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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:52:17 GMT
I don't really understand how Batth is part of our problems. I don't think he did anything wrong on Saturday and was organising them all. He lost, didn't he? He conceded two goals,eh? I don’t know if you were there but the first was a free kick which was Bruno putting in a stupid tackle and the second he was fully tracking his man while Williams stood and watched one of their players alone in the area? I don’t think he can be held in any way for either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 19:56:48 GMT
He lost, didn't he? He conceded two goals,eh? I don’t know if you were there but the first was a free kick which was Bruno putting in a stupid tackle and the second he was fully tracking his man while Williams stood and watched one of their players alone in the area? I don’t think he can be held in any way for either. As captain he had the duty to tell Williams where he should be. But anyway, he's already losing the bounce of coming in the dawn of the era, as I already stated. Just like Jones' bounce never really happened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 20:05:16 GMT
I don’t know if you were there but the first was a free kick which was Bruno putting in a stupid tackle and the second he was fully tracking his man while Williams stood and watched one of their players alone in the area? I don’t think he can be held in any way for either. As captain he had the duty to tell Williams where he should be. But anyway, he's already losing the bounce of coming in the dawn of the era, as I already stated. Just like Jones' bounce never really happened. He was organising that defence a lot. He looked like a real leader. Hull broke and Batth got back and Williams stood around. It was absolutely nothing to do with him. And I think anyone who was there would say they were impressed by his performance. I don’t think anyone expected a bounce but he looks like a really decent bloke, a leader and worker. No need to slate him on the basis of Williams and Bruno being absolute donkeys.
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Post by neddy on Feb 4, 2019 20:36:06 GMT
Could Foggy have played at the base of the diamond? Although if I had a fiver for shouting stay on your feet when he tackled I would be wealthy lol 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 16:08:52 GMT
The problem with the diamond is unless you've got attacking fullbacks you've got no width,that was an issue today totally agree ... the three key positions are the two attacking full backs and a play making DM
If Trippier played for Stoke Adam was 7 years younger and Mike Pejic was 47 years younger . We would be sorted
We have none of the players we need to play this way
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Feb 6, 2019 12:14:51 GMT
“Diamonds are Forever....”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 12:23:26 GMT
I don't understand all the finger pointing at the diamond. I get we don't have the players do be wonderful at it yet but quite frankly, bar the Leeds game, our players have been shit at any system that hasn't involved having 10 men behind the ball. At least we look like we're trying now. Had Bruno and Ashley Williams not been absolute donkeys on Saturday we would have been alright (even despite Clucas' attempts to sabotage or every attack).
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 6, 2019 12:24:08 GMT
Play whatever system he wants as long as he gets 14 more points
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 13:30:16 GMT
I bet no one has shown Jones videos of Diouf at rightback, he'd be right up his alley in a diamond
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Post by adi on Feb 6, 2019 18:36:24 GMT
Fuck the diamond off. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Indi Etebo Woods Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Whilst I do like 4-2-3-1 I think we are delaying the inevitable, and once we get a full Jones side I’m looking forward to the diamond.
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Post by adi on Feb 6, 2019 18:42:37 GMT
It’s the dilemma do you pick a system that fits the players or pick a system you want? I’d rather the former part way through a season. I am struggling to understand his team selection choices and positions that’s for sure. How many players has NJ used in 5 games? Picking the system has to suit the players you have, personally I think we should play 9-1-1. I was very critical of Rowetts tactics, but maybe just maybe he was doing a good job with players he thought himself were good which is why we played the way we did. NJ has had a worse start to Rowett. When does it become an issue. Do we seriously think we’ll beat West Brom and Wigan away, if we don’t? Then what? Ride it out. When does it become an issue when we’ve dropped to 20th? I’m seriously thinking at the moment that if we didn’t have 35 points under Rowett we would be contenders to go down. I want to give this guy a chance like most, I’m just not seeing what everyone else sees maybe? Rowett was getting the best out of the squad and he adopted early by playing a flat back four to counter weaknesses at centre back. Jones' diamond requires the fullbacks to get forward so we're back to square one. The club gave up on promotion this year when they sacked Rowett. Jones has a brief to tear up the squad and start again - which he's doing mid season. He's also decided to establish his preferred formation. Things are bound to get worse before that get better. Anyone surprised by how bad it is simply didn't get what was going on when we appointed Jones. Any pretension at being a Premiership side has gone out the window. We are rebuilding to be an effective Championship side that can hopefully earn promotion in 2 or 3 seasons time. Until then the only thing to hope for this season is we avoid relegation and that shit results like those against Brentford, Preston and Hull are going to be the norm rather than the exception because like it or not as things stand they are better adapted to the Championship than we are at the moment. You'll find humble pie is the dessert having dined on prawn sandwiches. Getting the best out of the squad?! That squad must be fucking wank then, in which case sell almost all of them...
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Post by adi on Feb 6, 2019 18:50:48 GMT
I don't really understand how Batth is part of our problems. I don't think he did anything wrong on Saturday and was organising them all. He lost, didn't he? He conceded two goals,eh? Were both direct results of his mistakes?
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Post by Veritas on Feb 6, 2019 19:13:08 GMT
He lost, didn't he? He conceded two goals,eh? Were both direct results of his mistakes? No
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Post by adi on Feb 7, 2019 6:38:11 GMT
Were both direct results of his mistakes? No Must be down to Batth then.... 😐
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Post by vahl on Feb 7, 2019 12:20:30 GMT
"Once we get X player we can play 451 or 4411" - stoke under Pulis
"Once we get X player we can play 4231 or 352" - stoke under Hughes
"Once we get X player we can play who the fuck knows" - stoke under Rowett
"Once we get X player we can play a diamond" - stoke under Jones
It's not just me is it?
Can we just do something we are good at with the players we have at our disposal?
It might actually work.
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Post by adi on Feb 7, 2019 12:36:31 GMT
"Once we get X player we can play 451 or 4411" - stoke under Pulis "Once we get X player we can play 4231 or 352" - stoke under Hughes "Once we get X player we can play who the fuck knows" - stoke under Rowett "Once we get X player we can play a diamond" - stoke under Jones It's not just me is it? Can we just do something we are good at with the players we have at our disposal? It might actually work. Pulis, as much as he has been maligned, had the team playing for each other, in whatever formation he chose. They were just too rigid and devoid of any creative thought that it became stale and a bit boring to watch, hence the desire to change our style, hence hughes. That 3-5-2 under hughes was fucking awful! We were expecting Pieters and Glen friggin Johnson to bomb up and down all day, which never did nor was going to happen... Bauer was clearly brought in to do that job, and i think he was doing okay in a crap team but has been sort of found out defensively since. Rowett changed everything every week so no one knew what was going on. I think that Jones will get the players playing for each other again, its just there is a cancerous lack of morale in the club at the moment, with players who are clearly still bad apples. I think/hope/believe that once Jones gets them gone and brings down to earth grafters back into the side that we will see a resurgence. We have to give him time now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2019 12:44:17 GMT
"Once we get X player we can play 451 or 4411" - stoke under Pulis "Once we get X player we can play 4231 or 352" - stoke under Hughes "Once we get X player we can play who the fuck knows" - stoke under Rowett "Once we get X player we can play a diamond" - stoke under Jones It's not just me is it? Can we just do something we are good at with the players we have at our disposal? It might actually work. Pulis, as much as he has been maligned, had the team playing for each other, in whatever formation he chose. They were just too rigid and devoid of any creative thought that it became stale and a bit boring to watch, hence the desire to change our style, hence hughes. That 3-5-2 under hughes was fucking awful! We were expecting Pieters and Glen friggin Johnson to bomb up and down all day, which never did nor was going to happen... Bauer was clearly brought in to do that job, and i think he was doing okay in a crap team but has been sort of found out defensively since. Rowett changed everything every week so no one knew what was going on. I think that Jones will get the players playing for each other again, its just there is a cancerous lack of morale in the club at the moment, with players who are clearly still bad apples. I think/hope/believe that once Jones gets them gone and brings down to earth grafters back into the side that we will see a resurgence. We have to give him time now. Pulis wasn’t got rid of because of any desire for a change in style, his methods weren’t working anymore and we were going backwards. I understand the desire to repress 2012-13 but...
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Post by neilb987 on Feb 7, 2019 14:31:36 GMT
ADI said "I think that Jones will get the players playing for each other again, its just there is a cancerous lack of morale in the club at the moment, with players who are clearly still bad apples. I think/hope/believe that once Jones gets them gone and brings down to earth grafters back into the side that we will see a resurgence."
Good teams are a mixture of flair players and grafters, their different complementary characteristics adding up to a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. Just as important is that they are ALL working for the team rather than massageing over-inflated egos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 15:00:56 GMT
"Once we get X player we can play 451 or 4411" - stoke under Pulis "Once we get X player we can play 4231 or 352" - stoke under Hughes "Once we get X player we can play who the fuck knows" - stoke under Rowett "Once we get X player we can play a diamond" - stoke under Jones It's not just me is it? Can we just do something we are good at with the players we have at our disposal? It might actually work. They should have signed Xavi
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 7, 2019 16:03:26 GMT
"Once we get X player we can play 451 or 4411" - stoke under Pulis "Once we get X player we can play 4231 or 352" - stoke under Hughes "Once we get X player we can play who the fuck knows" - stoke under Rowett "Once we get X player we can play a diamond" - stoke under Jones It's not just me is it? Can we just do something we are good at with the players we have at our disposal? It might actually work. And the mix of players currently suits 3-5-2, in my opinion.
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Post by adi on Feb 7, 2019 18:03:18 GMT
Pulis, as much as he has been maligned, had the team playing for each other, in whatever formation he chose. They were just too rigid and devoid of any creative thought that it became stale and a bit boring to watch, hence the desire to change our style, hence hughes. That 3-5-2 under hughes was fucking awful! We were expecting Pieters and Glen friggin Johnson to bomb up and down all day, which never did nor was going to happen... Bauer was clearly brought in to do that job, and i think he was doing okay in a crap team but has been sort of found out defensively since. Rowett changed everything every week so no one knew what was going on. I think that Jones will get the players playing for each other again, its just there is a cancerous lack of morale in the club at the moment, with players who are clearly still bad apples. I think/hope/believe that once Jones gets them gone and brings down to earth grafters back into the side that we will see a resurgence. We have to give him time now. Pulis wasn’t got rid of because of any desire for a change in style, his methods weren’t working anymore and we were going backwards. I understand the desire to repress 2012-13 but... I’m not repressing anything. His method and tactics had been found out, referees were actively targeting physical play and we had to adapt or die.... which we did.
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Post by adi on Feb 7, 2019 18:05:16 GMT
ADI said "I think that Jones will get the players playing for each other again, its just there is a cancerous lack of morale in the club at the moment, with players who are clearly still bad apples. I think/hope/believe that once Jones gets them gone and brings down to earth grafters back into the side that we will see a resurgence." Good teams are a mixture of flair players and grafters, their different complementary characteristics adding up to a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. Just as important is that they are ALL working for the team rather than massageing over-inflated egos. Exactly. We can have flair players who are team players too. I think muniesa was that kind of player and I think bonanza is. Their injuries and incompatibility with a physical league hasn’t helped. But I agree we can and should have a mix, it’s just finding the right mentalities
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2019 18:38:19 GMT
Pulis wasn’t got rid of because of any desire for a change in style, his methods weren’t working anymore and we were going backwards. I understand the desire to repress 2012-13 but... I’m not repressing anything. His method and tactics had been found out, referees were actively targeting physical play and we had to adapt or die.... which we did. By getting rid, yes. The point being that it wasn't just boredom with the style, the style wasn't working and wasn't getting results.
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Post by neddy on Feb 7, 2019 18:44:40 GMT
Ok it’s nearly Friday so who is going to pick their diamond?
I’m going for.......
Clucas at left back and....
Woods Allen Etobo Bojan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 18:53:24 GMT
Ok it’s nearly Friday so who is going to pick their diamond? I’m going for....... Clucas at left back and.... Woods Allen Etobo Bojan Seeing as Woods always favours his right I'd swap him and Allen around
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2019 18:56:34 GMT
Ok it’s nearly Friday so who is going to pick their diamond? I’m going for....... Clucas at left back and.... Woods Allen Etobo Bojan Seeing as Woods always favours his right I'd swap him and Allen around tbf, we need a full schematic:
Woods
Allen Etebo
Bodger
That right? Or, Joe at the base and Woods in for Clueless.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 7, 2019 19:02:46 GMT
Ok it’s nearly Friday so who is going to pick their diamond? I’m going for....... Clucas at left back and.... Woods Allen Etobo Bojan I'd go with that, I think. Bojan deserves another go. Wouldn't be against giving Bauer a go at left-back, but wouldn't play Clucas in midfield regardless. And once he's out of the picture there, midfield more or less picks itself. He could give Allen another go at the base and move Woods further forward, but I'd go with Woods deeper. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas Woods Allen Etebo BojanVokes Afobe Wouldn't be totally against playing Bojan alongside Vokes and playing Ince in behind though....
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Post by neddy on Feb 7, 2019 19:05:44 GMT
Ok it’s nearly Friday so who is going to pick their diamond? I’m going for....... Clucas at left back and.... Woods Allen Etobo Bojan I'd go with that, I think. Bojan deserves another go. Wouldn't be against giving Bauer a go at left-back, but wouldn't play Clucas in midfield regardless. And once he's out of the picture there, midfield more or less picks itself. He could give Allen another go at the base and move Woods further forward, but I'd go with Woods deeper. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas Woods Allen Etebo BojanVokes Afobe Wouldn't be totally against playing Bojan alongside Vokes and playing Ince in behind though.... That’s my only other thought FM Bojan up front with Vokes gives the option of as you say Ince or the 4 midfielders with Bruno or Bauer at left back?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:15:40 GMT
Would anyone bring back Diouf? Unless Afobe has got his finger out of his arse I’d like to see Diouf given a go. I appreciate he couldn’t hit a barn door last season but none of them can this season and against a physical West Brom side I think he’d cause them problems. And someone to cause problems will take time out of what could end up as a 90min assault.
We’d certainly see a million times more effort than we get with Afobe...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:17:26 GMT
Butland Bauer Batth Williams Clucas Allen Woods Etebo Bojan Diouf Vokes
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