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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 9:27:49 GMT
We know Nathan is settled on this system as evidenced by Hart this week. So how many are we short to really play it and be successful?
Butland
Bauer......jury out re defensive capability? Batth Indi Clucas.....only real option for now needs a run to see?
Adam or Woods....doubts with Charlie re can he go on much longer and Woods doesn’t seem to have the long pass range? Etobo Allen Both have the energy to be the wide midfielders in the diamond?
Bojan his only role for me where it plays to his strength and he has to have a run....we will know after a few games whether he still has it?
Just don’t think Ince fits but for this season could try him in place if Bojan if he fails?
Afobe Vokes
Got to give them a run....
Phew.......
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Post by mrpickles on Feb 2, 2019 9:50:34 GMT
There's question marks everywhere tbh.
Looking at the squad, I think we're definitely a genuine holding midfielder and left back short for the system.
Then there's the question of whether Bojan or Ince will be up to the job behind the strikers, and whether Edwards or Bauer will be able to do what is required of them at right back.
Then of course, we've got issues with who plays alongside Batth and whether Afobe's form will improve with a striker who should compliment him.
That aside, I really think Jones should stick to it, even if it gets a bit more painful before it gets better (within reason of course). The diamond formation is what his success as a manager has been built on and why he's ended up here in the first place so he needs to implement it now. By the summer, he should know definitively who is up to playing it and who isn't. Then, with a bit of luck the fun will begin. Champions with 120 points and 200 goals scored 😎
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 10:17:35 GMT
I absolutely agree he needs to stick with it for a few games and I would try the team above but bring back Adam when fit.
I personally would leave Williams out now we have little to play for as he will be gone.
Surely we can get enough points to leave us in no danger and experiment for a bit to actually play the system with the same team?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 10:42:22 GMT
Adam doesn't suit a diamond. The deep 1 should be a defensive midfielder,a ball winner,a disciplined player who moves across to cover for the fullback when he's gone upfield. In 2 words,Glenn Whelan
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Post by march4 on Feb 2, 2019 10:48:54 GMT
At least we have a system.
Under Hughes, Lambert and Rowett the players seemed to play where they wanted and do what they wanted.
Organisation and strict instructions is exactly what these players need.
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 11:00:46 GMT
Adam doesn't suit a diamond. The deep 1 should be a defensive midfielder,a ball winner,a disciplined player who moves across to cover for the fullback when he's gone upfield. In 2 words,Glenn Whelan I agree but he’s the best option I think until the end of the season.....agree re Whelan type but with Adam’s range of passing and drive but hey that could be hard to find!
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 2, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
We know Nathan is settled on this system as evidenced by Hart this week. So how many are we short to really play it and be successful? Butland Bauer......jury out re defensive capability? Batth Indi Clucas.....only real option for now needs a run to see? Adam or Woods....doubts with Charlie re can he go on much longer and Woods doesn’t seem to have the long pass range? Etobo Allen Both have the energy to be the wide midfielders in the diamond? Bojan his only role for me where it plays to his strength and he has to have a run....we will know after a few games whether he still has it? Just don’t think Ince fits but for this season could try him in place if Bojan if he fails? Afobe Vokes Got to give them a run.... Phew....... Are you Mick Pejic?
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 11:05:04 GMT
We know Nathan is settled on this system as evidenced by Hart this week. So how many are we short to really play it and be successful? Butland Bauer......jury out re defensive capability? Batth Indi Clucas.....only real option for now needs a run to see? Adam or Woods....doubts with Charlie re can he go on much longer and Woods doesn’t seem to have the long pass range? Etobo Allen Both have the energy to be the wide midfielders in the diamond? Bojan his only role for me where it plays to his strength and he has to have a run....we will know after a few games whether he still has it? Just don’t think Ince fits but for this season could try him in place if Bojan if he fails? Afobe Vokes Got to give them a run.... Phew....... Are you Mick Pejic? Ha no! 😂
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 11:05:55 GMT
But could Pej have played in a diamond?
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Post by greyman on Feb 2, 2019 11:06:28 GMT
There's question marks everywhere tbh. Looking at the squad, I think we're definitely a genuine holding midfielder and left back short for the system. Then there's the question of whether Bojan or Ince will be up to the job behind the strikers, and whether Edwards or Bauer will be able to do what is required of them at right back. Then of course, we've got issues with who plays alongside Batth and whether Afobe's form will improve with a striker who should compliment him. That aside, I really think Jones should stick to it, even if it gets a bit more painful before it gets better (within reason of course). The diamond formation is what his success as a manager has been built on and why he's ended up here in the first place so he needs to implement it now. By the summer, he should know definitively who is up to playing it and who isn't. Then, with a bit of luck the fun will begin. Champions with 120 points and 200 goals scored 😎 complement
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 2, 2019 11:17:27 GMT
There's question marks everywhere tbh. Looking at the squad, I think we're definitely a genuine holding midfielder and left back short for the system. Then there's the question of whether Bojan or Ince will be up to the job behind the strikers, and whether Edwards or Bauer will be able to do what is required of them at right back. Then of course, we've got issues with who plays alongside Batth and whether Afobe's form will improve with a striker who should compliment him. That aside, I really think Jones should stick to it, even if it gets a bit more painful before it gets better (within reason of course). The diamond formation is what his success as a manager has been built on and why he's ended up here in the first place so he needs to implement it now. By the summer, he should know definitively who is up to playing it and who isn't. Then, with a bit of luck the fun will begin. Champions with 120 points and 200 goals scored 😎 complement Alright fornside calm down. Besides Afobe might respond well to some praise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 11:19:21 GMT
I think the play off’s have gone. It’s ok to say, we are only a certain amount from them, but that means all the other teams need to lose for us to catch them.
Equally, I need to go on a long winning streak too.
So with this, I’d be trying out players who will be here next season onwards. I wouldn’t bother with Adam, I’d try Woods / Sorenson in that position, even Allen even, if he plans on staying.
Up top, Bojan should be getting a run out, if he doesn’t produce then the summer he needs to go.
Even trying the young lad at left back, try him, if nothing else, it will give us an idea of new signings for the summer.
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Post by mrpickles on Feb 2, 2019 11:25:39 GMT
There's question marks everywhere tbh. Looking at the squad, I think we're definitely a genuine holding midfielder and left back short for the system. Then there's the question of whether Bojan or Ince will be up to the job behind the strikers, and whether Edwards or Bauer will be able to do what is required of them at right back. Then of course, we've got issues with who plays alongside Batth and whether Afobe's form will improve with a striker who should compliment him. That aside, I really think Jones should stick to it, even if it gets a bit more painful before it gets better (within reason of course). The diamond formation is what his success as a manager has been built on and why he's ended up here in the first place so he needs to implement it now. By the summer, he should know definitively who is up to playing it and who isn't. Then, with a bit of luck the fun will begin. Champions with 120 points and 200 goals scored 😎 complement But I've heard Sam Vokes is a proper smooth talker, so you're wrong 😋
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Post by nott1 on Feb 2, 2019 11:40:52 GMT
The Diamond system is for diamond geezers which we are sadly short of.
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 11:58:53 GMT
I think it needs an Adam type player to dictate and drive the play and I just don’t think Woods can at that level and impose himself on the game like Adam can in that role.
Adam just can’t play in a midfield 2 and is exposed in a 4 3 3 so a bit like Bojan in a 10 role it’s the only way I see him fitting?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 2, 2019 12:06:09 GMT
I don't think the jury is out re Bauer, he can't defend
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 2, 2019 12:18:26 GMT
We need a big horrible beast of a midfielder at the base of the diamond. Or Ben Pearson.
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Post by mrpickles on Feb 2, 2019 12:30:24 GMT
We need a big horrible beast of a midfielder at the base of the diamond. Or Ben Pearson. Yeah we definitely need a proper holding midfielder. Pearson would be good, Isaac Hayden at Newcastle? Or Kevin Stewart from Hull? Stewart has been brilliant this season by all accounts. Hope he's shit today though!
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Post by greyman on Feb 2, 2019 13:11:17 GMT
Alright fornside calm down. Besides Afobe might respond well to some praise. There's nothing grammatically wrong in what you say. But your sentences are inelegant.
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 14:41:08 GMT
So don’t think anyone picked this diamond!
Butland
Edwards Batth Williams Bruno
Allen
Etobo Clucas
Bojan
McClean Vokes
Hmmmm hope it works!
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Post by ParaPsych on Feb 2, 2019 15:05:28 GMT
Alright fornside calm down. Besides Afobe might respond well to some praise. There's nothing grammatically wrong in what you say. But your sentences are inelegant. Cheers fornside
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 21:52:25 GMT
So what did we learn today re the players fitting the diamond......
Williams....will go back....a liability?
Bruno ..... can’t play left back in system?
Clucas ..... not good enough
Bojan.....needs more game time to tell?
McClean......is not a forward in the 2?
Anything else?
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 2, 2019 21:54:01 GMT
The diamond system has certainly not been a gem for us so far.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 21:56:28 GMT
I think he needs to see if Bauer or Edwards can play at left back. I know they aren’t brilliant even on the right but Bruno can’t do it and I still can’t see how Clucas is a footballer. Or play 3 at the back with Bauer as left wing back. He did a good job there last season. His positioning would be slightly less of an issue and he’d bloody work his socks off up and down unlike Clucas who does bugger all and whinges at everyone else. He converted a right back to a left back at Luton so it could be something he considers maybe?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 2, 2019 21:59:51 GMT
We’re missing a holding midfielder that can tackle and impose his physicality on the game. None of our current midfielders can do it.
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Post by lordb on Feb 2, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
Stick with the diamond so it's embedded for pre season.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 2, 2019 22:03:59 GMT
The players at this club,would have trouble playing any system,because they are all such poor players. Stealing a living,every one of them.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 2, 2019 22:07:59 GMT
Stick with the diamond so it's embedded for pre season. 100%. When everyone became aware of the 'diamond' being Jones' preferred system no one thought we'd be good at it. I dare say Jones himself knew our current lot of barnacles couldn't do it but we have to stick with it. Keep the faith.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2019 22:09:07 GMT
I think he has to stick with it.
For the Baggies I'd go with ...
Butland
Edwards Batth Williams Clucas*
Adam Woods Etebo Bojan
Vokes Afobe
*Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:10:50 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. Stick Bauer at left back maybe?
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