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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 14:26:35 GMT
But with everything that has gone before we know that there's a good chance that the manager isn't actually happy with it. Left back was the key transfer this window and we've so far cocked it up. How will that fit if they sign Gayle like they want to? I honestly think the lure of the premiership did for our left back And Gayle is just a journeyman mercenary for sale or hire to the highest bidder Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 14:31:45 GMT
Yes me calling you out for doing exactly what you said others were doing is exactly the same as people saying Bayern has no life outside the site and others jumping on it. You clearly not going to see the point I'm trying to make and that's fine but given you have yourself this morning told someone you've accused someone of being "fanatical" about Edwards and that they won't see it no matter "how many times [you] explain it [them]" I'm sure you'll understand (Edwards! Page 3 if we need to quote now). You called me an abusive bully and a clown yesterday for making a joke so I think we just leave this here now before anything gets even more hypocritical. I don't mind the hypocrite part a reasonable post I object to the arsehole part first off you don't know me to judge if that's correct or not, second in your own words personal abuse is unacceptable and does is make you feel big abusing people your words not mine. That's my point, by all means call me out no problem I've made mistakes and apologised more than once just do it with some restraint and respect. I've told you it was a joke. I genuinely thought you would get it from the statue jokes the night before but unfortunately I had pressed enter by accident and you had seen it before I could click edit to fix it. It was an attempt to lighten the tone which failed. If I caused you offence I am genuinely sorry but at no point have I ever said it makes me feel big to abuse people so that is a lie (and extremely rude) nor have I ever sought to abuse anyone and I did not mean to upset you. I thought you would understand the joke and I was wrong. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 30, 2019 15:04:40 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a q and a with the fans? Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting TP wouldn't have done one for 2 reasons 1. He held the supporters in massive contempt 2. He would have been paranoid that something would have come out about tactics which would be put on the Oatcake for the opposition to read.... They are pointless exercises in my opinion. |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 30, 2019 15:06:43 GMT
I thought Jones came over quite well but is clearly a man on a mission and is maybe unsure why the fans are not as enthusiastic as he is . He values everyone pulling together and seemed a little put out that fans shouted for Jack to take the pen on Sat , although to be fair I think that was light hearted banter as far as I could tell .
I sent in the question about pace and maybe didn't phrase it as well as I could , clearly some of them can run quickly Afobe will do it with the right early pass . My concern is the pace and tempo of our play at times and I'm hoping that is going to pick up otherwise we might struggle to break some teams down .
I do think we are going to be a lot stronger than last year , pretty tough to beat will be nice to see a few goals going in from our strikers to get confidence early season and I hope the atmosphere picks up , it does make a difference up there , no doubt about that.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 30, 2019 15:09:50 GMT
I like him his results are the be all and end all though. However as a person he seems like a decent bloke and answers the best he can without betraying a confidence.
I hope he does well for us and him.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jul 30, 2019 16:03:41 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a q and a with the fans? Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting TP wouldn't have done one for 2 reasons 1. He held the supporters in massive contempt 2. He would have been paranoid that something would have come out about tactics which would be put on the Oatcake for the opposition to read.... They are pointless exercises in my opinion. Thought the very same last night. Blakeman trying to be like Martin Bashir, but ending up asking a load of inane questions. NJ straight batting it and giving absolutely nothing away. Legions of amateur psychologists micro-dissecting his every word. Absolute load of Tommy-rot! I think NJ thought the same too. He’d much rather be doing his real job. |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 16:04:09 GMT
I honestly think the lure of the premiership did for our left back And Gayle is just a journeyman mercenary for sale or hire to the highest bidder Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 16:35:53 GMT
Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him The issue with this isn’t necessarily trusting him or not. What’s happened between last season where we had a good chance to blood McClean at left back and didn’t to him being the first choice now. The thinking isn’t clear or logical. It makes no sense at any level. Actions don’t match the words. |
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2019 16:41:34 GMT
Obviously Jones has tried to fill the position then thought fcku it, who can run about a lot who’ll put a shift in and hey presto we have a really shite footballer shoehorned in.
Really shoddy management and decision making
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 30, 2019 16:44:11 GMT
Silly question but did Hughes or Pulis ever do one of these interviews or a q and a with the fans? Cant imagine Hughes wouldve though would have been interesting I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. I believe TP did a couple in his first spell when they were a more regular thing. He definitely did one when he first came back which supposedly got quite heated when the topic of Carl Hoefkens came up. To be fair to him, it probably took some nerve to go and answer questions in a hostile atmosphere for a few hours. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 30, 2019 16:45:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:47:00 GMT
Obviously Jones has tried to fill the position then thought fcku it, who can run about a lot who’ll put a shift in and hey presto we have a really shite footballer shoehorned in. Really shoddy management and decision making I think he was so sure of getting JJ - first in January when he let Pieters go (otherwise that was just utterly bizarre and I believe JJ was spotted at CW but I could be wrong) and then again in this transfer window - he didn't have any back-up plan. I also don't think he had enough knowledge of other leagues (other than League One) to identify any others and that's not a criticism because clearly all his time was spent in League One. I don't think he's gone and sought out word I think someones given his a list and he's had to pick one (and that's probably why that person has gone because its clear an inexperienced manager and a chief scout who can't scout isn't going to work). |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 16:57:12 GMT
Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him We can still question it though. It might work out fine, it's just distinctly odd and a bit worrying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 17:00:29 GMT
I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him We can still question it though. It might work out fine, it's just distinctly odd and a bit worrying. I like him. I think he'll do alright. But its ridiculously weird especially when he's gone on and on about it being such a specialist and key position. The two views are definitely not mutually exclusive! |
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 17:25:33 GMT
I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him The issue with this isn’t necessarily trusting him or not. What’s happened between last season where we had a good chance to blood McClean at left back and didn’t to him being the first choice now. The thinking isn’t clear or logical. It makes no sense at any level. Actions don’t match the words. Maybe he thought he could get justin or another ? |
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Post by salopian on Jul 30, 2019 17:26:01 GMT
So there’s no one in the world of football for us? So we have a 34 year old and Jimmy McClean.  Please Yea there’s plenty but they may have the wrong attitude Be too expensive Be too old Be a twat and a bad influence or just plain old wank And you honestly think all of those points you listed weren't Features of Mclean!! Give me strength! If all you need to run around is a good attitude then we really haven't rectified last season!
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Post by s7oke on Jul 30, 2019 17:27:59 GMT
I agree but maybe we haven’t Frustrating it is but looks like McLean will get the nod We don’t know what has happened but we have to trust him We can still question it though. It might work out fine, it's just distinctly odd and a bit worrying. I agree totally but something must have gone wrong on the recruiting front Or we are paying the penalty for shit buys over the past few seasons for whatever reason and now the FFP has kicked in |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 30, 2019 17:31:45 GMT
The issue with this isn’t necessarily trusting him or not. What’s happened between last season where we had a good chance to blood McClean at left back and didn’t to him being the first choice now. The thinking isn’t clear or logical. It makes no sense at any level. Actions don’t match the words. Maybe he thought he could get justin or another ? He clearly did. Which is fine. You need a plan B-Z of targets that are similar. To not get one is really poor. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 17:31:59 GMT
We can still question it though. It might work out fine, it's just distinctly odd and a bit worrying. I agree totally but something must have gone wrong on the recruiting front Or we are paying the penalty for shit buys over the past few seasons for whatever reason and now the FFP has kicked in Something has gone wrong on the recruiting front, yes. Which is worrying. |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 30, 2019 17:51:16 GMT
I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. I believe TP did a couple in his first spell when they were a more regular thing. He definitely did one when he first came back which supposedly got quite heated when the topic of Carl Hoefkens came up. To be fair to him, it probably took some nerve to go and answer questions in a hostile atmosphere for a few hours. He may well have done, I had a lot of other stuff going on during his first spell and was living out of the area, I'd imagine it did take a lot of nerve, think at the time of the one that got cancelled we were somewhat on the slide. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 30, 2019 17:51:48 GMT
I honestly think the lure of the premiership did for our left back And Gayle is just a journeyman mercenary for sale or hire to the highest bidder Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. Maybe they hadn't, we could have talked to 20+ for all we know. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 30, 2019 17:55:10 GMT
Why have we only identified one left back target though? That’s the issue. Maybe they hadn't, we could have talked to 20+ for all we know. Jones suggested on the radio that they hadn't been able to find one they liked. That seems bizarre given the importance of the position and the length of time he's known we've needed one. I'd assumed that was the number one priority going into pre-season. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 30, 2019 17:57:45 GMT
Make do and mend in one full back position and over £10M worth of talent in the other.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Is it an important position or not?
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Post by salopian on Jul 30, 2019 18:08:40 GMT
The left back thing is absolutely wild. To suggest that there is nobody out there, in a key position to the system that we’ve known we needed since before Jones came to the club, is just clown shoe, can’t open a tin of beans incompetent. But it's his system and he clearly rates McClean and trusts what he has seen enough to believe that he can do a job; he thinks there is no immediate player that jumps out that he can guarantee is better, that is also currently attainable within our means. A manager lives or dies by his decisions and the results that they bring. Let's give him a chance though. Correct me if i'm wrong but when Jones arrived didn't he tell McClean to find another club?? Hence he was linked to Forest? If this is not true then fair enough, but if I is true how come he didn't think he was good enough as first choice or second ( as he just said he wants two for each position ) in his natural out wide position ( which I certainly don't think he is good enough ) , yet suddenly he is good enough to play in an unfamiliar position of LB ??
So does he rate him or not? Will he suddenly do all the things he couldn't manage last season ( beat and man and cross a ball, and come back and defend well) but be able to them further back down he pitch in an alien position!! I'm sure we will soon find out alright!!
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Post by kelw on Jul 30, 2019 18:18:25 GMT
But it's his system and he clearly rates McClean and trusts what he has seen enough to believe that he can do a job; he thinks there is no immediate player that jumps out that he can guarantee is better, that is also currently attainable within our means. A manager lives or dies by his decisions and the results that they bring. Let's give him a chance though. Correct me if i'm wrong but when Jones arrived didn't he tell McClean to find another club?? Hence he was linked to Forest? If this is not true then fair enough, but if I is true how come he didn't think he was good enough as first choice or second ( as he just said he wants two for each position ) in his natural out wide position ( which I certainly don't think he is good enough ) , yet suddenly he is good enough to play in an unfamiliar position of LB ??
So does he rate him or not? Will he suddenly do all the things he couldn't manage last season ( beat and man and cross a ball, and come back and defend well) but be able to them further back down he pitch in an alien position!! I'm sure we will soon find out alright!!
Don't remember that to be fair. Always thought Jones seem to take to him. MO'N seemed to be the Forest link as a huge fan of McClean. Got them two huge wins in his times as ROI coach, Austria and Wales away |
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Post by salopian on Jul 30, 2019 18:33:53 GMT
He can’t defend though. And call me old fashioned but that’s pretty key to his role. The manager would have you believe he's learning.
Learning which bit!!! ( Positioning / Defending / beating a player / crossing a decent ball) !! I can safely say he has a significant amount to learn and bloody fast!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
But it's his system and he clearly rates McClean and trusts what he has seen enough to believe that he can do a job; he thinks there is no immediate player that jumps out that he can guarantee is better, that is also currently attainable within our means. A manager lives or dies by his decisions and the results that they bring. Let's give him a chance though. Correct me if i'm wrong but when Jones arrived didn't he tell McClean to find another club?? Hence he was linked to Forest? (...)
So does he rate him or not?
That's just a slight twist on what actually happened. When O'Neill was put in charge at Forest, he was, as always happens, instantly linked with Irish players whom he seemed to have an affinity to, and one of them was McClean. When asked Jones said that (nearly) all his players were available, including McClean whom he barely knew at the time. He was keen on sales bringing money in, so that his budget was larger. But over the course of the remainder of the season, Jones grew increasingly fonder of McClean, as he saw that he was one that could always be relied on for effort, and also because McCLean seemed to be the player in training who was most receptive to his ideas. So now he rates him very highly and McClean is the first name on his team sheet, whether it'd be in a version of the ten or in defence. He can't play McClean as winger, because wingers don't exist in Jones' jewelry box. So McClean, ever ready to do what his manager asks of him, gets slotted into the defensive wide left. He has limited qualifications for that, but he can only get better with time and patience. Or so it seems. Whether scfc diehards stand to profit from this innovative measure remains to be seen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 19:15:12 GMT
The manager would have you believe he's learning.
Learning which bit!!! ( Positioning / Defending / beating a player / crossing a decent ball) !!
You'll have to ask the manager. |
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Post by questionable on Jul 30, 2019 19:22:08 GMT
I went to a q and a at the Bet365 where MH and Ryan answered fans questions, they were moderated tho', as they likely were last night. Can't remember one by TP, I remember one being organised with him (think it was scheduled to be in Delilahs) because I remember predicting it'd be cancelled a couple of months before it actually was. I believe TP did a couple in his first spell when they were a more regular thing. He definitely did one when he first came back which supposedly got quite heated when the topic of Carl Hoefkens came up. To be fair to him, it probably took some nerve to go and answer questions in a hostile atmosphere for a few hours. Inexperienced without doubt and the more I think about the more I think what Jones actually achieved at Luton was purely down to the poor league he was managing in, he has no knowledge or know how about this league his football last season was dire and his signings so far are, well pretty amateurish to say the least. He’ll soon get found out at this level. Other than talking a good job nothing inspires me about the job he’s done or trying to do. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 30, 2019 19:25:39 GMT
Maybe he thought he could get justin or another ? He clearly did. Which is fine. You need a plan B-Z of targets that are similar. To not get one is really poor. Depends on what they were asking if it wasn’t within the budget it’s time to move |
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