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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 9, 2020 17:59:38 GMT
Whilst I would not want them to sell your comparisson to Sunderland is interesting given that they sit just 12 places below us. When are we allowed to criticise them, when we are below Sunderland ? When we are in a L1 relegation battle or when we are playing the Vale in L2. I get the sentiment but if you take a look at where we currently sit we are not much better off now than when they took over, the PL years and millions invested mean absolutely nothing if we play L1 football next season and with all their best intentions if you hopelessly stand by your failing employees that have allowed this to happen then ultimately the responsinility falls on you the owner for not acting sooner, but hey "whats all the fuss about"?? When are we allowed to criticise?' So critiscism is sell before the Club dies a slow death? Who is trying to buy the Club, is the Coates family blocking a sale? A colleague of mine is an avid Sutherland supporter, who regularly visits this board. He is amazed by the amount of stick our owners get. The title of the thread is beyond stupid. Please read the post before responding. I said I dont want them to sell. And as for your Sunderland pal he may get his wish if this carries on for another year, just a reminder Sunderland were 3 points of promotion before their season ended we are now 4th bottom 1 point off relegation. I thought the point of football was success not being owned by locals who are happy to watch us sink faster than the Titanic with the most expensively assembled squad and highest paid this league has ever seen. An honest question, when do you start to question the owners ? If we go down will you honestly just say, oh well we had those 10 years ? I dont question John Coates commitment, financially or his good intentions. I question that he has done nothing of any merit in his entire life other than live in his fathers shadow and now he is being exposed when given the chance to make a namr for himself. If he really does have the best interests of the club he/the family need to find someone to run the club if Peter wants to remain in retirement.
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Post by stantheman on Jul 9, 2020 18:01:34 GMT
When are we allowed to criticise?' So critiscism is sell before the Club dies a slow death? Who is trying to buy the Club, is the Coates family blocking a sale? A colleague of mine is an avid Sutherland supporter, who regularly visits this board. He is amazed by the amount of stick our owners get. The title of the thread is beyond stupid. Please read the post before responding. I said I dont want them to sell. And as for your Sunderland pal he may get his wish if this carries on for another year, just a reminder Sunderland were 3 points of promotion before their season ended we are now 4th bottom 1 point off relegation. I thought the point of football was success not being owned by locals who are happy to watch us sink faster than the Titanic with the most expensively assembled squad and highest paid this league has ever seen. An honest question, when do you start to question the owners ? If we go down will you honestly just say, oh well we had those 10 years ? I dont question John Coates commitment, financially or his good intentions. I question that he has done nothing of any merit in his entire life other than live in his fathers shadow and now he is being exposed when given the chance to make a namr for himself. If he really does have the best interests of the club he/the family need to find someone to run the club if Peter wants to remain in retirement. Like Dave Whelan did?
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Post by citynickscfc on Jul 9, 2020 18:02:37 GMT
What an idiotic post. Completely brainless and lacking perspective. The club is stuck in the 80's you Muppet, chip and pin is considered revolutionary.... The club structure is as weak as piss, the recruiting system is diabolical and non existent, the club but for unknown and unseen fortunes are is bankrupt and yet such failures should not be laid at the hands of the board??? I think the cubs lack of appreciation, investment and understanding of its fan base embodies the in competencies of this "club". Oh and yes, these same failures were still existent during "the good times" of the prem, they were just masked by management success basically, built on the spine of TP and the attractiveness of money and mark Hughes as a manager. When the spine crumbled, the club literally fell apart...every other structure that seems inherently rotten and bleeding cash paid bare to see. Pretty disgusting really, and so sad. Despite the braindead start to your post, you actually made a good point about chip & pin. The rest I couldn't be bothered to read. I've just given up watching our pathetic attempts on TV as well. What a great night. Sorry for your illiteracy, perhaps you should resort to picture related websites if your not capable/willing to read on a forum based on, erm, reading and posting. The manager is a hero when the team does well yes, but the board should still be critiqued. Anyway, this club is fucked for the foreseeable future anyway. Everything outside the premiership is unheard of, little reported and not even appropriate with regards to the world of football. Our demise is well covered but it's still absolutely astonishing. Lessons learnt. I, like many others I believe, are teetering on just giving it up. Having to drive to a telecommunications tower to watch the game on the mobile phone in Lapland and watching us be destroyed as if it were a champions League finalist playing against us is flu deeply saddening, in the championship, goes much have we thrown down the toilet again?
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Post by miggoscfc on Jul 9, 2020 18:13:23 GMT
Please read the post before responding. I said I dont want them to sell. And as for your Sunderland pal he may get his wish if this carries on for another year, just a reminder Sunderland were 3 points of promotion before their season ended we are now 4th bottom 1 point off relegation. I thought the point of football was success not being owned by locals who are happy to watch us sink faster than the Titanic with the most expensively assembled squad and highest paid this league has ever seen. An honest question, when do you start to question the owners ? If we go down will you honestly just say, oh well we had those 10 years ? I dont question John Coates commitment, financially or his good intentions. I question that he has done nothing of any merit in his entire life other than live in his fathers shadow and now he is being exposed when given the chance to make a namr for himself. If he really does have the best interests of the club he/the family need to find someone to run the club if Peter wants to remain in retirement. Like Dave Whelan did? What does Dave Whelan have to do with Stoke City ?
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Post by Goonie on Jul 9, 2020 18:14:53 GMT
It's the squad that need removing (bar the odd exception)
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jul 9, 2020 18:25:14 GMT
All the players bar Powell, Bruno and Joe ( assuming they would stay ) , Scholes and Coates Jr, MoN and backroom mob, that fat twat of a physio who waddles on SHOULD ALL GO......
Appoint a foreign coach (no not Scottish, Welsh or Irish Peter), and a big hitting commercial / financial director with a proven track record,(not necessarily in Football) and a couple of gurus who can breathe a whole new culture and 21st century approach to running the club from top to bottom - maybe from B365 who knows......
Everything has to change OR we wither on the vine.......
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 9, 2020 18:36:56 GMT
It's the squad that need removing (bar the odd exception) If I could, I would give them all their P45’s. To go through a season and get promoted, they all need to be playing consistently well..... on it every game. There’s just sooooo many ‘1 in 8 ‘ players for my liking.... and ‘1in 8’ is being generous. If they could turn that into 1good game in every 2 then we’d be laughing. The table never lies and Leeds have been head and shoulders above the whole division this season if we’re honest. They can all go and stack shelves in Lidl for me.... they’d probably fuck that up n all !!!😂
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Post by musik on Jul 10, 2021 22:44:17 GMT
Sell. Is this still a good idea or now even better?
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2021 22:45:51 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 10, 2021 22:49:40 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? That's a bit of an elephant in the room. I don't think it'll be slung out completely but the scale of involvement will have to be modified.
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2021 22:51:27 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? That's a bit of an elephant in the room. I don't think it'll be slung out completely but the scale of involvement will have to be modified. The new option to have an adult replica shirt without the advertising, I mean, corporate sponsors, speaks volumes.
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Post by march4 on Jul 10, 2021 22:52:11 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? They can only stop them advertising. The Coates family will still be able to bankroll us as they see fit.
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2021 22:52:41 GMT
Open question: Have you ever tried explaining betting to a child? And then follow it up with how and why Denise Coates is one of the richest women on the planet?
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Post by skip on Jul 10, 2021 22:53:25 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? They can only stop them advertising. The Coates family will still be able to bankroll us as they see fit. May as well be Phillip Morris tobacco for the good it does to individuals and society.
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Post by musik on Jul 10, 2021 23:53:28 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? That's a bit of an elephant in the room. I don't think it'll be slung out completely but the scale of involvement will have to be modified. I can't see it happen. In Sweden we have days when more than 50% of all tv commercials are from different betting companies. Svenska spel Unibet Betsson Bet 365 Casinostugan Come on! Vera & John Me Green Maria Casino Snabbare com Cherry casino . . .
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Post by marylandstoke on Jul 10, 2021 23:57:52 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? I’ll bet you that’s not happening soon.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 11, 2021 0:38:53 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 11, 2021 1:05:39 GMT
Open question: Have you ever tried explaining betting to a child? And then follow it up with how and why Denise Coates is one of the richest women on the planet? Denise Coates gets rich off the casual betters who have 30 £10 accumulators a season, and maybe win one. And the people with cash to burn who will have thousands on a donkey. I recently self-isolated from pokerstars and my skybet account (which was about £400 in profit) was automatically locked. The betting companies are getting better and better at responsible gambling.
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Post by s7oke on Jul 11, 2021 4:28:47 GMT
I may be narrow minded but I couldn’t think of any better owners than the ones we currently have And I wouldn’t swap them for any owners of any other club.
Man City owners are the only ones that realistically could be any good. But they aren’t English and English owners are my preference. They also know what this club means to the community and are true fans which is rare in this day and age.
So mr Coates carry on please and like all good business men or women learn from errors made and long may you own the club I love.
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 11, 2021 8:19:22 GMT
I fucking despair at some threads and this one has gone straight in at number 1 He has cast his net and caught plenty of fish by the look of it.The thread is actually ridiculous and replying to the op is as senseless as the ill thought out tripe he/she posted. Has to be a wind up.Have to say it's a bit concerning that 3 people have liked the post.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 11, 2021 8:30:01 GMT
I may be narrow minded but I couldn’t think of any better owners than the ones we currently have And I wouldn’t swap them for any owners of any other club. Man City owners are the only ones that realistically could be any good. But they aren’t English and English owners are my preference. They also know what this club means to the community and are true fans which is rare in this day and age. So mr Coates carry on please and like all good business men or women learn from errors made and long may you own the club I love. 100% agree and the Man City point is interesting i to k our owners are Edey bit as good in terms of support the difference being the city owners have appointed the very beet people available to run it abs we have consistently abs studiously Ignored that model and sadly that what’s cost the owners abs club. So dear As the 31st Richest club in the world our answer to moles of. Crisis was Tony Scholes and Paul Lambert , that selection of operators is the the only valid criticism of the owners
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 11, 2021 8:41:38 GMT
I may be narrow minded but I couldn’t think of any better owners than the ones we currently have And I wouldn’t swap them for any owners of any other club. Man City owners are the only ones that realistically could be any good. But they aren’t English and English owners are my preference. They also know what this club means to the community and are true fans which is rare in this day and age. So mr Coates carry on please and like all good business men or women learn from errors made and long may you own the club I love. learn from errors made=The mans 83 In my opinion he has got one thing right in that time = Pulis, after numerous failed appointments, and the trend of failures continues
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Post by drfootball on Jul 11, 2021 8:49:12 GMT
What happens when betting companies are slung out of football/sport, like tobacco and alcohol? They can only stop them advertising. The Coates family will still be able to bankroll us as they see fit. What's the attraction of bankrolling the club without the commercial benefit of the advertising exposure ? I don't see why they'd do it. When Coates senior goes Denise will happily wash her hands of it and Coates junior isn't capable of running it.
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Post by Onneravineet on Jul 11, 2021 8:53:30 GMT
In the best part of the century or so before Peter Coates gained control of the club, Stoke had spent a total of 1 (one) season in Division 3. Then consider that this will be the 3rd time that he has relegated us to Division 3 in his various tenures. Yes, that's 3 times. Let that sink in for a moment! It should be clear to everyone by now that he, his family and their sycophantic hangers on (Scholes etc.) have absolutely no fucking idea how to run a football club. They lucked their way into the PL, no doubt arrogantly thinking it was solely their genius that got us there. They've all been massively found out now and they have absolutely no idea how to arrest our decline. Stoke is just a hobby, a useful distraction from their main business interests, and will be discarded like an old train set as soon as John gets bored, or more when likely Denise calls time on the whole shit show. Given that he has the worst record of any Stoke chairman in our long and undistinguished history, it is beyond me why so many Stoke fans think we should bend the knee to "St. Peter" just because he once got us to the Top Flight...where we'd spent the majority of our time before he fucking showed up anyway. It's cringeworthy, servile, unambitious bollox. The Coates family are one of the richest club owners in the world, if they had any ambition, any magnificence in their souls, Stoke would be competing for cups and European places on a regular basis. Instead, we had a mediocre decade in the PL and departed without a fight and a reputation for being a horrible hoofball team that everyone was glad to see the back of. It will take decades for us to shake that reputation if indeed, we ever do. John seems a nice bloke TBF but he's fucking clueless and so out of his depth its scary. Peter, like many self made millionaires, is arrogant, condescending and thinks everyone with a penny less than him (i.e. our fans) is a peasant...he's basically Mr Burns without the laughs. I remember Coates MK1 (and his infamous Golden share) and how much he was despised by all Stoke fans as he went about stripping the club of its assets and its dignity. So go now please Peter, John et al, sell us to someone who has some ambition and enough nous to install experienced football people to run the club. I'll take my chance with the Chinese, Portuguese etc, basically anyone who has ambitions to be more than drab and mediocre. It might work out, it might not, but to me a roll of the dice now is preferable to the slow death of the club that we are seeing played out before our eyes. 1 x FA Cup final, 2 x promotions and 4 x relegations. A fucking piss poor show for a family of local multi-billionaires who profess to love the club and have owned it for the best part of 30 years. Time to fold your cards and find another hobby, preferably one where you actually know what you're doing. Hahahahaha. Yes Coates do this and then we can commit suicide instantly
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 11, 2021 9:09:22 GMT
Their implementation can be questioned and rightly criticised but their intentions never can.
Whilst the current owners are in place, we will always have a club with a chance of dining at the top table of English football.
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Post by march4 on Jul 11, 2021 9:23:26 GMT
They can only stop them advertising. The Coates family will still be able to bankroll us as they see fit. What's the attraction of bankrolling the club without the commercial benefit of the advertising exposure ? I don't see why they'd do it. When Coates senior goes Denise will happily wash her hands of it and Coates junior isn't capable of running it. Without the Coates family we could have disappeared without trace when the Icelanders sold up. Instead we experienced the return of TP, promotion, Prem football, an FA Cup Final and European football. The club is exceptionally safe in their hands. Their biggest fault was being too loyal to Hughes and not sacking him a year earlier.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2021 9:28:27 GMT
2 questions.
What dick head started this thread and
Why is this thread still going.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 11, 2021 9:40:25 GMT
I hope they never will sell! I really like that we are owned by local people who are brought up as supporters of Stoke City Football Club, may it last forever I say!
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Post by citynickscfc on Jul 11, 2021 9:59:06 GMT
I mean, yes we can be very pleased with their commitment, but just as the Leicester owners are committed to their cause... And many other owners who aren't local, we shouldn't let the idea of being 'local' influence oyr ability to criticise and evaluate.
Massive failures recently have not been accounted for. Fans have absolutely no say, and I may argue are irrelevant for the most part, as part of the club. The international following and the time for revolutionising the ancient workings of our tired old club were 8-10 years ago, not today. Now we must do so on an absolute shoe string in a sport (and global environment) which money rules.
So yeah, thanks for being loyal and committed, but you fucked up, and the fans need reconnecting with the club at its very core somehow... How? I don't know to be honest, the club is an almost autonomous failure at present with zero outside intervention (except ffp...).
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Post by walrus on Jul 11, 2021 10:13:42 GMT
That's a bit of an elephant in the room. I don't think it'll be slung out completely but the scale of involvement will have to be modified. I can't see it happen. In Sweden we have days when more than 50% of all tv commercials are from different betting companies. Svenska spel Unibet Betsson Bet 365 Casinostugan Come on! Vera & John Me Green Maria Casino Snabbare com Cherry casino . . . I’m quite fascinated by the style of betting commercials. Three or four years ago the adverts were all playing into “lad culture”. The theme being “Are you one of the lads?! Then gamble!” Then for a while they were all about encouraging people to try and outthink the bookies: “You’re the professor. You’ve got a system and you know the odds. You’re smart enough to win this” Then more recently they were all about gambling responsibly as the bookies tried to deflect the negative press. “We’ve got deposit limits and allow users to freeze their account if they’re gambling too much…” And now it seems we’ve gone full circle again back to the laddish ones. Especially the new Paddy Power one with Crouch in it. Is it the same in Sweden?
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