even risk it.. I don’t understand.. stoke could of had any manager they wanted.. money not a issue.. an they pick Jones.. don’t see the point in risks as billionaires
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2020 21:41:02 GMT
Chosing managers isn't that easy though there's always a lot of risk, we've just been unfortunate that we're having a bad run of them. Re Jones, I don't think he had much of a choice tbh, he was hugely limited by the previous overspend, he had a very small group of players to chose from, I'm not particually sticking up for him but I doubt many of them would have been on his list if he had money to spend. It isn't easy when you know nothing about football and are lazy arsed about recruiting one. Even football people get manager appointments wrong.
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Post by mowlee on Jul 2, 2020 21:41:33 GMT
stoke have money too burn.. Leeds don’t.. they just dropped on the right manager Do we? Why are our current LB choices Bruno Martins Indi and Stephen Ward? Like I said... having billionaire owners makes our situation more laughable. if stoke wanted a 3/4 million left back on 30 grand a week they could get one
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2020 21:43:03 GMT
Do we? Why are our current LB choices Bruno Martins Indi and Stephen Ward? Like I said... having billionaire owners makes our situation more laughable. if stoke wanted a 3/4 million left back on 30 grand a week they could get one Yet we didn't. We took the cheap option of 34 year old Stephen Ward after James Justin went to Leicester. We've got a history of doing it. Who is making that decision? Get them gone.
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Post by mowlee on Jul 2, 2020 21:46:42 GMT
if stoke wanted a 3/4 million left back on 30 grand a week they could get one Yet we didn't. We took the cheap option of 34 year old Stephen Ward after James Justin went to Leicester. We've got a history of doing it. Who is making that decision? Get them gone. i agree mate.. we should get things done.. but surely that’s down too the managers last word
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 2, 2020 21:47:36 GMT
True. Maybe it’s more the decisions they make to appoint new managers which then leads to them buying shit. They obviously don’t know a thing about football. Let’s be honest anybody who knows a bit about football knew Nathan jones was buying shit and it shouldn’t be a shock to any stoke fans why we are where we are. Chosing managers isn't that easy though there's always a lot of risk, we've just been unfortunate that we're having a bad run of them. Re Jones, I don't think he had much of a choice tbh, he was hugely limited by the previous overspend, he had a very small group of players to chose from, I'm not particually sticking up for him but I doubt many of them would have been on his list if he had money to spend. I get what you mean re jones but I don’t think he could have bought any shitter players than he did. Regards picking a manager there was only one man that could have had a chance in changing our fortunes and that’s TP. I know that’s not popular but it’s about th club not what people think of him and I’m not his biggest fan but he has the knack of getting poor players to tick
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 21:48:41 GMT
The only gripe I have with the Coates set up is the pick of managers when u have all the money in the world too pay a good proven manager.. u pick Jones.. why even risk it.. I don’t understand.. stoke could of had any manager they wanted.. money not a issue.. an they pick Jones.. don’t see the point in risks as billionaires No they couldn't - no fucker was interested in the job.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 2, 2020 21:50:50 GMT
Tbf it could go 2 ways though couldn’t it. Look at wolves and Leeds they haven’t looked back but it would be our luck it would go tits up Took Wolves a few bashes to get it right, as for Leeds It did and tbh I think it’s guna take us as long if not longer
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2020 21:55:29 GMT
Yet we didn't. We took the cheap option of 34 year old Stephen Ward after James Justin went to Leicester. We've got a history of doing it. Who is making that decision? Get them gone. i agree mate.. we should get things done.. but surely that’s down too the managers last word Nathan Jones is a mentalist but I don't think even he is that daft. I don't want to keep on bringing it up but Scholes arrogantly dismissing us not having a LB is alarming and sums up our problems perfectly. I'd be looking at those people before blaming the manager & co.
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Post by banx10 on Jul 2, 2020 21:56:43 GMT
Nah. Lets stick with them. Can’t be having Far East owners that are dodgy crooks!
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Post by mowlee on Jul 2, 2020 21:57:45 GMT
Saturdays a big day for us.. that big I think if we win we stay up if we lose we go down
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 22:00:41 GMT
i agree mate.. we should get things done.. but surely that’s down too the managers last word Nathan Jones is a mentalist but I don't think even he is that daft. I don't want to keep on bringing it up but Scholes arrogantly dismissing us not having a LB is alarming and sums up our problems perfectly. I'd be looking at those people before blaming the manager & co. I just don't get what its got to do with Scholes - he is a bean counter and not a football director, its quite bizarre if that is true. What are his roles and responsibilities, does anyone actually know?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 2, 2020 22:01:01 GMT
We have decent owners who in the climate are as good as it gets. The problem is the mismanagement by Scholes and Scholes jr. The backings there.
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Post by mowlee on Jul 2, 2020 22:04:24 GMT
Let’s face it we can pull our weight with transfers in the prem never mind the championship.. it’s just that people won’t want too come too us anymore
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:06:05 GMT
The thought of these owners with money to spend in League One frightens the living piss out of me.
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 22:06:44 GMT
Let’s face it we can pull our weight with transfers in the prem never mind the championship.. it’s just that people won’t want too come too us anymore We are not exactly the 'go to club' are we?
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 22:07:49 GMT
The thought of these owners with money to spend in League One frightens the living piss out of me. They will not be spending much believe me.
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Post by datguy on Jul 2, 2020 22:08:32 GMT
Let’s face it we can pull our weight with transfers in the prem never mind the championship.. it’s just that people won’t want too come too us anymore FFP is a serious problem. We got lucky this season because it seemed like we might have been in big trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:08:57 GMT
The thought of these owners with money to spend in League One frightens the living piss out of me. They will not be spending much believe me. I know. It was a token post. Our first signing will be 38 year old Ade Akinfenwa on a free.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 2, 2020 22:24:05 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. Wigan and Sheff Weds both in the midst of points deduction. Chinese and Thai owners. Some can't see what's in front of them.' Lucked' our way into the Prem by automatic promotion and a decade there. Utter tripe I hope you’ve spotted the link here? All teams struggling have owners whose countries have good food? Can we please avoid Mexican, Texan, Indian, French and Italian owners! May I suggest a country with bland, uninteresting food? Canada? Norway? Any other suggestions?😜
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Post by loosestools on Jul 2, 2020 22:26:57 GMT
Wigan and Sheff Weds both in the midst of points deduction. Chinese and Thai owners. Some can't see what's in front of them.' Lucked' our way into the Prem by automatic promotion and a decade there. Utter tripe I hope you’ve spotted the link here? All teams struggling have owners whose countries have good food? Can we please avoid Mexican, Texan, Indian, French and Italian owners! May I suggest a country with bland, uninteresting food? Canada? Norway? Any other suggestions?😜 Burslem
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2020 22:41:39 GMT
Chosing managers isn't that easy though there's always a lot of risk, we've just been unfortunate that we're having a bad run of them. Re Jones, I don't think he had much of a choice tbh, he was hugely limited by the previous overspend, he had a very small group of players to chose from, I'm not particually sticking up for him but I doubt many of them would have been on his list if he had money to spend. I get what you mean re jones but I don’t think he could have bought any shitter players than he did. Regards picking a manager there was only one man that could have had a chance in changing our fortunes and that’s TP. I know that’s not popular but it’s about th club not what people think of him and I’m not his biggest fan but he has the knack of getting poor players to tick Can't agree re TP he isn't the only manager that is capable of what we needed, MON showed that for a brief moment before he decided to throw it all away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 22:43:57 GMT
They will not be spending much believe me. I know. It was a token post. Our first signing will be 38 year old Ade Akinfenwa on a free. knows where the goal is......
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Post by march4 on Jul 2, 2020 22:49:21 GMT
They will not be spending much believe me. I know. It was a token post. Our first signing will be 38 year old Ade Akinfenwa on a free. Good player.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 5:23:47 GMT
I know. It was a token post. Our first signing will be 38 year old Ade Akinfenwa on a free. Good player. Anyone else on here and I know they'd be having a laugh. You're being serious. Man alive.
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Post by colnepotter on Jul 3, 2020 6:32:13 GMT
I fucking despair at some threads and this one has gone straight in at number 1 Yep. Eased the lockdown too quickly in my view. A couple of defeats and the R number for half wits goes through the roof. Second wave this season as predicted.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 3, 2020 6:48:21 GMT
Mad thread. In the current climate we need these owners, look at Wigan. They have their faults, but they bring stability other clubs would love. Biggest fault too soft.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jul 3, 2020 8:32:43 GMT
One of, if not the most ridiculous threads I have ever read on here. We had 10 years of Premiership football, that created memories that whole family’s of Stoke fans will treasure forever and you call it mediocre. I honestly hate to think where we would be without Coates. We would have probably just finished 10 mediocre seasons in the lower end of the Championship.
Sack Pulis the fans said, they did. Sack Hughes the fans said, they did. Appoint Rowett the fans said, they did. Sack Rowett the fans said, they did.
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 3, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Mad thread. In the current climate we need these owners, look at Wigan. They have their faults, but they bring stability other clubs would love. Biggest fault too soft. Exactly. Here’s an update in this morning’s press re Wigan that could easily be us if the Coates family sold up as Whelan did. This should send a chill down the spine of any Stoke fan with more than one brain cell. BM 'Earlier on Thursday, administrators said there was a one in four chance Wigan may not see out the season. If they are unable to play their fixtures, the club will be in danger of folding. Gerald Krasner, one of three administrators, said he expects to unearth an 'incredible' financial mess that has brought the Championship club to its knees, and he confirmed that there is no prospect of Wigan's owners, Next Leader Fund, putting 'one penny' in after purchasing the club only last month. 'If we don't solve it and sell it, yes, it is as bad as Bury,' Krasner said. 'The ultimate sanction is liquidation.' International Entertainment Corporation, fronted by professional poker player Stanley Choi, sold their stake for £17.5million last month to another Hong Kong-based company, which was majority-owned by the same man at the time of the deal. Wages are due to be paid on Friday, of which 30 per cent is understood to have been deferred. But Krasner could not guarantee those will be honoured. The club are thought to need in the region of £6m for ongoing costs.'
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 3, 2020 10:53:55 GMT
The only gripe I have with the Coates set up is the pick of managers when u have all the money in the world too pay a good proven manager.. u pick Jones.. why even risk it.. I don’t understand.. stoke could of had any manager they wanted.. money not a issue.. an they pick Jones.. don’t see the point in risks as billionaires No they couldn't - no fucker was interested in the job. Peak bullshit. There would be a queue a mile long for the Stoke job.
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