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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 13:56:22 GMT
One of the best players this season and we just loan him out!! Ill trust MON knows what he is doing and maybe there are things going on behind the scenes. But there is an underlying question that needs to be answered - does he only trust British players? We know hard-working British players can only get you so far. We need to still look at the foreign transfer market Indi isn’t British. McClean isn’t either. Etebo and NDiaye both were moveable assets, it would be much harder to get something for Woods. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 13:56:49 GMT
Another reason to lay into the manager - hurrah.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2020 13:56:57 GMT
To be fair we hardly have a very cosmopolitan squad. I don’t give a crap where they’re from if they actually want to play and they have at least some level of competence. Two things which a lot of our recent players haven’t displayed. I don’t get why you’d make the pool you’re fishing in smaller tbh but that’s just me. And it isn’t but our best left back is Dutch, our best midfielders were Senegalese and Nigerian and our best striker imo (and this one is very subjective I get) is Senegalese too. None have had a look in, which I find odd. Diouf has been brought back in to the squad hasn’t he? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 13:58:26 GMT
I don’t get why you’d make the pool you’re fishing in smaller tbh but that’s just me. And it isn’t but our best left back is Dutch, our best midfielders were Senegalese and Nigerian and our best striker imo (and this one is very subjective I get) is Senegalese too. None have had a look in, which I find odd. Diouf has been brought back in to the squad hasn’t he? Bought back in, scores a winner and then barely used since. It’s been really odd. Barring Vokes’ performance yesterday, he’s done way more than him in the few minutes he had but was barely used. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2020 14:00:26 GMT
Another reason to lay into the manager - hurrah. Not 24 hours since we won. Away. Scoring 5. I think whining has just become a habitual response for some Stoke fans. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2020 14:00:55 GMT
On loan? Is this for fucking real?.. shambles. The only surprise it's not some crappy loan to Turkey. At least this lot COULD (just could) make it permanent. Reasonable chance of qualifying for Europe again next year, and in the last 32 of the Europa League this year It'd be interesting to know what fee the purchase option is for, but can't see any way it'd be more than what we paid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:02:17 GMT
On loan? Is this for fucking real?.. shambles. He wasn’t tearing up trees in the second tier though was he? If he was winning player of the month, scoring or getting assists, then maybe he’d be getting actual offers, but for a team doing well in La Liga, why would you take the risk? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 2, 2020 14:02:37 GMT
Weird one. Dont think he's done anything to devalue himself so surely we must be looking to make some sort of profit. Can't see Getafe meeting what we paid for him let alone give us more money. Yes strange. He might be the best trainer, he might also have been a complete lazy arse. Who knows. It’s not beyond possibility that MON has a better replacement lined up? One that wants to play for Stoke? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 14:02:49 GMT
Another reason to lay into the manager - hurrah. Not 24 hours since we won. Away. Scoring 5. I think whining has just become a habitual response for some Stoke fans. It’s almost like we shoot ourselves in the foot.... |
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Post by Stokester on Jan 2, 2020 14:06:04 GMT
Of course a permanent deal would be much better, but the fact we've shifted £60-£70k a week (assuming the loans are paying all the wages), at a time when we are under massive financial pressure, is something to be celebrated, just two days into the window being open?
Think we just have to trust MON here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:07:23 GMT
Diouf has been brought back in to the squad hasn’t he? Bought back in, scores a winner and then barely used since. It’s been really odd. Barring Vokes’ performance yesterday, he’s done way more than him in the few minutes he had but was barely used. He’s been out of the team for a full season and didn’t have a pre-season. He likely needs to get fit, but Vokes on as a sub in the last 3-4 looked to offer us something, and in the last game was very good. Diouf is woeful at right wing, so he had to compete with Gregory, Vokes and Campbell for one spot. This narrative of O’Neill doesn’t like foreigners is pathetic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:09:19 GMT
No one rewards disinterest. Both Badou and Etebo seemed quite invested in Jones, perhaps they had enough when he left? Regardless, O’Neill mentioned he wasn’t training at the right level, and if he can’t even be arsed to warm up properly, why should he get on the pitch? It’s not like he was ever likely to contribute anything offensively either. Both have been shifted for money reasons. And tbh I don’t think MON fancied either for footballing reasons either. Which I think is a bad thing. They’re the best midfielders we had by a mile. Both should have been used as neither showed a disinterest where it matters. In a team that are underperforming, you can’t just turn around and say ‘we will play these two even if they don’t look interested’ but everyone else needs to work hard to learn a new formation and improve your fitness. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 14:11:33 GMT
Bought back in, scores a winner and then barely used since. It’s been really odd. Barring Vokes’ performance yesterday, he’s done way more than him in the few minutes he had but was barely used. He’s been out of the team for a full season and didn’t have a pre-season. He likely needs to get fit, but Vokes on as a sub in the last 3-4 looked to offer us something, and in the last game was very good. Diouf is woeful at right wing, so he had to compete with Gregory, Vokes and Campbell for one spot. This narrative of O’Neill doesn’t like foreigners is pathetic. He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:11:37 GMT
Another reason to lay into the manager - hurrah. Not really. His original reasons for leaving him out were sketchy at best, disingenuous at worst. Water under the bridge now, along with NDiaye. The bigger issue is the clubs recruitment process in how both players who cost a combined 20M will probably be loaned out repeatedly until they leave for nothing. That's the scandalous part of it all and the ringmaster is still firmly in office. |
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 2, 2020 14:17:53 GMT
Of course a permanent deal would be much better, but the fact we've shifted £60-£70k a week (assuming the loans are paying all the wages), at a time when we are under massive financial pressure, is something to be celebrated, just two days into the window being open? Think we just have to trust MON here. Wish the club would be transparent and say what percentage of wages we are paying for both the loanees out and loanees in, then we would have an even better idea of the incompetence of those charged with responsibility for our transfer policy. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2020 14:34:33 GMT
Do we think Etebo is even on that much?
We signed him from a team with a stadium capacity of 5000 while he was reasonably unheralded.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's on the same kind of wage as the likes of Clucas, Woods, Batth etc. He'll just be a very average earner
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Post by miltonpotter on Jan 2, 2020 14:36:08 GMT
It’s widely documented that him and Badou were lazy as fuck in training, clearly not wanting to get injured jeopardising then a move in January transfer window. I agree both very good footballers to have at championship level and can defo do a job in the premiership, but why do they deserve to tread water all week and expect a shirt at the weekend. Bad attitudes and players just wanting to pick up a decent wage are not what we want, we want fighters who are willing and proud to wear the red & white of Stoke City FC.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 14:37:03 GMT
It’s widely documented that him and Badou were lazy as fuck in training, clearly not wanting to get injured jeopardising then a move in January transfer window. I agree both very good footballers to have at championship level and can defo do a job in the premiership, but why do they deserve to tread water all week and expect a shirt at the weekend. Bad attitudes and players just wanting to pick up a decent wage are not what we want, we want fighters who are willing and proud to wear the red & white of Stoke City FC. Absolutely none of that was evident where it actually matters. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 14:37:23 GMT
Another reason to lay into the manager - hurrah. Not really. His original reasons for leaving him out were sketchy at best, disingenuous at worst. Water under the bridge now, along with NDiaye. The bigger issue is the clubs recruitment process in how both players who cost a combined 20M will probably be loaned out repeatedly until they leave for nothing. That's the scandalous part of it all and the ringmaster is still firmly in office. In terms of negotiating our way through FFP rules, a series of loans, where the loaning club actually covers all of the players wages, could be more beneficial than selling them at a reduced fee that merely exacerbates our losses under FFP rules. Etebo is a strange one because you'd think he has everything O'Neil would want in a player but if he hasn't been displaying an honesty and work ethic in training then he's rightly not been used in my opinion. We've had bad attitudes destroying the team for too long. If you aren't prepared to work hard and bust a gut to play or be involved, then you shouldn't be involved. I support O'Neil 100% in that regardless of who that player may be. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 14:37:58 GMT
Do we think Etebo is even on that much? We signed him from a team with a stadium capacity of 5000 while he was reasonably unheralded. Wouldn't be surprised if he's on the same kind of wage as the likes of Clucas, Woods, Batth etc. He'll just be a very average earner Clucas is most definitely not a very average earner. He's not in Joe Allen territory but he is way above average. Burnley couldn't afford him once we made our offer which gives you some idea as to where his wages sit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:39:29 GMT
He’s been out of the team for a full season and didn’t have a pre-season. He likely needs to get fit, but Vokes on as a sub in the last 3-4 looked to offer us something, and in the last game was very good. Diouf is woeful at right wing, so he had to compete with Gregory, Vokes and Campbell for one spot. This narrative of O’Neill doesn’t like foreigners is pathetic. He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. Diouf could have definitely been brought on instead of Vokes or Campbell at times, but in the long run a fit Vokes is a better all round striker than Diouf and as for Campbell, perhaps with a regular slot he may stay. Diouf may get a shot before the end of the season, especially in a 4-2-3-1, but his lack of inclusion when there are 3 other strikers in contention for 1 starting role is not exactly surprising. In my view, he is better in the air and faster than Vokes, but nowhere near as good in the penalty area. He isn't as fast or as good a shot as Campbell, who is much the younger. He is very similar to Gregory, better in the area, less good at linking up the play and much less game ready. I wouldn't be too surprised if he was let go this season, especially if we were able to secure a long contract with Campbell and given that Afobe may be given a try when he returns preseason. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 2, 2020 14:39:29 GMT
Do we think Etebo is even on that much? We signed him from a team with a stadium capacity of 5000 while he was reasonably unheralded. Wouldn't be surprised if he's on the same kind of wage as the likes of Clucas, Woods, Batth etc. He'll just be a very average earner Clucas is most definitely not a very average earner. Yeah - perhaps he was not the best example to use. Swansea bought him for £15m, didn't they - and would have given him a commensurate contract? So can imagine he's very much amongst our top earners |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 14:40:53 GMT
Clucas is most definitely not a very average earner. Yeah - perhaps he was not the best example to use. Swansea bought him for £15m, didn't they? So can imagine he's very much amongst our top earners Sorry...amended my original response as it came across a bit abrupt. I had to switch to another screen as the big boss walked through the office!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 14:49:14 GMT
Not really. His original reasons for leaving him out were sketchy at best, disingenuous at worst. Water under the bridge now, along with NDiaye. The bigger issue is the clubs recruitment process in how both players who cost a combined 20M will probably be loaned out repeatedly until they leave for nothing. That's the scandalous part of it all and the ringmaster is still firmly in office. In terms of negotiating our way through FFP rules, a series of loans, where the loaning club actually covers all of the players wages, could be more beneficial than selling them at a reduced fee that merely exacerbates our losses under FFP rules. Etebo is a strange one because you'd think he has everything O'Neil would want in a player but if he hasn't been displaying an honesty and work ethic in training then he's rightly not been used in my opinion. We've had bad attitudes destroying the team for too long. If you aren't prepared to work hard and bust a gut to play or be involved, then you shouldn't be involved. I support O'Neil 100% in that regardless of who that player may be. I totally understand the FFP thing. The point I was making is why have we got a complete set of Bauer, Wimmer, Imbula, Etebo and NDiaye that cost approximately 60M between them that we can't sell on to even break even to avoid crystallising losses, and still the man in charge of running the club is still in place, and in certain quarters on here, is actively being praised for managing this current process well? It's an appalling state of affairs. Edit. And stop switching screens. Get back to work you slacker... 😁 |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 2, 2020 14:50:21 GMT
On loan? Is this for fucking real?.. shambles. The only surprise it's not some crappy loan to Turkey. At least this lot COULD (just could) make it permanent. Reasonable chance of qualifying for Europe again next year, and in the last 32 of the Europa League this year It'd be interesting to know what fee the purchase option is for, but can't see any way it'd be more than what we paid. Think we'll be very lucky to get our £6.5M back as long as he isn't going to a PL-team, China or an Arabian country.  |
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Post by medwaypotter on Jan 2, 2020 14:55:33 GMT
He’s been out of the team for a full season and didn’t have a pre-season. He likely needs to get fit, but Vokes on as a sub in the last 3-4 looked to offer us something, and in the last game was very good. Diouf is woeful at right wing, so he had to compete with Gregory, Vokes and Campbell for one spot. This narrative of O’Neill doesn’t like foreigners is pathetic. He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. Coming on for 8 minutes proves fitness ? Massively odd |
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 2, 2020 14:56:43 GMT
Perhaps O'Neill has come in,looked at the results with Etebo and Ndiaye in the team and thought neither can be that good . Who knows And what about every other player in those teams? McClean one of the worst now our best |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 2, 2020 15:07:53 GMT
It’s widely documented that him and Badou were lazy as fuck in training, clearly not wanting to get injured jeopardising then a move in January transfer window. I agree both very good footballers to have at championship level and can defo do a job in the premiership, but why do they deserve to tread water all week and expect a shirt at the weekend. Bad attitudes and players just wanting to pick up a decent wage are not what we want, we want fighters who are willing and proud to wear the red & white of Stoke City FC. It's widely documented that both he and Badou were lazy as fuck in training? Any chance you could provide some links to these widely documented incidents? Many thanks |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 2, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
Gutted, but in O'Neill I trust.
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Post by miltonpotter on Jan 2, 2020 15:14:20 GMT
It’s widely documented that him and Badou were lazy as fuck in training, clearly not wanting to get injured jeopardising then a move in January transfer window. I agree both very good footballers to have at championship level and can defo do a job in the premiership, but why do they deserve to tread water all week and expect a shirt at the weekend. Bad attitudes and players just wanting to pick up a decent wage are not what we want, we want fighters who are willing and proud to wear the red & white of Stoke City FC. It's widely documented that both he and Badou were lazy as fuck in training? Any chance you could provide some links to these widely documented incidents? Many thanks There’s a few about Paul, sentinel and a few outlets on Twitter. Also the manager said Etebo has trained ok but nothing more than ok. |
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