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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 12:17:16 GMT
Forget messing around with Mick Hartford and suchlike, just spend the Dwight Gayle money on hoovering up Brentford's scouting system and algorithms. It'll pay for itself inside 18 months. Why? So we can finish mid table. And Brentford are the biggest spenders in the league so far this window. Brentford finish mid table because they sell all their best players, which I'm convinced wouldn't happen here on the same scale. They are the biggest spenders in the league because of all the money they generate from their exceptional scouting system, as opposed to us, a club that pays out 12-18M for players that we end up losing for nowt through a lack of basic due diligence. I'd just be happy with a system that found us players that were fit for purpose for a starting point, without risky fitness records or dodgy attitude problems, before trying to use the system to find players that are at the cheaper end of the scale. |
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 25, 2019 12:17:59 GMT
Is it coincidental that both Cruickshank & now Cartwright have departed in the last few months. Are we in herald in new beginnings?
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 25, 2019 12:18:33 GMT
The Sporting Director has a massive responsibility in terms of the clubs ambition and targets, we must appoint somebody with a philosophy for this role. Managers job. Except in modern football it isn’t. The Director of Football is the person who basically manages the club on a constant basis - managers are sacked and appointed but the DoF chooses the direction for the club year in, year out for a greater period of time. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 12:19:25 GMT
Why? So we can finish mid table. And Brentford are the biggest spenders in the league so far this window. Brentford finish mid table because they sell all their best players, which I'm convinced wouldn't happen here on the same scale. They are the biggest spenders in the league because of all the money they generate from their exceptional scouting system, as opposed to us, a club that pays out 12-18M for players that we end up losing for nowt through a lack of basic due diligence. I'd just be happy with a system that found us players that were fit for purpose for a starting point, without risky fitness records or dodgy attitude problems, before trying to use the system to find players that are at the cheaper end of the scale. Konsa and Maupay were bought for just under 4 million and will likely go for a combined sum of close to 35. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2019 12:20:50 GMT
Hope you've got a big fucking pan. He would cook in his own fat. |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 25, 2019 12:23:01 GMT
Best day of the transfer window so far IMO. Now to get a decent replacement who actually knows the game. Unless the role changes then it's unlikely we would attract the high calibre football savvy person we would want Scholes has far too much say over transfer & contract negotiations, until that responsibility is taken away from him the problem will persist A CEO has to control the budget and ensure the club/company complies with regulations and does not over spend. He is duty bound to ensure there is a sensible wage structure and prevent serious anomalies. Consequently he must have a say in employees terms and conditions. Whether we have the right/competent CEO is another matter. I have worked for many companies and there is a general view that after 3 years most managers have brought what they are can to a job and after 5 years they have exhausted their ideas, and fresh impetus is required. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 12:25:36 GMT
Is it coincidental that both Cruickshank & now Cartwright have departed in the last few months. Are we in herald in new beginnings? Perhaps, 'Major Overhaul', has finally put his boots on. |
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 25, 2019 12:27:50 GMT
Job losses to be announced at dominoes! How do you know that isn't where he's going to? "Dominos is delighted to announce the appointment of our new Director of Taste Testing, Mark Cartwright"  |
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 25, 2019 12:28:25 GMT
Lets hope the club use this to restructure at the top and provide some some strategic thinking that we desperately need.
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Post by stokeson on Jul 25, 2019 12:28:46 GMT
We shouldn't need a TD in Div1 Jones can do It.
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Post by fca47 on Jul 25, 2019 12:29:55 GMT
Leicesters success has been based on that initial success in scouting Kante etc. They have been sold for a fortune and good players bought to replace them, in contrast to us who have turned big money buys into financial disasters.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 25, 2019 12:32:59 GMT
Brentford finish mid table because they sell all their best players, which I'm convinced wouldn't happen here on the same scale. They are the biggest spenders in the league because of all the money they generate from their exceptional scouting system, as opposed to us, a club that pays out 12-18M for players that we end up losing for nowt through a lack of basic due diligence. I'd just be happy with a system that found us players that were fit for purpose for a starting point, without risky fitness records or dodgy attitude problems, before trying to use the system to find players that are at the cheaper end of the scale. Konsa and Maupay were bought for just under 4 million and will likely go for a combined sum of close to 35. That's great. They'll never be promoted. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 12:36:16 GMT
Leicesters success has been based on that initial success in scouting Kante etc. They have been sold for a fortune and good players bought to replace them, in contrast to us who have turned big money buys into financial disasters. Steve Walsh's reputation was made as a solid scout, when he made the step up to actual Director of Football at Everton and was given money to spend he was a disaster. It's a very weird role in football that requires a lot of skill sets, Walsh could clearly spot a player but couldn't control himself when given more resources. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 25, 2019 12:39:54 GMT
Konsa and Maupay were bought for just under 4 million and will likely go for a combined sum of close to 35. That's great. They'll never be promoted. Given some of the heavy weights around them, I don't think that's surprising at all. They've consistently finished 9th for the past few years now despite several managerial changes (managers being poached) and losing their best players. They'd barely stayed up more than a season in the 2nd tier before this, that's the size of the club we're dealing with here. So promotion is more of a long term project than it is for us. They're also incredibly well placed financially should they choose to make a push, which they are doing this season and have a new ground on the way. It's a long term vision. But put their recruitment team into a club who can retain players and managers and it's a very good combination. |
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Jul 25, 2019 12:40:36 GMT
John Percy has just announced this! Absolutely tremendous news. Here is someone who has leached off the club and his name in the business for countless years. Even after countless managers were sacked and players moved he still remained. Finally going. Shame about Cartwright going to |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 25, 2019 12:42:13 GMT
John Percy has just announced this! Absolutely tremendous news. Here is someone who has leached off the club and his name in the business for countless years. Even after countless managers were sacked and players moved he still remained. Finally going. Shame about Cartwright going to Lol. |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 25, 2019 12:49:23 GMT
So not even one offer for Bojan and the club quite clearly reducing further losses by off loading - Cartwright, Berihino Adam Cameron, Bojan slowly getting where we need to be and casting deadwood aside
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Post by cousindupree on Jul 25, 2019 12:52:30 GMT
This is great news and provides the club with a huge opportunity to bring in serious expertise and knowledge particularly of the European market.
Coates has an aversion to foreign managers let's hope it doesn't spread to this position. And for christ sake don't let the manager make the appointment or appoint a buddy appointment like Carto was.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jul 25, 2019 12:55:30 GMT
Maybe this means that the famed `process` is being changed ?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 25, 2019 13:12:37 GMT
Why? So we can finish mid table. And Brentford are the biggest spenders in the league so far this window.
They are the biggest spenders in the league because of all the money they generate from their exceptional scouting system, as opposed to us, a club that pays out 12-18M for players that we end up losing for nowt through a lack of basic due diligence. I'd just be happy with a system that found us players that were fit for purpose for a starting point, without risky fitness records or dodgy attitude problems, before trying to use the system to find players that are at the cheaper end of the scale. Something about this is frying my brain. If they sell all their best players, it’s because they have such a good scouting system that unearths gems (buy low sell high)..If this is the case why do they need to go out and spend huge sums on players? And if they’re going out spending huge sums on players, why aren’t they finishing higher than mid table (if their scouting system is so good they should be getting real quality for the money they’re allegedly spending) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 13:20:01 GMT
Brentford finish mid table because they sell all their best players, which I'm convinced wouldn't happen here on the same scale.
They are the biggest spenders in the league because of all the money they generate from their exceptional scouting system, as opposed to us, a club that pays out 12-18M for players that we end up losing for nowt through a lack of basic due diligence. I'd just be happy with a system that found us players that were fit for purpose for a starting point, without risky fitness records or dodgy attitude problems, before trying to use the system to find players that are at the cheaper end of the scale. Something about this is frying my brain. If they sell all their best players, it’s because they have such a good scouting system that unearths gems (buy low sell high)..If this is the case why do they need to go out and spend huge sums on players? And if they’re going out spending huge sums on players, why aren’t they finishing higher than mid table (if their scouting system is so good they should be getting real quality for the money they’re allegedly spending) They've spent big this summer in comparison to the rest of the league, who have spent virtually nothing, and in comparison to what they normally spend. In reality, they've spent 18M on five players. Just over 3M each which is still chicken feed for this level. In respect of that, they've received 12M in through the door, so their net spend is just 6M on five players as it stands. I can't believe I'm having to type all of this out on a thread announcing the departure of a bloke who has been ridiculed for the last 7 years for his part in our mostly diabolical transfer record in that period! |
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Post by Eggybread on Jul 25, 2019 13:20:53 GMT
At bloody last.He has a lot to answer for.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 25, 2019 13:33:42 GMT
Good I might apply for the vacancy, I'm fat useless and not aginst accepting money for nowt, criteria fulfilled for prospective candidate.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 25, 2019 13:38:02 GMT
Tony Scholes has been a major influence on Coates jnr with this decision. Those of you hoping this will mean Tony will be next to leave, be prepared to be disappointed.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jul 25, 2019 13:38:20 GMT
If he gets gayle before he goes?
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 25, 2019 13:56:04 GMT
If he gets gayle before he goes? Then he deserves at least a couple of slices of pizza to thank him for his efforts. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2019 13:58:27 GMT
Jones laid down the law? It will be interesting to see if he’s replaced or the job is simply left vacant. Still think we should have someone in his “role” so to speak but interesting developments ahead. interesting that when TP thought we didn't need a mark cartwright ,no one would listen When Jones thinks we don't need a mark cartwright , they will listen
I would be interested to know , how much money those running the club spent on deciding ( eventually ) they agree with the TP and Jones
IF there ever was , ' a role ', it was probably what TP had in mind , when he wanted to bring in top class former England internationals like Gerry Francis and Peter Reid , for advice and a second opinion on transfer spending , coaching , team shape and game management .
I can genuinely understand why a TP or an NJ might want to listen to the opinion of Francis and Reid on all of the above .
But why on earth, would they be interested in Mark Cartwrights opinion , on any of it ?
The very reason ‘the process’ was introduced was because Pulis had lost his marbles in the transfer market. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 25, 2019 14:15:27 GMT
interesting that when TP thought we didn't need a mark cartwright ,no one would listen When Jones thinks we don't need a mark cartwright , they will listen
I would be interested to know , how much money those running the club spent on deciding ( eventually ) they agree with the TP and Jones
IF there ever was , ' a role ', it was probably what TP had in mind , when he wanted to bring in top class former England internationals like Gerry Francis and Peter Reid , for advice and a second opinion on transfer spending , coaching , team shape and game management .
I can genuinely understand why a TP or an NJ might want to listen to the opinion of Francis and Reid on all of the above .
But why on earth, would they be interested in Mark Cartwrights opinion , on any of it ?
The very reason ‘the process’ was introduced was because Pulis had lost his marbles in the transfer market. And it should have been removed once it allowed Mark Hughes to lose his, Rob. |
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Post by 3putts on Jul 25, 2019 14:16:06 GMT
Wonder who the next scapegoat for hire will be. My thoughts at the end of the day we have made some disastrous signings in the last couple of years, surely those who do the scouting should be blamed not somebody down the line who has to negotiate with agents. Guess ts will be the next target |
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Post by macarisredarmy on Jul 25, 2019 14:17:42 GMT
Been hoped for for ages, let's hope this signals a new era and optimism at Stoke. Some of the disasterous signings cannot be overlooked.
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