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Post by iglugluk on Jan 2, 2020 15:22:06 GMT
Given his comment on Twitter which disagreed with the managers statement about his fitness, I'm guessing something has gone on behind the scenes between the two of them.. it may even directly relate to the public nature of the disagreement.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 2, 2020 15:27:13 GMT
It's fairly obvious that both Etebo and Badou didn't want to play for us after Jones left and bearing in mind that both of them are on the biggest money it makes sense.
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Post by 16quidachuck on Jan 2, 2020 15:28:48 GMT
Not that bothered. If he was that good we wouldn't be where we are. Didn't do a lot last season either. He is OK at driving with the ball every now and then but no end product.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 15:29:10 GMT
It's fairly obvious that both Etebo and Badou didn't want to play for us after Jones left and bearing in mind that both of them are on the biggest money it makes sense. Allen and Butland are on the highest wage aren't they ? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 2, 2020 15:31:26 GMT
It's fairly obvious that both Etebo and Badou didn't want to play for us after Jones left and bearing in mind that both of them are on the biggest money it makes sense. Allen and Butland are on the highest wage aren't they ? Yes both of those need moving out too but I suspect they haven't made noises that they don't want to play for us. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 15:34:16 GMT
In terms of negotiating our way through FFP rules, a series of loans, where the loaning club actually covers all of the players wages, could be more beneficial than selling them at a reduced fee that merely exacerbates our losses under FFP rules. Etebo is a strange one because you'd think he has everything O'Neil would want in a player but if he hasn't been displaying an honesty and work ethic in training then he's rightly not been used in my opinion. We've had bad attitudes destroying the team for too long. If you aren't prepared to work hard and bust a gut to play or be involved, then you shouldn't be involved. I support O'Neil 100% in that regardless of who that player may be. I totally understand the FFP thing. The point I was making is why have we got a complete set of Bauer, Wimmer, Imbula, Etebo and NDiaye that cost approximately 60M between them that we can't sell on to even break even to avoid crystallising losses, and still the man in charge of running the club is still in place, and in certain quarters on here, is actively being praised for managing this current process well? It's an appalling state of affairs. Edit. And stop switching screens. Get back to work you slacker... 😁 It is and etebo is certainly the odd one in it all. It is both surprising and disappointing if he has become one to fall in the "bed egg" group as he seemed nothing of the sort prior to his injury v sheff wed away. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 2, 2020 15:37:36 GMT
With Etebo and Badou gone and Duffy possibly on his way, surely we're looking to bring in another midfielder?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2020 16:02:18 GMT
He’s been out of the team for a full season and didn’t have a pre-season. He likely needs to get fit, but Vokes on as a sub in the last 3-4 looked to offer us something, and in the last game was very good. Diouf is woeful at right wing, so he had to compete with Gregory, Vokes and Campbell for one spot. This narrative of O’Neill doesn’t like foreigners is pathetic. He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 2, 2020 16:12:56 GMT
He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. They looked like a team as well, all celebrating together. Maybe that's where the issue, the individuals are being isolated and the team players, who want to work together as a unit are being preferred because that's what the manager believes is best. |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 2, 2020 16:16:34 GMT
Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. They looked like a team as well, all celebrating together. Maybe that's where the issue, the individuals are being isolated and the team players, who want to work together as a unit are being preferred because that's what the manager believes is best. United strength is stronger! Back to basics. Makes sense L |
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Post by lordb on Jan 2, 2020 16:23:21 GMT
It's fairly obvious that both Etebo and Badou didn't want to play for us after Jones left and bearing in mind that both of them are on the biggest money it makes sense. Allen and Butland are on the highest wage aren't they ? Wimmer is far and away highest paid followed by Imbula Butland was on significantly less than the likes of Allen |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 16:40:25 GMT
Allen and Butland are on the highest wage aren't they ? Wimmer is far and away highest paid followed by Imbula Butland was on significantly less than the likes of Allen Allen is the highest paid player at Stoke, Wimmer and Imbula had their wages cut on the back of relegation and subsequent non-promotion..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 17:53:42 GMT
He scored a winner, played well and then was barely used. You’re not going to get fit getting splinters in your arse. His use of Diouf has been massively odd. Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. Yes it’s massively odd. He does good things then isn’t seen again hardly. That’s really fucking odd. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 17:54:41 GMT
Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. They looked like a team as well, all celebrating together. Maybe that's where the issue, the individuals are being isolated and the team players, who want to work together as a unit are being preferred because that's what the manager believes is best. Diouf is the epitome of a team player though. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 2, 2020 17:55:50 GMT
An absolute joke. We should be fighting to keep the lad not push him out of the door. Unless we get an exceptionally good offer, don't bother. I have champagne taste but only a Budweiser budget. Can’t be done |
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Post by robinredcoat on Jan 2, 2020 18:03:28 GMT
We are paying a Chief Exec the best part of £1 Million a year and also have a dedicated person to look after player recruitment, contracts etc probably paid not much less. It’s well documented that the price tag in a January window is usually much higher than in the summer due to clubs needing to strengthen. We also had reports earlier in the season of at least 1 premier league manager eulogising over Etebo. How the heck then are we letting two of our most sellable assets go on loan without getting a decent transfer fee for them? Add to that the fact we are letting one of our prize young stars get to the end of his contract so we will effectively lost him for the square root of diddly squat, amd it demonstrates a complete and utter incompetence in our backroom senior staff. This is not the first time our player contracts have shafted us too.
Where is the accountability?
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Post by kustokie on Jan 2, 2020 18:08:28 GMT
Allen and Butland are on the highest wage aren't they ? Yes both of those need moving out too but I suspect they haven't made noises that they don't want to play for us. butland yes, Allen no |
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Post by Gods on Jan 2, 2020 18:10:05 GMT
We are paying a Chief Exec the best part of £1 Million a year and also have a dedicated person to look after player recruitment, contracts etc probably paid not much less. It’s well documented that the price tag in a January window is usually much higher than in the summer due to clubs needing to strengthen. We also had reports earlier in the season of at least 1 premier league manager eulogising over Etebo. How the heck then are we letting two of our most sellable assets go on loan without getting a decent transfer fee for them? Add to that the fact we are letting one of our prize young stars get to the end of his contract so we will effectively lost him for the square root of diddly squat, amd it demonstrates a complete and utter incompetence in our backroom senior staff. This is not the first time our player contracts have shafted us too. Where is the accountability? I don't think there is anything remotely sellable about either of them, that's the problem. To the wider world they are just 2 highly tenumeratwd players featuring only sporadically in a Stoke City team looking like it was heading for Division 3 two short weeks ago. |
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Post by kustokie on Jan 2, 2020 18:14:57 GMT
We are paying a Chief Exec the best part of £1 Million a year and also have a dedicated person to look after player recruitment, contracts etc probably paid not much less. It’s well documented that the price tag in a January window is usually much higher than in the summer due to clubs needing to strengthen. We also had reports earlier in the season of at least 1 premier league manager eulogising over Etebo. How the heck then are we letting two of our most sellable assets go on loan without getting a decent transfer fee for them? Add to that the fact we are letting one of our prize young stars get to the end of his contract so we will effectively lost him for the square root of diddly squat, amd it demonstrates a complete and utter incompetence in our backroom senior staff. This is not the first time our player contracts have shafted us too. Where is the accountability? I don't think there is anything remotely sellable about either of them, that's the problem. To the wider world they are just 2 highly tenumeratwd players featuring only sporadically in a Stoke City team looking like it was heading for Division 3 two short weeks ago. maybe he doesn’t want a new contract. Free agent=lots of cash for player |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 18:22:50 GMT
We are paying a Chief Exec the best part of £1 Million a year and also have a dedicated person to look after player recruitment, contracts etc probably paid not much less. It’s well documented that the price tag in a January window is usually much higher than in the summer due to clubs needing to strengthen. We also had reports earlier in the season of at least 1 premier league manager eulogising over Etebo. How the heck then are we letting two of our most sellable assets go on loan without getting a decent transfer fee for them? Add to that the fact we are letting one of our prize young stars get to the end of his contract so we will effectively lost him for the square root of diddly squat, amd it demonstrates a complete and utter incompetence in our backroom senior staff. This is not the first time our player contracts have shafted us too. Where is the accountability? I don't think there is anything remotely sellable about either of them, that's the problem. To the wider world they are just 2 highly tenumeratwd players featuring only sporadically in a Stoke City team looking like it was heading for Division 3 two short weeks ago. It really is that simple. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 18:24:34 GMT
I don't think there is anything remotely sellable about either of them, that's the problem. To the wider world they are just 2 highly tenumeratwd players featuring only sporadically in a Stoke City team looking like it was heading for Division 3 two short weeks ago. It really is that simple. Yeah that’s why a club in the top six of La Liga has gone for Etebo. Makes total sense. 😂😂 |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 18:32:00 GMT
It really is that simple. Yeah that’s why a club in the top six of La Liga has gone for Etebo. Makes total sense. 😂😂 Lol, the vale are bigger than them.  |
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Post by robinredcoat on Jan 2, 2020 18:34:10 GMT
It really is that simple. Yeah that’s why a club in the top six of La Liga has gone for Etebo. Makes total sense. 😂😂 Exactly. We have clubs wanting players like Etebo and others, why aren’t we negotiating and playing hard ball to get them to pay good money. Our player negotiations with other clubs are shambolic. |
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 2, 2020 18:37:26 GMT
Can't grumble at this tbh.
Arguably our best player but:
1. Not hard to shine in our shower of shit squad.
2. Wages off books.
3. MON's seemingly started to turn things around without him or Badou.
4. In our situation, we need EVERYONE pulling in the same direction.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 2, 2020 19:21:32 GMT
It's widely documented that both he and Badou were lazy as fuck in training? Any chance you could provide some links to these widely documented incidents? Many thanks There’s a few about Paul, sentinel and a few outlets on Twitter. Also the manager said Etebo has trained ok but nothing more than ok. So because the manager had said that Etebo had trained ok, that then means, that Badou is lazy as fuck in training? I haven't seen any (never mind widely documented) reports that Badou has been lazy as fuck in training, I suspect because these reports don't exist. It's all pretty much academic now because they're gone but let's not start rewriting history. |
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Post by BristolMick on Jan 2, 2020 20:23:22 GMT
It really is that simple. Yeah that’s why a club in the top six of La Liga has gone for Etebo. Makes total sense. 😂😂 Exactly and rather than playing against Brentford on Saturday he’ll be playing against Real Madrid. Totally unsellable! Scholes Out. BM |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2020 20:29:57 GMT
Massively odd??!! A player who hasn’t kicked a ball in anger in ages gets limited game time. And that’s massively odd?? The only thing that’s massively odd as far as I can see is that you and one or two other posters seem intent on finding issue with how MON is going about his job. Stoke win 5-2 away in a 6 pointer. But within 24 hours the manager is being labelled as massively odd. Only on the Oatcake. Yes it’s massively odd. He does good things then isn’t seen again hardly. That’s really fucking odd. Maybe there’s an insight in your post. Unlike us MON sees him virtually every day. Training. Matches. Around the place. Who knows. Maybe he’s trying some new radical managerial approach which includes spending time with and perhaps talking to and listening to players. Then basing his team selections on his observations. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 2, 2020 20:38:11 GMT
Yeah that’s why a club in the top six of La Liga has gone for Etebo. Makes total sense. 😂😂 Exactly and rather than playing against Brentford on Saturday he’ll be playing against Real Madrid. Totally unsellable! Scholes Out. BM Scholes a man who couldn't sell water to a thirsty traveller in the desert, how the hell is he still in a job. Buy high sell low the financial strategy of a lunatic no wonder we are in such a sorry state. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 2, 2020 21:37:37 GMT
They looked like a team as well, all celebrating together. Maybe that's where the issue, the individuals are being isolated and the team players, who want to work together as a unit are being preferred because that's what the manager believes is best. Diouf is the epitome of a team player though. How do you know that? Do you know what goes on in training? Building a team isn't just about what's on the pitch. Maybe he's great off it as well, maybe the manager doesn't see it. Either way what I saw the other day was a great team performance and that's the first time I've seen it for a long time. |
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Post by stokeyank on Jan 2, 2020 21:45:20 GMT
It’s widely documented that him and Badou were lazy as fuck in training, clearly not wanting to get injured jeopardising then a move in January transfer window. I agree both very good footballers to have at championship level and can defo do a job in the premiership, but why do they deserve to tread water all week and expect a shirt at the weekend. Bad attitudes and players just wanting to pick up a decent wage are not what we want, we want fighters who are willing and proud to wear the red & white of Stoke City FC. Absolutely none of that was evident where it actually matters. And where is that? Only on match day? As a coach (in a different sport, mind) I can absolutely tell you that it matters just as much in training. How would you feel if some lazy ass (near enough your equal) did fuck all training and you worked your ass off only to have him picked week after week. Changes the entire dynamic of a team and not for the better. Sure they may help pick up the odd point here or there but overall hurt your team. I have no argument they are likely more gifted than many in the squad but that is sadly not all that matters. |
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