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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 11:55:26 GMT
That's not what happened though is it? I watched the video and it was nowhere near as cringe worthy as people are making it out to be. It was a fans night. I would prefer the Directors to unbutton their collar and be a little more open with the fans.The story did drag on a bit but he acknowledged that fact. He is not the first person to drag a story out and he won't be the last. My boss is the shittiest story teller going but he seems to manage 3,000 employees and contractors quite well. The man is obviously a fan. He is not daft. He may be enthusiastic and even naive but there are plenty of older heads available within the club who can and will advise. People need to lay off with all the hyperbole. Its veering on hysterical for some. 100% agree. The last 2 sentences are exactly what’s going to divide fans for years. We’re all hurting and unhappy, but for goodness sake, it is not the end of the world. We have owners who love the club and have invested (and will invest) millions on millions of pounds; we have a decent infrastructure; we have a young upcoming manager who is adapting to the situation. All the basics are looking so much better than 15 years ago, when we thought we would never reach the Premiership. We will be back, of that I have no doubt! And when we do get back, perhaps some of those who wasted our first Premier decade moaning, will relax and enjoy the ride! What “infrastructure” are you on about? The academy? The academy that’s produced the youngsters that the current manager is fucking off in favour of some old has beens? Just more money down the drain.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 4, 2019 12:28:53 GMT
100% agree. The last 2 sentences are exactly what’s going to divide fans for years. We’re all hurting and unhappy, but for goodness sake, it is not the end of the world. We have owners who love the club and have invested (and will invest) millions on millions of pounds; we have a decent infrastructure; we have a young upcoming manager who is adapting to the situation. All the basics are looking so much better than 15 years ago, when we thought we would never reach the Premiership. We will be back, of that I have no doubt! And when we do get back, perhaps some of those who wasted our first Premier decade moaning, will relax and enjoy the ride! What “infrastructure” are you on about? The academy? The academy that’s produced the youngsters that the current manager is fucking off in favour of some old has beens? Just more money down the drain. Can you provide examples of youngsters who the current is “f*****g off”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 12:31:13 GMT
What “infrastructure” are you on about? The academy? The academy that’s produced the youngsters that the current manager is fucking off in favour of some old has beens? Just more money down the drain. Can you provide examples of youngsters who the current is “f*****g off” Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 12:52:27 GMT
Can you provide examples of youngsters who the current is “f*****g off” Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 4, 2019 12:59:30 GMT
Can you provide examples of youngsters who the current is “f*****g off” Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. Let’s try and respond to the general statement you made in your earliest post, and your comments above in a positive way that may open up the subject for a more balanced debate. 1. Edwards, Campbell and Collins have not been “f****d off”. All three have featured in the 1st team or been on the bench this season. 2. Collins has been given a new 5 year contract and has also Captained the 1st team. 3. Verlinden has gone on loan until January (4/5 months). He will no doubt gain invaluable game time, experience of working with other coaches, experience of different tactics and experience of playing with other footballers. It could be argued that his going to Bolton will enhance his “long term” development. 5. You failed to mention Souttar (a player that I’ve never seen play) who will gain massive experience at Fleetwood playing in an uncompromising EFL Division. Whether or not he will make the grade of a Championship or above player only time will tell. As with Verlinden it could be argued that his going to will enhance his “long term” development. 6. There are a couple other young players who have gone out on loan i.e Shenton and a goalkeeper whose name escapes me. Would you deny them the opportunity of gaining experience? 7. It’s healthy to have competition for specific positions i.e right back. IMHO Edwards will in the long term thrive from his competition from Smith.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 4, 2019 12:59:48 GMT
100% agree. The last 2 sentences are exactly what’s going to divide fans for years. We’re all hurting and unhappy, but for goodness sake, it is not the end of the world. We have owners who love the club and have invested (and will invest) millions on millions of pounds; we have a decent infrastructure; we have a young upcoming manager who is adapting to the situation. All the basics are looking so much better than 15 years ago, when we thought we would never reach the Premiership. We will be back, of that I have no doubt! And when we do get back, perhaps some of those who wasted our first Premier decade moaning, will relax and enjoy the ride! What “infrastructure” are you on about? The academy? The academy that’s produced the youngsters that the current manager is fucking off in favour of some old has beens? Just more money down the drain. Where do you go to watch the game? Where do the players go to train? Who fixes players when they’re stiff and minor injuries? Who brings players to the manager’s attention? How do you get your tickets? And so on....... the support organization/buildings/resources are commonly known as infrastructure. Or do you think there’s nothing behind Stoke except a few guys who kick a ball around on a flat patch? ( and NO, we’re not talking about if a flat patch team could beat our bunch of misfits at the moment!)
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 4, 2019 13:26:26 GMT
I don't get the problem with Verlindern going to Bolton for 3 months. He's not going to play here because at the moment he doesn't fit the system and we all call for round pegs etc. He will play plenty of games with Bolton, hopefully gain confidence and experience and at the same time we are helping a struggling club out. If he does well (and his last loan didn't work) perhaps he will get in the team here or perhaps we will be able to sell him on for a small profit. He had a chance to impress in the summer and presumably didn't do enough. I suspect had we had an offer we may have accepted. There is no point in playing him in the u23's it's not fair on him or Shenton. I say if we lose them and they do well good on them and we can say we gave them a good start. If we keep them but don't play them who gains anything?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 15:53:09 GMT
Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉 I’m championing him I have said I can understand he would organise us and sort this mess out. I appreciate the impact it would have on the youngsters although completely disagree it would mean they were all automatically out especially Collins. After all we had Wilko and Shawcross. The problem is that we’re now in relegation form so someone needs to fix it. In an ideal world would I want TP - no, of course not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 15:54:36 GMT
Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. Let’s try and respond to the general statement you made in your earliest post, and your comments above in a positive way that may open up the subject for a more balanced debate. 1. Edwards, Campbell and Collins have not been “f****d off”. All three have featured in the 1st team or been on the bench this season. 2. Collins has been given a new 5 year contract and has also Captained the 1st team. 3. Verlinden has gone on loan until January (4/5 months). He will no doubt gain invaluable game time, experience of working with other coaches, experience of different tactics and experience of playing with other footballers. It could be argued that his going to Bolton will enhance his “long term” development. 5. You failed to mention Souttar (a player that I’ve never seen play) who will gain massive experience at Fleetwood playing in an uncompromising EFL Division. Whether or not he will make the grade of a Championship or above player only time will tell. As with Verlinden it could be argued that his going to will enhance his “long term” development. 6. There are a couple other young players who have gone out on loan i.e Shenton and a goalkeeper whose name escapes me. Would you deny them the opportunity of gaining experience? 7. It’s healthy to have competition for specific positions i.e right back. IMHO Edwards will in the long term thrive from his competition from Smith. Oh yes this “competition” nonesense. Smith was brought in above him. All of them should be playing and if they aren’t they will go. No point arguing with you - let’s see what happens at the end of the season if Jones stays.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 15:55:50 GMT
What “infrastructure” are you on about? The academy? The academy that’s produced the youngsters that the current manager is fucking off in favour of some old has beens? Just more money down the drain. Where do you go to watch the game? Where do the players go to train? Who fixes players when they’re stiff and minor injuries? Who brings players to the manager’s attention? How do you get your tickets? And so on....... the support organization/buildings/resources are commonly known as infrastructure. Or do you think there’s nothing behind Stoke except a few guys who kick a ball around on a flat patch? ( and NO, we’re not talking about if a flat patch team could beat our bunch of misfits at the moment!) We have really good training facilities. Everything else every club has and it’s not better here. I get my tickets in the same way as someone who supports a League One club.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:17:40 GMT
You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉 I’m championing him I have said I can understand he would organise us and sort this mess out. I appreciate the impact it would have on the youngsters although completely disagree it would mean they were all automatically out especially Collins. After all we had Wilko and Shawcross. The problem is that we’re now in relegation form so someone needs to fix it. In an ideal world would I want TP - no, of course not. We are not in a relegation struggle yet. Typical OTT thinking. There are 46 games in a championship season, we have played 6 which means there are 120 points to play for, the season hasn't even started. During the first 6 games we have been unlucky with individual player errors, we have hit the post on numerous occasions. We have played very well in a couple of games, average a couple of times and dire a couple of times, we should have been out of sight a couple of times, the manager cant do anything about that. I'd say that's on par with 10 new players to settle in with a whole new defence who need to get used to each other. Etebo ( our best player ) has been on ACON duty, he has only just been introduced back into the team, as has N'diaye into the squad. Nick powell has been injured. Hogan come late in the window. We havnt even got going yet its ridiculous that the manager is under silly pressure allready. We have started slow result wise, it can happen. What do we do, sack a manager everytime you have a poor run of form? 6 games with a new squad he has had, 6 games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:22:59 GMT
I’m championing him I have said I can understand he would organise us and sort this mess out. I appreciate the impact it would have on the youngsters although completely disagree it would mean they were all automatically out especially Collins. After all we had Wilko and Shawcross. The problem is that we’re now in relegation form so someone needs to fix it. In an ideal world would I want TP - no, of course not. We are not in a relegation struggle yet. Typical OTT thinking. There are 46 games in a championship season, we have played 6 which means there are 120 points to play for, the season hasn't even started. During the first 6 games we have been unlucky with individual player errors, we have hit the post on numerous occasions. We have played very well in a couple of games, average a couple of times and dire a couple of times, we should have been out of sight a couple of times, the manager cant do anything about that. I'd say that's on par with 10 new players to settle in with a whole new defence who need to get used to each other. Etebo ( our best player ) has been on ACON duty, he has only just been introduced back into the team, as has N'diaye into the squad. Nick powell has been injured. Hogan come late in the window. We havnt even got going yet its ridiculous that the manager is under silly pressure allready. We have started slow result wise, it can happen. What do we do, sack a manager everytime you have a poor run of form? 6 games with a new squad he has had, 6 games. Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 4, 2019 16:26:09 GMT
We are not in a relegation struggle yet. Typical OTT thinking. There are 46 games in a championship season, we have played 6 which means there are 120 points to play for, the season hasn't even started. During the first 6 games we have been unlucky with individual player errors, we have hit the post on numerous occasions. We have played very well in a couple of games, average a couple of times and dire a couple of times, we should have been out of sight a couple of times, the manager cant do anything about that. I'd say that's on par with 10 new players to settle in with a whole new defence who need to get used to each other. Etebo ( our best player ) has been on ACON duty, he has only just been introduced back into the team, as has N'diaye into the squad. Nick powell has been injured. Hogan come late in the window. We havnt even got going yet its ridiculous that the manager is under silly pressure allready. We have started slow result wise, it can happen. What do we do, sack a manager everytime you have a poor run of form? 6 games with a new squad he has had, 6 games. Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not. After everything I've read of your other posts, why on earth would you back Pulis being appointed? What's gotten in to you man?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:29:51 GMT
We are not in a relegation struggle yet. Typical OTT thinking. There are 46 games in a championship season, we have played 6 which means there are 120 points to play for, the season hasn't even started. During the first 6 games we have been unlucky with individual player errors, we have hit the post on numerous occasions. We have played very well in a couple of games, average a couple of times and dire a couple of times, we should have been out of sight a couple of times, the manager cant do anything about that. I'd say that's on par with 10 new players to settle in with a whole new defence who need to get used to each other. Etebo ( our best player ) has been on ACON duty, he has only just been introduced back into the team, as has N'diaye into the squad. Nick powell has been injured. Hogan come late in the window. We havnt even got going yet its ridiculous that the manager is under silly pressure allready. We have started slow result wise, it can happen. What do we do, sack a manager everytime you have a poor run of form? 6 games with a new squad he has had, 6 games. Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not. Dont really care what other managers have done at other clubs there is no saying they would have done it here. How do you know this guy at swansea isn't just a flash in the pan? He might struggle to get a win for the next 10 games for all you know, the table doesnt even start taking shape until christmas in this league, teams go on good runs, teams go on bad runs. Rowett said as much and hes right. The guy at norwich struggled at first but they got promoted, sheff utd didn't hit the ground running. It's not as black & white as those aboard the hysteria train like to think, far from it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:31:08 GMT
Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not. After everything I've read of your other posts, why on earth would you back Pulis being appointed? What's gotten in to you man? Calm yourself, it's just berahinosgoals trying to make a point he can't make as usual. I've said a number of times on the manager options thread I think he's stop the rot and can understand why people are saying he should be an option. Quite frankly it's a mess and someone with experience needs to fix it. Hence I'd be in favor of an experienced manager appointment - Hughton, Moyes, Big Sam, TP - not where I'd like us to be, and very annoyed the last two managers in particular have brought us to this, but we're in free fall in my opinion and have utterly messed this up. I've said before it's like going to the dentist, you don't want to, it's not nice and might be painful but if you don't all you teeth will fall out...
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Post by serpico on Sept 4, 2019 16:32:24 GMT
Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not. After everything I've read of your other posts, why on earth would you back Pulis being appointed? What's gotten in to you man? He does kind of specialise in getting clubs out of a mess so I can understand people wanting Pulis. I’m beginning to succumb to Pulisitis myself, maybe only if a moyes or Hughton don’t want the gig, though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2019 16:32:26 GMT
Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉 When we were promoted to the PL TP played Shawcross, Wilko and Dickinson as 3 out of 4 at the back. Not only older had beens exactly.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:34:27 GMT
After everything I've read of your other posts, why on earth would you back Pulis being appointed? What's gotten in to you man? Calm yourself, it's just berahinosgoals trying to make a point he can't make as usual. I've said a number of times on the manager options thread I think he's stop the rot and can understand why people are saying he should be an option. Quite frankly it's a mess and someone with experience needs to fix it. Hence I'd be in favor of an experienced manager appointment - Hughton, Moyes, Big Sam, TP - not where I'd like us to be, and very annoyed the last two managers in particular have brought us to this, but we're in free fall in my opinion and have utterly messed this up. 🧐 A point I cant make? You have been liking peoples posts who are championing TP then in the next breath slating jones for not making individuals with very little first team experience first team regulars
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:34:29 GMT
Just because you keep saying he's had 6 games doesn't make it true. He's had the last 8 months. We are worse. The players he's bought are worse. There is no evidence he even has a clue how to turn it around. Other managers have had shorter spaces of time and made improvements, other managers haven't needed 11 players to make it feasible, other team have had new signing. It's just excuse after excuse after excuse. At the end of the day it's not good enough. And we are currently in relegation form whether you like it or not. Dont really care what other managers have done at other clubs there is no saying they would have done it here. How do you know this guy at swansea isn't just a flash in the pan? He might struggle to get a win for the next 10 games for all you know, the table doesnt even start taking shape until christmas in this league, teams go on good runs, teams go on bad runs. Rowett said as much and hes right. The guy at norwich struggled at first but they got promoted, sheff utd didn't hit the ground running. It's not as black & white as those aboard the hysteria train like to think, far from it None of them were this bad. None of them made their teams worse and I don't think anyone them signed 11 players who weren't any better than what we had.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:38:29 GMT
Calm yourself, it's just berahinosgoals trying to make a point he can't make as usual. I've said a number of times on the manager options thread I think he's stop the rot and can understand why people are saying he should be an option. Quite frankly it's a mess and someone with experience needs to fix it. Hence I'd be in favor of an experienced manager appointment - Hughton, Moyes, Big Sam, TP - not where I'd like us to be, and very annoyed the last two managers in particular have brought us to this, but we're in free fall in my opinion and have utterly messed this up. 🧐 A point I cant make? You have been liking peoples posts who are championing TP then in the next breath slating jones for not making individuals with very little first team experience first team regulars I've explained by position on TP not that you can possible understand anything that doesn't fit your agenda. At the end of the day he didn't promise a young fast athletic team and was successful in what he did. Jones did promise that and has done the opposite and his results are absolutely shocking. I also don't think they would be as automatically out as you think especially Collins and Campbell. Hard to see him thinking much of Tommy Smith as well and he didn't even want Batth at Boro. Verlinden is the only one you'd probably say no definitely not. Also I wasn't even replying to your post it was one about infrastructure and the academy. Well what has been the point of it? None at all. You might as well not have bothered quite frankly like TP said to because we've achieved fuck all with it. Money down the drain.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:39:20 GMT
Dont really care what other managers have done at other clubs there is no saying they would have done it here. How do you know this guy at swansea isn't just a flash in the pan? He might struggle to get a win for the next 10 games for all you know, the table doesnt even start taking shape until christmas in this league, teams go on good runs, teams go on bad runs. Rowett said as much and hes right. The guy at norwich struggled at first but they got promoted, sheff utd didn't hit the ground running. It's not as black & white as those aboard the hysteria train like to think, far from it None of them were this bad. None of them made their teams worse and I don't think anyone them signed 11 players who weren't any better than what we had. the bloke is trying to find a formula, when he does he will have a good base to work from, a bit of patience would be nice
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:40:29 GMT
None of them were this bad. None of them made their teams worse and I don't think anyone them signed 11 players who weren't any better than what we had. the bloke is trying to find a formula, when he does he will have a good base to work from, a bit of patience would be nice He's had 8 months. It's unacceptable to still not know what you're doing from one week to the next.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 4, 2019 16:41:11 GMT
Where do you go to watch the game? Where do the players go to train? Who fixes players when they’re stiff and minor injuries? Who brings players to the manager’s attention? How do you get your tickets? And so on....... the support organization/buildings/resources are commonly known as infrastructure. Or do you think there’s nothing behind Stoke except a few guys who kick a ball around on a flat patch? ( and NO, we’re not talking about if a flat patch team could beat our bunch of misfits at the moment!) We have really good training facilities. Everything else every club has and it’s not better here. I get my tickets in the same way as someone who supports a League One club. So Stoke do have infrastructure?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:41:17 GMT
the bloke is trying to find a formula, when he does he will have a good base to work from, a bit of patience would be nice He's had 8 months. It's unacceptable to still not know what you're doing from one week to the next. 10 new players can cloud things up wether you like it or not.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 4, 2019 16:42:24 GMT
You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉 When we were promoted to the PL TP played Shawcross, Wilko and Dickinson as 3 out of 4 at the back. Not only older had beens exactly. to be fair 3 in 10 year is not going to get tp accused of being the next jimmy saville is it? 😉
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 4, 2019 16:43:05 GMT
the bloke is trying to find a formula, when he does he will have a good base to work from, a bit of patience would be nice He's had 8 months. It's unacceptable to still not know what you're doing from one week to the next. Crikey Fella, we know that you think that everything related to Stoke is crap, but take a break to get some air. If I didn't know better, I'd swear you are a bot programmed to respond to every post with something negative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 16:44:44 GMT
We have really good training facilities. Everything else every club has and it’s not better here. I get my tickets in the same way as someone who supports a League One club. So Stoke do have infrastructure? What even is your point? To say we should all be grateful and everything will be fine because we have the same things as most professional football clubs? You've said before you don't go to games so you might not be aware we are way behind other clubs in many aspects, only just got contactless payments, no wifi, the website is shocking and doesn't work most of the time, the hygiene rating was a disgrace. Apart from our academy there is nothing we do better than every single one of our peers.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 4, 2019 16:53:45 GMT
Right so Verlinden going to Bolton instead of playing here, buying Tommy Smith to replace Tom Edwards, Campbell sat on the bench. God knows about Collins but he should be starting every game. They should all be getting regular game time here. They should probably all be starting. Not like they could have done any worse! Edwards should never have lost his place as first choice right back. They’ll all be gone at the end of the season no doubt. Let’s try and respond to the general statement you made in your earliest post, and your comments above in a positive way that may open up the subject for a more balanced debate. 1. Edwards, Campbell and Collins have not been “f****d off”. All three have featured in the 1st team or been on the bench this season. 2. Collins has been given a new 5 year contract and has also Captained the 1st team. 3. Verlinden has gone on loan until January (4/5 months). He will no doubt gain invaluable game time, experience of working with other coaches, experience of different tactics and experience of playing with other footballers. It could be argued that his going to Bolton will enhance his “long term” development. 5. You failed to mention Souttar (a player that I’ve never seen play) who will gain massive experience at Fleetwood playing in an uncompromising EFL Division. Whether or not he will make the grade of a Championship or above player only time will tell. As with Verlinden it could be argued that his going to will enhance his “long term” development. 6. There are a couple other young players who have gone out on loan i.e Shenton and a goalkeeper whose name escapes me. Would you deny them the opportunity of gaining experience? 7. It’s healthy to have competition for specific positions i.e right back. IMHO Edwards will in the long term thrive from his competition from Smith. Fucking hell some sense at last 👍
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2019 16:58:54 GMT
When we were promoted to the PL TP played Shawcross, Wilko and Dickinson as 3 out of 4 at the back. Not only older had beens exactly. to be fair 3 in 10 year is not going to get tp accused of being the next jimmy saville is it? 😉 Not exactly, but to be fair we didn't have many other youngsters knocking on the door at that time good enough for the PL. I guess he knew Dickinson wasn't up for it either when we went up.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 4, 2019 17:25:43 GMT
You do realise you are championing TP as successor but slagging Jones off for 'in your opinion' pissing off the college boys by not playing them? . . Which he actually does play them. It's a little bit ironic don't you think .... and I'm not alanis morrisette 😉 I’m championing him I have said I can understand he would organise us and sort this mess out. I appreciate the impact it would have on the youngsters although completely disagree it would mean they were all automatically out especially Collins. After all we had Wilko and Shawcross. The problem is that we’re now in relegation form so someone needs to fix it. In an ideal world would I want TP - no, of course not. Andy Wilkinson was 23 when he started getting regular game time,the same age Liam Lindsay is now.
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