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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 30, 2019 7:39:30 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 30, 2019 7:42:43 GMT
Memories of Ramadan and Lambert came flooding back to me as well  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 7:43:02 GMT
I'd just like to see Afobe run, at all, tbh |
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Post by geoffscott on Jul 30, 2019 7:43:25 GMT
Thought Nathan Jones came across very well. Be it a minority, still surprised by some of the comments made and repeated by a handful of Stoke supporters on here. Alternatively came across these observations on an agenda free leading sports website.... STOKE CITY haven't spent huge amounts of money this summer, but they've made some very clever additions which should pay off across the course of a season. Nathan Jones has welcomed seven new faces to his squad. Five of those were free transfers, while Liam Lindsay made the switch from Barnsley for £2m and Tommy Smith joined from Huddersfield for around the £4m mark. The one thing that has stood out to me regarding the Potters' business is that you can't really pick any faults with it.
The same ones that also said we were getting promoted last season? I don’t believe it is the same person as last season..Nevertheless in contrast to some of the stuff written on here, it’s refreshing to read other people’s opinions on Stoke. |
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Post by jeycov on Jul 30, 2019 7:43:28 GMT
I think lots of us thought at the time that we should’ve bought a winger instead of spunking all that money on Crouch and Palacios, as our whole set up depended on wingers and we had two quite fragile ones and no real cover. I think lots of people were chuffed with Palacios at the time, as on paper he was exactly what we needed. That turned out well. Crouch was worth the combined value of both of them |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 30, 2019 7:47:34 GMT
I listened to the interview back last night and wrote a few notes because I'm a sad bastard and I have nothing better to do with my life. This is what I got from the interview:
I understand NJ not wanting to put a timescale on the return of Ryan, it would only add pressure on him during his recovery - the club has probably learned from the Butland situation with the numerous setbacks he had and the consequent reaction from the fans. Putting a timescale on it would also give the upper hand to anybody we're trying to sign a CB from, once they know you've got a man out for 12 months the price is bumped up.
Lee Blakeman is an annoying bastard who loves the sound of his own voice.
NJ says "I've got a really good relationship with Ryan, I've had to build that relationship" - does this show NJ has had to win the players over? A few on here remarked at the time he took the job that he may struggle to get respect from a few of the more experienced players being from the lower leagues. Judging by a few of players comments and just the look of the photos that have been released NJ has won them over, which is a positive - purely conjecture but I never felt Rowett won many of the players over.
I'm a really big NJ fan - but he didn't come across as warm as I expected him too - he has almost no time at all for small talk, I don't think he was very comfortable during the interview but a lot of "football people" are like that - they just want to get down to the football and I love that. I know a few people who work at Radio Stoke and they've all commented that NJ can be a difficult person to read, and you're never sure if he really likes you or not but what really comes across is his determination and will to succeed.
"We are going to have to sign another CB" - I'm hoping we don't see Williams as a short term stop gap. BMI sounds like he's out the door.
We're definitely interested in Gayle.
NJ likes The Killers and Kings Of Leon - he's stuck in 2007, like a few of our fans.
He sounds as pissed off as us about the whole penalty debacle. I agree with his comments about chanting for Jack, can't be great for the actual taker to hear - but there is no excuse for footballers missing penalties, especially as many as we have.
I thought it was strange that he mentioned that "even Bojan" had missed a penalty before - came across as a little bitter. The whole Bojan segment of the interview went on far too long, but it always does. I think NJ is right to come out with it and close the chapter. I feel more time could have been spent talking about Davies or Cousins the players we don't know as much about - but if it's not oatcake questions, it's Bojan - what can you do?!
If Nick Powell was any more laid back, he'd be horizontal.
It sounds like he trusts Afobe, which really worries me - he's terrible and hasn't looked brilliant during pre-season. His first touch is terrible, and I'm yet to see this "pace" NJ says he has.
I disagree with his comments on pace - we seriously lack it all over the squad - but he can't exactly say that he?
Thank god Radio Stoke didn't take any callers, they always seem to pick the worst of the worst, that would have been embarrassing.
I agree with his comments about McClean - he has the attributes NJ is after but we're going to have to be patient while he gets to grips with the role - that will be a huge problem for our fanbase.
NJ clearly sees a place for Badou in his squad, I just can't see him returning. It sounds like the club want a decent amount of money to sell him.
NJ pulled Blakeman up on the "Bojan bracket" and Blakeman backtracked very quickly, which I enjoyed.
All in all, he's not pulling any punches, he knows promotion is the target and he isn't hiding from that. I think he was as honest as he could be - there are obvious things he can't talk about but I think he did well. I'm really looking forward to the start of the season, I really hope we can get a few wins under our belts early and build some momentum.
Goarn Stoke.
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Post by Batfink on Jul 30, 2019 7:47:42 GMT
He wasn’t. Don’t confuse being outspoken with being honest. Im thinking exclusively in regards to his Bojan comments. Basically come right out and said hes not that player any more. Whether it was good or bad for him he came out and said it and what he thought. As much as it rubs myself and the fans up the wrong way it is very refreshing in interviews from managers rather than the usual scapegoating answers. I get why Jones' is approaching it this way to, like most managers they approach fans on a need to know basis. Yes they might want to be honest but some answers they cant give for fear that itll decrease a transfer fee (bad for the club), kill a players motivation or relationships with them (bad for squad morale/relationship with managers). Thats the only reason I liked Rowett in that instance and not the arrogance. But purely for the fact he called a spade a spade in interviews. Again it didnt end well for him but his criticism of players early on after games was something I havent heard from a managers here other than vague excuses. It was refreshing in all honesty, just a shame he couldnt back himself up. I like Jones and want to buy into it and everything but its hard because he's so self aware when speaking to and for fans. Like players when they sign for a new club, its always the same old spiel. "Big club, massive history etc etc yawn" The hardest part about getting behind Jones is unlike Hughes or probably lambert (though they were unlikely to be offered the opportunity) he'll be off the first sniff he gets at either the prem or a big club. Exactly how hes left luton, if he was that attached to Luton and adored and about to be in the same league why would he not leave us like that in a hurry at the first chance? For him to get that next chance though, he'll have to get us promoted and to be doing really well in the Premier League. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 7:48:01 GMT
I think lots of people were chuffed with Palacios at the time, as on paper he was exactly what we needed. That turned out well. Crouch was worth the combined value of both of them Only thanks to the change in manager. It was the beginning of the end for TP. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 7:51:12 GMT
He wasn’t. Don’t confuse being outspoken with being honest. Im thinking exclusively in regards to his Bojan comments. Basically come right out and said hes not that player any more. Whether it was good or bad for him he came out and said it and what he thought. As much as it rubs myself and the fans up the wrong way it is very refreshing in interviews from managers rather than the usual scapegoating answers. I get why Jones' is approaching it this way to, like most managers they approach fans on a need to know basis. Yes they might want to be honest but some answers they cant give for fear that itll decrease a transfer fee (bad for the club), kill a players motivation or relationships with them (bad for squad morale/relationship with managers). Thats the only reason I liked Rowett in that instance and not the arrogance. But purely for the fact he called a spade a spade in interviews. Again it didnt end well for him but his criticism of players early on after games was something I havent heard from a managers here other than vague excuses. It was refreshing in all honesty, just a shame he couldnt back himself up. I like Jones and want to buy into it and everything but its hard because he's so self aware when speaking to and for fans. Like players when they sign for a new club, its always the same old spiel. "Big club, massive history etc etc yawn" The hardest part about getting behind Jones is unlike Hughes or probably lambert (though they were unlikely to be offered the opportunity) he'll be off the first sniff he gets at either the prem or a big club. Exactly how hes left luton, if he was that attached to Luton and adored and about to be in the same league why would he not leave us like that in a hurry at the first chance? He didn’t call a spade a spade, he was a weasel who chucked people under the bus to save himself. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2019 8:44:04 GMT
His record at Luton was excellent. Played 170, won 87, drew 46. What's more Luton did not fall apart when he left, so he clearly established sustainable performance/systems. Ah, you mean his record in league 2 and league 1. Great. When he's proven himself at a decent standard get back to me. Most successful managers start near the bottom of the tree and gradually climb it, learning from their mistakes on the way. Provided they have the basic talents/ability, what is most needed is grit and determination to succeed. Harvey Jones was once asked what was the most important quality of a manager his answer was "stamina". Bill Shankly said "attention to detail". Shankly managed at Carlisle, Grimsby, Workington, and Huddersfield before he was appointed at lowly second division Liverpool. I have posted in the past that Clough's record was not as good at Hartlepool Utd as Jones at Luton, before he went to lowly second division Derby. Sir Alex got the sack from his first job in the Scottish second division. Only time will tell whether Jones has got the qualities to succeed. What has impressed me most about him is that Luton continued to be successful after he left. That is the sign of an excellent manager, who has got everyone motivated with the right attitude, and the business well organized. It is clearly going to take him time to sort out Stoke, but I'm sure he has got the qualities to succeed at any level given time, experience, and support and opportunities. So it may be a while before I get back to you. |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 9:50:13 GMT
I agree but if we can’t get the correct players that the manager wants he is better to go with what he has. His coaching and tactical awareness should improve our squad though as by all accounts they haven’t been coached properly for the last four or five seasons. Let’s see how we start the season before we get on their backs. I would love an all out attacking wing back and an nzonzi type midfielder but if there are non available that suit what can he do. The mistakes have already been made in recruitment and now as a club we are paying the price financially. So you’re telling me that isn’t a left back in the world that we could have gone after bar James Justin and Stephen Ward? That’s one of the mistakes in recruitment. It’s what we’ve seen time and time before from our recruitment department. If you miss out on Soares you get Johnson, if you miss out on Lemina you get Afellay etc. Apparently not one they fancy And those you quoted are precisely the mistakes that they are not making now by giving short term contracts and not long expensive ones |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 9:52:55 GMT
So you’re telling me that isn’t a left back in the world that we could have gone after bar James Justin and Stephen Ward? That’s one of the mistakes in recruitment. It’s what we’ve seen time and time before from our recruitment department. If you miss out on Soares you get Johnson, if you miss out on Lemina you get Afellay etc. Apparently not one they fancy And those you quoted are precisely the mistakes that they are not making now by giving short term contracts And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. |
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 30, 2019 10:27:26 GMT
Apparently not one they fancy And those you quoted are precisely the mistakes that they are not making now by giving short term contracts And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. I am quite staggered that some posters are putting out the mantra of in Jones we trust with regard to the LWB shambles. It's been obvious We have needed better LWB options for 2/3 seasons and with Jnes's formation it's clearly a key and high profile position. We have presumably still a scouting network, you know the one that found Etebo in Portugal. We have a process that I think states we find 5 options for each position targeted, if we don't get choice A we move on to choice B etc. So how we end up with an ageing premiership player after a final payday (we have only given him a one year contract so we recognise that) and JM who we have all have seen enough of to know he defensive qualities are at best a joke. WBA fans told us that when we bought him and I have seen nothing to change that view, he loses his man and makes rash badly timed tackles. It's a touch odd NJ ditched Pieters who NJ didn't rate but who clearly is a better defender than McClean and actually scored 2 in 21 as a full-back compared to McClean's 3 in 42 as an attacking forward!! Something has gone wrong in this recruitment either the process wasn't carried out with finding 5 potential options. If thats the case then the recruitment team remains unfit for purpose. Or is it Jones's insistence that we fish in the 'not wanted ageing prem player, lower championship/League one pool' and this has not delivered. Either way it really is a shambles when Jones has to turn water into wine with JM. It's no wonder Jones last night sounded a touch spiky and stressed rather than his normal super positive persona. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2019 10:29:52 GMT
His record at Luton was excellent. Played 170, won 87, drew 46. What's more Luton did not fall apart when he left, so he clearly established sustainable performance/systems. Ah, you mean his record in league 2 and league 1. Great. When he's proven himself at a decent standard get back to me. No worries but the executive of the club declared on his appointment we are not going to compete for those with proven records at the top level who demand control so by all means scour the market for better managers st the lower level prepares to work within the process and the FFP mess were created because that’s the market we are in . |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 10:31:24 GMT
And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. I am quite staggered that some posters are putting out the mantra of in Jones we trust with regard to the LWB shambles. It's been obvious We have needed better LWB options for 2/3 seasons and with Jnes's formation it's clearly a key and high profile position. We have presumably still a scouting network, you know the one that found Etebo in Portugal. We have a process that I think states we find 5 options for each position targeted, if we don't get choice A we move on to choice B etc. So how we end up with an ageing premiership player after a final payday (we have only given him a one year contract so we recognise that) and JM who we have all have seen enough of to know he defensive qualities are at best a joke. WBA fans told us that when we bought him and I have seen nothing to change that view, he loses his man and makes rash badly timed tackles. It's a touch odd NJ ditched Pieters who NJ didn't rate but who clearly is a better defender than McClean and actually scored 2 in 21 as a full-back compared to McClean's 3 in 42 as an attacking forward!! Something has gone wrong in this recruitment either the process wasn't carried out with finding 5 potential options. If thats the case then the recruitment team remains unfit for purpose. Or is it Jones's insistence that we fish in the 'not wanted ageing prem player, lower championship/League one pool' and this has not delivered. Either way it really is a shambles when Jones has to turn water into wine with JM. Excellently put. And if McClean was deemed fit for the role, why wasn't he used there a lot last season? We've been told the manager experimented. I don't think he made a good job of it in the slightest and couldn't actually gather much from it. And this backs that up for me. It was a fantastic time to blood McClean there and we didn't. |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 30, 2019 10:34:02 GMT
I'd just like to see Afobe run, at all, tbh And without tripping over! |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2019 11:30:21 GMT
The LB debate rages and Jones added fire to the fuel last night.
It appears he couldn't secure his #1 choice and he is not prepared to take second best (Ward is obviously a short term stop gap measure) and those who fit the bill are either not interested in Stoke or the manager is not prepared to risk his reputation by splashing out big money on someone he is not sure of. Personally I am tired of Stoke spending 8 figure sums and expensive loans on players who turn out to be huge disappointments.
One thing we can be sure of is that we don't know all the facts. There were clearly things last night where Jones was biting his lip and struggling hard not to say things that would either offend or let the cat out of the bag. For all we know the club could be in deep negotiations for players but the last thing they want is for it to get into the public domain. Does anyone think we would have secured Etebo last summer if other bigger clubs had been aware we were in for him?
I am not ITK but I believe Jones when he says they have looked at a number of LB options and none have suited his criteria. He has to be careful not to cheese off Ward and McClean. Maybe he has faith in Sousa at Famalicao, who worked with Tymon at Hull, and they believe they can get his career back on track and full-fill his early promise. He is only 20. Just as good players can "lose it" and become below average (like Wimmer, Bony, Fletcher, Berahino etc.) so can young players suddenly blossom in the right hands and situation and become very good players. I think Jones has already demonstrated that he is a manager who develops young players, whether it is in his own team or by loaning out to other clubs.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 30, 2019 11:48:46 GMT
I bet that radio show was thrilling and insightful. Pre season fayre and entirely predictable ..be interesting to see how he and his team fare.. not long now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:16:54 GMT
It sounds like he trusts Afobe, which really worries me - he's terrible and hasn't looked brilliant during pre-season. His first touch is terrible, and I'm yet to see this "pace" NJ says he has. It's totally true about Afobe's pace, he's remarkably quick for such a heavy frame - but only when he's bothered, and so far I've only seen it in preseason friendlies. I also agree about his poor touch and poor working ethic. Trouble is if he is still not convinced by Campbell, Jones will have no other forward to play (if Gregory is cover for Vokes) |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 12:17:35 GMT
Apparently not one they fancy And those you quoted are precisely the mistakes that they are not making now by giving short term contracts And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. I have to accept it as it’s not my decision But I respect his views as he is the manager and if there is no one he deems fit available then so be it. I’m sure we will sign the correct players over the next few windows We have to remember the FFP restrictions and have to cut our cloth accordingly If we signed someone as a makeweight as we have in the past we may not be able to afford the correct players wages/fee when he is available. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 12:23:08 GMT
And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. I have to accept it as it’s not my decision But I respect his views as he is the manager and if there is no one he deems fit available then so be it. I’m sure we will sign the correct players over the next few windows We have to remember the FFP restrictions and have to cut our cloth accordingly If we signed someone as a makeweight as we have in the past we may not be able to afford the correct players wages/fee when he is available. But with everything that has gone before we know that there's a good chance that the manager isn't actually happy with it. Left back was the key transfer this window and we've so far cocked it up. How will that fit if they sign Gayle like they want to? |
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 30, 2019 12:32:42 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a
q and a with the fans?
Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:37:27 GMT
And you accept that? You don't think it screams that there's an issue somewhere? Either with who they have put up or with the manager? I don't know which one it is and history suggests it's the former. But we also know that NJ like what he knows and doesn't fish in a big pond seemingly. I find it hard to accept that after knowing we needed a left from his arrival, we can't find one in world football that fits the bill. I am quite staggered that some posters are putting out the mantra of in Jones we trust with regard to the LWB shambles. It's been obvious We have needed better LWB options for 2/3 seasons and with Jnes's formation it's clearly a key and high profile position. We have presumably still a scouting network, you know the one that found Etebo in Portugal. We have a process that I think states we find 5 options for each position targeted, if we don't get choice A we move on to choice B etc. So how we end up with an ageing premiership player after a final payday (we have only given him a one year contract so we recognise that) and JM who we have all have seen enough of to know he defensive qualities are at best a joke. WBA fans told us that when we bought him and I have seen nothing to change that view, he loses his man and makes rash badly timed tackles. It's a touch odd NJ ditched Pieters who NJ didn't rate but who clearly is a better defender than McClean and actually scored 2 in 21 as a full-back compared to McClean's 3 in 42 as an attacking forward!! Something has gone wrong in this recruitment either the process wasn't carried out with finding 5 potential options. If thats the case then the recruitment team remains unfit for purpose. Or is it Jones's insistence that we fish in the 'not wanted ageing prem player, lower championship/League one pool' and this has not delivered. Either way it really is a shambles when Jones has to turn water into wine with JM. It's no wonder Jones last night sounded a touch spiky and stressed rather than his normal super positive persona. I think I've distanced myself from religiously attaching myself to Jones. I just came to accept that he is our manager, and as I've said I'm willing to give him 3-5 years, before I will utter the words Jones. And sack, in the same sentence. I think it was always Jones' master plan that he would find a space in the team for McClean. So he never drew up a list of many lbs, one because he allegedly doesn't do fullbacks (which is why he signed two of them in the summer), and two because he completely trusts the man. While I could never join him in his faith, there is nonetheless something appealing in a masterclass manager trusting such a limited player. I said in another thread he must be able to see something, which none of us are able to see, and I can hardly wait fo find out what it is. |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 30, 2019 12:43:01 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a q and a with the fans? Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. |
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 30, 2019 13:09:36 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a q and a with the fans? Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. What was Hughes' one like and how did he come across? |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 30, 2019 13:18:16 GMT
I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. What was Hughes' one like and how did he come across? I thoroughly enjoyed it and he came across as very friendly, relaxed and affable at the time, to me anyway. It is only fair to point out that it took place when I think we were doing quite well, results wise, I imagine that makes an enormous difference. I can't imagine any manager gaining much from such a session if he was under pressure if I'm honest. |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 30, 2019 13:35:28 GMT
Come back when you've grown up you clearly want to make an impact try doing it without abuse and i might engage but for now nah I won't bother. I like a laugh but try and do it without abuse it's a bit uncalled for. You don't know me so try and be a bit respectful or if not just leave me alone I have no time for childish nonesence. Night. I only pointed out that you are guilty of exactly what you are moaning at others for. I know the truth hurts but I think it’s you who needs to grow up. I really could not give two hoots about making an impact. Page 5. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/289060/horrible-negative-site?page=5 |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 13:38:30 GMT
I have to accept it as it’s not my decision But I respect his views as he is the manager and if there is no one he deems fit available then so be it. I’m sure we will sign the correct players over the next few windows We have to remember the FFP restrictions and have to cut our cloth accordingly If we signed someone as a makeweight as we have in the past we may not be able to afford the correct players wages/fee when he is available. But with everything that has gone before we know that there's a good chance that the manager isn't actually happy with it. Left back was the key transfer this window and we've so far cocked it up. How will that fit if they sign Gayle like they want to? I honestly think the lure of the premiership did for our left back And Gayle is just a journeyman mercenary for sale or hire to the highest bidder |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 13:48:04 GMT
Yes me calling you out for doing exactly what you said others were doing is exactly the same as people saying Bayern has no life outside the site and others jumping on it. You clearly not going to see the point I'm trying to make and that's fine but given you have yourself this morning told someone you've accused someone of being "fanatical" about Edwards and that they won't see it no matter "how many times [you] explain it [them]" I'm sure you'll understand (Edwards! Page 3 if we need to quote now). You called me an abusive bully and a clown yesterday for making a joke so I think we just leave this here now before anything gets even more hypocritical. |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 30, 2019 14:25:11 GMT
Yes me calling you out for doing exactly what you said others were doing is exactly the same as people saying Bayern has no life outside the site and others jumping on it. You clearly not going to see the point I'm trying to make and that's fine but given you have yourself this morning told someone you've accused someone of being "fanatical" about Edwards and that they won't see it no matter "how many times [you] explain it [them]" I'm sure you'll understand (Edwards! Page 3 if we need to quote now). You called me an abusive bully and a clown yesterday for making a joke so I think we just leave this here now before anything gets even more hypocritical. I don't mind the hypocrite part a reasonable post I object to the arsehole part first off you don't know me to judge if that's correct or not, second in your own words personal abuse is unacceptable and does is make you feel big abusing people your words not mine. That's my point, by all means call me out no problem I've made mistakes and apologised more than once just do it with some restraint and respect. |
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