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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 19:27:28 GMT
He clearly did. Which is fine. You need a plan B-Z of targets that are similar. To not get one is really poor. Depends on what they were asking if it wasn’t within the budget it’s time to move So there wasn’t a player in world football that was in budget for such an important role? Ok. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2019 19:36:53 GMT
Depends on what they were asking if it wasn’t within the budget it’s time to move So there wasn’t a player in world football that was in budget for such an important role? Ok. There was he wanted ward signed ward that’s where he got to on the list of players he wanted. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just facts it’s better than him turning around and saying fuck it never wanted him not interested like Pauli’s did with brek Shea |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 19:42:36 GMT
So there wasn’t a player in world football that was in budget for such an important role? Ok. There was he wanted ward signed ward that’s where he got to on the list of players he wanted. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just facts it’s better than him turning around and saying fuck it never wanted him not interested like Pauli’s did with brek Shea No one is saying it’s a conspiracy. Just that it’s standard Stoke recruitment. |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 30, 2019 19:46:35 GMT
There was he wanted ward signed ward that’s where he got to on the list of players he wanted. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just facts it’s better than him turning around and saying fuck it never wanted him not interested like Pauli’s did with brek Shea No one is saying it’s a conspiracy. Just that it’s standard Stoke recruitment. Can't agree more. Same mess different season. Two years ago we let Bardsley go to Burnley and kept Old Man Johnson, then ended up playing a forward as a fullback. Now we let Pieters go to Burnley and signed Old Man Ward, and will end up with a forward playing fullback. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 19:51:19 GMT
No one is saying it’s a conspiracy. Just that it’s standard Stoke recruitment. Can't agree more. Same mess different season. Two years ago we let Bardsley go to Burnley and kept Old Man Johnson, then ended up playing a forward as a fullback. Now we let Pieters go to Burnley and signed Old Man Ward, and will end up with a forward playing fullback. Yup, it’s just history repeating. Fair play to McClean if he can do as well as Diouf coped out there too. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 30, 2019 19:52:54 GMT
Make do and mend in one full back position and over £10M worth of talent in the other. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is it an important position or not? Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 30, 2019 21:17:08 GMT
Make do and mend in one full back position and over £10M worth of talent in the other. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is it an important position or not? Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. He contradicts himself once a week at least. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2019 21:38:59 GMT
Make do and mend in one full back position and over £10M worth of talent in the other. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is it an important position or not? Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 21:41:38 GMT
Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. Did you see his penalty comment after the game on Saturday? For a positive bloke, he sounded like me talking about it. That worries me. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2019 21:45:19 GMT
He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. Did you see his penalty comment after the game on Saturday? For a positive bloke, he sounded like me talking about it. That worries me. The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 21:47:38 GMT
Make do and mend in one full back position and over £10M worth of talent in the other. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is it an important position or not? Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. It's all a complete contradiction when his old club have just sold 10M worth of full backs straight to the premier league. One was a converted winger and the other was a converted right to left back. He must have some talent as a coach, I say. It takes a certain amount of talent to take a converted winger and a converted right back and turn them into 10M worth of talent. We've had managers here in the past that have played and managed to a much higher level than Jones has, and in some fans eyes ever will, and have taken numerous 12-18M+ players and turned them into players that nobody else wants overnight. Now that is a very different type of special talent! |
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Post by baystokie on Jul 30, 2019 21:54:31 GMT
Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. I'm all for differing opinions/verdicts (purpose of this forum) but I do think we should do less psycho-analysis of every word the manager utters. Most of us give the impression we spend our time reading tealeaves , often to fit in with our own persuasion. We don't know the man and we are trying to second-guess him based on the nuances supposedly hidden in every sentence. He has not been here long enough for judgements based largely on what may/may not ever happen. Commenting is harmless enough but none of us has a crystal ball (except for ITKs of course) to know whether or not we are talking bollocks or not. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 21:56:16 GMT
Did you see his penalty comment after the game on Saturday? For a positive bloke, he sounded like me talking about it. That worries me. The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. This one: Give them to Nick powell would be a good start I agree. But wasn’t it the case Vokes has either never missed one or missed about 1 in 10 before he joined us? Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Then you see this: And I know he’s being flippant and it is funny but that’s the mentality around the place. You have an ultra positive bloke and he’s being cynical and negative about something that is mental. Total defeatism. |
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Post by tomcmod on Jul 30, 2019 21:57:48 GMT
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Post by baystokie on Jul 30, 2019 21:59:10 GMT
Did you see his penalty comment after the game on Saturday? For a positive bloke, he sounded like me talking about it. That worries me. The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. It also showed a manager's natural instinct to close ranks and not publically join in the pisstake. He may have had a different chat with the players to what he came out with in his interview but he'd never say. The players have to know that he will back them especially when we don't or the s--t hits the fan or the natives become restless. |
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Post by baystokie on Jul 30, 2019 22:00:32 GMT
The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. This one: I agree. But wasn’t it the case Vokes has either never missed one or missed about 1 in 10 before he joined us? Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Then you see this: And I know he’s being flippant and it is funny but that’s the mentality around the place. You have an ultra positive bloke and he’s being cynical and negative about something that is mental. Total defeatism. Hogwash! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 22:03:25 GMT
He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. I'm all for differing opinions/verdicts (purpose of this forum) but I do think we should do less psycho-analysis of every word the manager utters. Most of us give the impression we spend our time reading tealeaves , often to fit in with our own persuasion. We don't know the man and we are trying to second-guess him based on the nuances supposedly hidden in every sentence. He has not been here long enough for judgements based largely on what may/may not ever happen. Commenting is harmless enough but none of us has a crystal ball (except for ITKs of course) to know whether or not we are talking bollocks or not. We are just genuinely trying to work out what he’s on about! Is the left back a specialist position or can you play a winger there and hope for the best? Are we having a youthful team or signing 30 year old? Are we buying players better than what we have or just what’s around at the time? Why have we bought two strikers if neither are good enough? Are we expecting promotion or part of a 3 year rebuild? Literally trying to reconcile what he says, with what he does, then what he says the next week...harsh maybe but it’s veey confusing if you’re actually listening. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2019 22:09:13 GMT
He certainly sounded antsy at times didn't he? Hopefully it was just a bad day because without his positivity and unshakeable self belief, I'm not convinced there's a lot else there at this stage. I'm all for differing opinions/verdicts (purpose of this forum) but I do think we should do less psycho-analysis of every word the manager utters. Most of us give the impression we spend our time reading tealeaves , often to fit in with our own persuasion. We don't know the man and we are trying to second-guess him based on the nuances supposedly hidden in every sentence. He has not been here long enough for judgements based largely on what may/may not ever happen. Commenting is harmless enough but none of us has a crystal ball (except for ITKs of course) to know whether or not we are talking bollocks or not. I get that, particularly how you might use it to confirm your own preconceived ideas but I genuinely thought he came across as a bit pissed off and a bit world weary both after Leicester and more so last night. It certainly sounded in contrast to his first few months here and to his reaction to the Tranmere and Lincoln games just a few days earlier, where everything and everybody was very, very, good! Maybe that's what being Stoke manager does to you after a while! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 22:09:42 GMT
This one: Total defeatism. Hogwash! In what way? His whole schtick is positivity and no negative thoughts allowed. He’s given up there! |
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 30, 2019 22:12:54 GMT
In what way? His whole schtick is positivity and no negative thoughts allowed. He’s given up there! Ultra positive people always turn eventually. Don't trust them.  |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 30, 2019 22:13:52 GMT
Also emphasising “round pegs for round holes” in one part of the interview and then completely contradicting that sentiment in highlighting the work that has be done to convert a winger to a full back. The more I think about this interview the more I think he sounded downbeat, befuddled and more than a little testy. Not exactly exuding conviction, which is worrying because that’s supposed to be his whole schtick... Fingers crossed it all comes together for the season I guess. He contradicts himself once a week at least. Maybe he’s doing a Walt Whitman on it: “do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes”. Or maybe he just forgot what he said last week 🤣 |
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 31, 2019 0:18:58 GMT
The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. This one: I agree. But wasn’t it the case Vokes has either never missed one or missed about 1 in 10 before he joined us? Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Then you see this: And I know he’s being flippant and it is funny but that’s the mentality around the place. You have an ultra positive bloke and he’s being cynical and negative about something that is mental. Total defeatism. Am I missing something from that clip? Is he not just saying “you expect to score a penalty but we don’t [score the penalty]”, in the sense of narrating the game..? |
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 31, 2019 2:30:33 GMT
Watching that hart interview doesnt fill me with confidence.
Seems like a nice bloke but hes not the quickest, might be just a bit camera shy who knows?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2019 6:58:12 GMT
This one: Total defeatism. Am I missing something from that clip? Is he not just saying “you expect to score a penalty but we don’t [score the penalty]”, in the sense of narrating the game..? The bit at the end “we don’t expect to score penalties”. Just not what I want the manager saying however truthful tbh! |
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2019 7:04:24 GMT
I think Lee Blakeman's role was to take some blunt audience questions and present them to Nathan in such a way he didn't blow his top.
Nathan is bristling with suppressed indignation most of the way through as it is.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 31, 2019 7:17:11 GMT
The bit about the crowd betrayed a bit of a thin skin didn't it. Its us poor bastards who've seen us miss 13 of the last 16 or whatever madness it is. I think the crowd are well within their rights to take the piss a bit. This one: I agree. But wasn’t it the case Vokes has either never missed one or missed about 1 in 10 before he joined us? Makes you wonder doesn’t it. Then you see this: And I know he’s being flippant and it is funny but that’s the mentality around the place. You have an ultra positive bloke and he’s being cynical and negative about something that is mental. Total defeatism. Tripe!!! He made an off the cuff joke about missing penalties. Christ get a life |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 31, 2019 7:19:11 GMT
Am I missing something from that clip? Is he not just saying “you expect to score a penalty but we don’t [score the penalty]”, in the sense of narrating the game..? The bit at the end “we don’t expect to score penalties”. Just not what I want the manager saying however truthful tbh! If Harry Rednapp had said it, it would be taken in the context as it was meant........A joke. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 31, 2019 7:22:44 GMT
NJ’s learning fast. He’ll have to join the queue and wait like the rest of us for the next footballing insight from the master |
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Post by tosh on Jul 31, 2019 7:47:17 GMT
I think Lee Blakeman's role was to take some blunt audience questions and present them to Nathan in such a way he didn't blow his top. Nathan is bristling with suppressed indignation most of the way through as it is. Think you hit the nail on the head there and it’s a bit worrying. He sounds like a man feeling the pressure and lacking the early confidence and conviction. Fingers crossed for a good start! |
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2019 7:55:27 GMT
I think Lee Blakeman's role was to take some blunt audience questions and present them to Nathan in such a way he didn't blow his top. Nathan is bristling with suppressed indignation most of the way through as it is. Think you hit the nail on the head there and it’s a bit worrying. He sounds like a man feeling the pressure and lacking the early confidence and conviction. Fingers crossed for a good start! Yep, 'momentum" is the watchword, we haven't really had it for 3 seasons, we need a good start like never before, it would take the tension out of the air. |
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