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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 26, 2019 9:54:44 GMT
I think its really nice of the club to let all supporters know who will be serving them their Big Mac and Fries going forward. good luck in your new career Mark. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2019 10:55:12 GMT
If true then they should also be looking for new jobs in the very near future, hopefully fat boy's departure will lead to the truth coming out about the responsibility for our obvious lack of due diligence surrounding many of our transfer dealings. Fancy being the person who calls for wholesale redundancies from a company, despite knowing jack shit whether or not the people involved are good at their jobs or have been following guidelines set down to them correctly. Not sure Peter and John will be taking a great deal of notice of me, but you never know if these people are incompetent they deserve to be shown the door just like Cartwright has been way to late mind, the club is rotten top to bottom as evidenced by our recent rapid decline, fact is if you are shit at your job you end up losing the job that is just life. |
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Post by skelman on Jul 26, 2019 11:15:35 GMT
Thank goodness we've got shut of this sh1t at the club. Can't think of a more unpopular character with the fans. Cartwright has cost us dearly in so many ways. Years of football knowledge - my backside!  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
So, erm, what now then?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 26, 2019 11:25:11 GMT
Scambled egg on toast and a coffee, then a walk round Westport lake. you? |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 26, 2019 11:25:41 GMT
He's a cigar and white suit away from Den Perry in that photo
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Post by Davef on Jul 26, 2019 11:26:48 GMT
Thank goodness we've got shut of this sh1t at the club. Can't think of a more unpopular character with the fans. Cartwright has cost us dearly in so many ways. Years of football knowledge - my backside! Instrumental in bringing Bojan to the club wasn't he, as well as Tyrese Campbell by all accounts. Who knows, maybe he played a big part in Nathan Collins arriving here? I'm not saying the bloke is perfect, and I wouldn't profess that I know his exact role at the club, but what exactly is it you'll be expecting from Mark Cartwright's successor? |
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 26, 2019 11:36:16 GMT
I've said it many times that we need some fresh blood and vision brought in at the top of the structure of the club. It should have been done when we were riding high in the Premier League. We didn't instead chose one of John Coates mates and beer waiter. With Jones appointment we lack any real knowledge or major contacts overseas.Jones's recruitment so far has endorsed that view. Not sure there is any rush to appoint and we should cast the net far and wide to get the very best Tech Director possible. As I said before please don't let the manager decide or make a lazy buddy appointment. We have the money to pay for the best, for me ideally from the Bundesliga. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2019 11:36:50 GMT
Scambled egg on toast and a coffee, then a walk round Westport lake. you? Got go the dentist. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2019 11:37:28 GMT
I've said it many times that we need some fresh blood and vision brought in at the top of the structure of the club. It should have been done when we were riding high in the Premier League. We didn't instead chose one of John Coates mates and beer waiter. With Jones appointment we lack any real knowledge or major contacts overseas.Jones's recruitment so far has endorsed that view. Not sure there is any rush to appoint and we should cast the net far and wide to get the very best Tech Director possible. As I said before please don't let the manager decide or make a lazy buddy appointment. We have the money to pay for the best, for me ideally from the Bundesliga. Agree some fresh blood is needed. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 26, 2019 11:38:52 GMT
Thank goodness we've got shut of this sh1t at the club. Can't think of a more unpopular character with the fans. Cartwright has cost us dearly in so many ways. Years of football knowledge - my backside! All that time spent at Leek Town paid off. |
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 26, 2019 13:01:01 GMT
Thank goodness we've got shut of this sh1t at the club. Can't think of a more unpopular character with the fans. Cartwright has cost us dearly in so many ways. Years of football knowledge - my backside! Instrumental in bringing Bojan to the club wasn't he, as well as Tyrese Campbell by all accounts. Who knows, maybe he played a big part in Nathan Collins arriving here? I'm not saying the bloke is perfect, and I wouldn't profess that I know his exact role at the club, but what exactly is it you'll be expecting from Mark Cartwright's successor? Arnie, Shaq, Butland, Muni, Pieters, Indi, are all player sources for the club by Cartwright as far as I’m aware. I’m not defending him by the way it’s just we have to remember it’s all been the mangers decision on signing the players and using them! Perhaps character should have been looked at more with some of the signings as it’s probably been more that which has cost us than players ability. |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 26, 2019 13:40:31 GMT
I wonder if it came out that he was involved in let’s say,
Eric, Arnie, Shaq, Etebo.
And was completely overruled on Wimmer Imbula and Berahino.
I wonder what people’s opinions of him would be like.
Until we ACTUALLY know the process and who agreed to who, it’s hard to blame him solely.
If he had found Kante before hughes saw imbula and hughes over ruled him, how is that fair on Carto.
Do I want an upgrade yes. Just hard to lay everything at his door when me and everyone else doesn’t under stand who are his signings and who aren’t.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 26, 2019 13:41:21 GMT
Thank goodness we've got shut of this sh1t at the club. Can't think of a more unpopular character with the fans. Cartwright has cost us dearly in so many ways. Years of football knowledge - my backside! Instrumental in bringing Bojan to the club wasn't he, as well as Tyrese Campbell by all accounts. Who knows, maybe he played a big part in Nathan Collins arriving here? I'm not saying the bloke is perfect, and I wouldn't profess that I know his exact role at the club, but what exactly is it you'll be expecting from Mark Cartwright's successor? Hadn’t read this but posted something similar myself. Hard to blame him as no one actually knows who he brought forward to be signed. |
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 26, 2019 13:50:34 GMT
Instrumental in bringing Bojan to the club wasn't he, as well as Tyrese Campbell by all accounts. Who knows, maybe he played a big part in Nathan Collins arriving here? I'm not saying the bloke is perfect, and I wouldn't profess that I know his exact role at the club, but what exactly is it you'll be expecting from Mark Cartwright's successor? Hadn’t read this but posted something similar myself. Hard to blame him as no one actually knows who he brought forward to be signed. I think it's clear in recruitment we were terrible at spending money (Imbula/Wimmer) but we have been pretty proficient in picking up young talent for the future. If Mark was in charge of the youth then someone else needs to be sacked, if he was behind the money being spent then he should have gone a long time ago, if he was behind both then someone should have realised this pattern and brought someone else in to manage the higher profile purchases and they deserve to lose their job. We are a business and someone has been throwing money away for too long and it is now coming back to haunt us |
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Post by numberounominion on Jul 26, 2019 14:04:23 GMT
interesting that when TP thought we didn't need a mark cartwright ,no one would listen When Jones thinks we don't need a mark cartwright , they will listen
I would be interested to know , how much money those running the club spent on deciding ( eventually ) they agree with the TP and Jones
IF there ever was , ' a role ', it was probably what TP had in mind , when he wanted to bring in top class former England internationals like Gerry Francis and Peter Reid , for advice and a second opinion on transfer spending , coaching , team shape and game management .
I can genuinely understand why a TP or an NJ might want to listen to the opinion of Francis and Reid on all of the above .
But why on earth, would they be interested in Mark Cartwrights opinion , on any of it ?
The very reason ‘the process’ was introduced was because Pulis had lost his marbles in the transfer market. Agreed , Pulis was less good without Francis / Reid
Peter Reid in particular , had massive experience of the game as a player , coach and manager . He is held in the sort of regard in Sunderland that Lou Macari is held in , in stoke . He was above merely competent . He was an excellent chap for TP to turn to for advice .
Pulis , not supported by someone of Peter Reid's authority , was simply not as good .
I have never met NJ , but reading between the lines , I think he would be happier discussing matters with a Peter Reid/ mick harford type than a Mark Cartwright type .
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 26, 2019 14:18:34 GMT
I wonder if it came out that he was involved in let’s say, Eric, Arnie, Shaq, Etebo. And was completely overruled on Wimmer Imbula and Berahino. I wonder what people’s opinions of him would be like. Until we ACTUALLY know the process and who agreed to who, it’s hard to blame him solely. If he had found Kante before hughes saw imbula and hughes over ruled him, how is that fair on Carto. Do I want an upgrade yes. Just hard to lay everything at his door when me and everyone else doesn’t under stand who are his signings and who aren’t. If the above is true and Carto wants to redeem his reputation, then it's up to him to come out in the media and spill the beans. If he signed a non-disclosure agreement and walked away with a fat payoff, then he only has himself to blame or indeed... he actually was the reason the process was a shambles. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 26, 2019 14:27:38 GMT
The very reason ‘the process’ was introduced was because Pulis had lost his marbles in the transfer market. Agreed , Pulis was less good without Francis / Reid
Peter Reid in particular , had massive experience of the game as a player , coach and manager . He is held in the sort of regard in Sunderland that Lou Macari is held in , in stoke . He was above merely competent . He was an excellent chap for TP to turn to for advice .
Pulis , not supported by someone of Peter Reid's authority , was simply not as good .
I have never met NJ , but reading between the lines , I think he would be happier discussing matters with a Peter Reid/ mick harford type than a Mark Cartwright type .
I think that’s hugely overplayed to be honest. Peter Reid was here for one season and it was a mildly disappointing one in which we regressed in terms of the football we played and goals we scored from the season before. The seasons either side of the Reid season were a lot more enjoyable. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 26, 2019 14:30:26 GMT
Never seen a plane crash blamed on cabin crew error , somebody was ratifying all MCs views good bad or indifferent , that’s the change we need . Personally I think an upgrade would be great ,but no one knows how good or bad MC actually was we may get some light now , , ( indeed if previous managers are anything to go by he will be posthumously handed accountability for the bomb squad in its entirety with no involvement in anyone remotely successful ); but given our record in managerial recruitment and the holding of control , the next appointment will be a real signal in terms of ambition and process .
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 26, 2019 14:31:55 GMT
Leicesters success has been based on that initial success in scouting Kante etc. They have been sold for a fortune and good players bought to replace them, in contrast to us who have turned big money buys into financial disasters. Steve Walsh's reputation was made as a solid scout, when he made the step up to actual Director of Football at Everton and was given money to spend he was a disaster. It's a very weird role in football that requires a lot of skill sets, Walsh could clearly spot a player but couldn't control himself when given more resources. And with this in mind, Steve Walsh is exactly the man we should be going for to become Chief Scout. He is available too! |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 26, 2019 15:45:19 GMT
He's a cigar and white suit away from Den Perry in that photo Passing resemblance to Mike Ashley? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 15:49:53 GMT
He's a cigar and white suit away from Den Perry in that photo Maybe he’s got a job at the banana grove 🤔 |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 26, 2019 15:56:27 GMT
The very reason ‘the process’ was introduced was because Pulis had lost his marbles in the transfer market. Agreed , Pulis was less good without Francis / Reid
Peter Reid in particular , had massive experience of the game as a player , coach and manager . He is held in the sort of regard in Sunderland that Lou Macari is held in , in stoke . He was above merely competent . He was an excellent chap for TP to turn to for advice .
Pulis , not supported by someone of Peter Reid's authority , was simply not as good .
I have never met NJ , but reading between the lines , I think he would be happier discussing matters with a Peter Reid/ mick harford type than a Mark Cartwright type .
Or maybe a (dead) sheep? |
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Post by cdlstoke on Jul 26, 2019 15:57:08 GMT
Cartwright, Scholes just same as Moxey before, just do a job for Coates family. You can dress it up all you want. Coates family have final say, they could even sack them for not doing there job if there responsible for all the crap that’s gone on. They’ve let this carry on so they must take the full blame. Mind you that won’t suit the agenda of some in here!!
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Post by kronkie on Jul 26, 2019 16:54:35 GMT
Why wait until September?
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Post by ross1396 on Jul 26, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
I was sat behind Cartwright at the Tranmere game and Jones waved at him before and after the game, so clearly no bad blood there, maybe the double agent role at another club has some legs to it!😂😂
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Post by questionable on Jul 26, 2019 17:35:54 GMT
I think its really nice of the club to let all supporters know who will be serving them their Big Mac and Fries going forward. good luck in your new career Mark. Christ he’s certainly no looker |
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Post by questionable on Jul 26, 2019 17:42:29 GMT
Cartwright, Scholes just same as Moxey before, just do a job for Coates family. You can dress it up all you want. Coates family have final say, they could even sack them for not doing there job if there responsible for all the crap that’s gone on. They’ve let this carry on so they must take the full blame. Mind you that won’t suit the agenda of some in here!! Oh they’re very much to blame but will hide behind their puppets, so it’s one down one to go. No doubt Pete will be let out soon to baffle us all with a crock of shit story |
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Post by rawli on Jul 26, 2019 18:15:59 GMT
They are getting shut of all the C's......... just going through the alphabet Adam Berahino these 2 gentlemen whose next? Delap?
Glad we still haven't got David Xausa. You'll be happy to see how far down the list the chief executive is. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 26, 2019 22:27:46 GMT
Cartwright, Scholes just same as Moxey before, just do a job for Coates family. You can dress it up all you want. Coates family have final say, they could even sack them for not doing there job if there responsible for all the crap that’s gone on. They’ve let this carry on so they must take the full blame. Mind you that won’t suit the agenda of some in here!! For letting it go on so long... as with Sparky, yep this is totally at their door. But for the detail of how he's run his operation, not so much, not sure you can expect them to micro manage to that extent with a senior executive? I'm just unbelievably happy and relieved he's finally out the door. Anyone know how big the golden handshake will be?? |
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