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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 2, 2019 22:14:06 GMT
Adam doesn't suit a diamond. The deep 1 should be a defensive midfielder,a ball winner,a disciplined player who moves across to cover for the fullback when he's gone upfield. In 2 words,Glenn Whelan Badou N'diaye. If we allow him out on loan next season we want shooting.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2019 22:15:02 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. Stick Bauer at left back maybe? Yep, that'd certainly be the next option if Clucas continues to be poor.
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Post by neddy on Feb 2, 2019 22:18:50 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. I think Adam won’t be fit?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 2, 2019 22:19:15 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. Stick Bauer at left back maybe? He can't defend when he's in his preferred position, I can't see that getting better when he has to use his wrong foot.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Feb 2, 2019 22:19:18 GMT
Fuck the diamond off.
Butland
Edwards Batth Williams Indi
Etebo Woods
Ince Bojan McClean
Vokes
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 2, 2019 22:20:21 GMT
Adam doesn't suit a diamond. The deep 1 should be a defensive midfielder,a ball winner,a disciplined player who moves across to cover for the fullback when he's gone upfield. In 2 words,Glenn Whelan Badou N'diaye. If we allow him out on loan next season we want shooting. He doesn't want to be here, just remember back to the Leeds game, it was clear he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch with a Stoke shirt on.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 2, 2019 22:23:32 GMT
Fuck the diamond off. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Indi Etebo Woods Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Isn't that the same back four as today? BMI needs to be nowhere near that team after his recent performances.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 2, 2019 22:31:45 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. Agree he needs to stick with the diamond, but we need to break this cycle of playing incompetent CBs, it's becoming a standing joke. I'd be starting Collins next to Batth. LB is a total shit show and becoming a similar ongoing issue. Butland Edwards Batth Collins Bauer Woods (Adam when fit) Verlinden Etobe Bojan Ince Vokes Start introducing new blood into a new philosophy
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Post by andystokey on Feb 2, 2019 22:38:48 GMT
I think he has to stick with it. For the Baggies I'd go with ... Butland Edwards Batth Williams Clucas* Adam Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes Afobe *Clucas on current form really doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the team but when he was switched to left back today, I think he did look more comfortable. He'd be in the last chance saloon mind and he'd be only getting that last chance due to the severe lack of options at left back as it is. Agree he needs to stick with the diamond, but we need to break this cycle of playing incompetent CBs, it's becoming a standing joke. I'd be starting Collins next to Batth. LB is a total shit show and becoming a similar ongoing issue. Butland Edwards Batth Collins Bauer Woods (Adam when fit) Verlinden Etobe Bojan Ince Vokes Start introducing new blood into a new philosophy You don't need to watch 50 games and do a load if analysis to realise we are weak as piss on the left. Virtually every goal in the last five matches has hit that space.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:49:20 GMT
It worked pretty well today, and we looked far worse when we changed at 70 mins.
Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Woods Etebo Bojan Vokes (one of Berahino/Afobe)
Adam would worry me on the counter as a DM in that, but possibly as one of the left or right midfielders? Still don't see him as a first choice mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 22:54:43 GMT
The problem with the diamond is unless you've got attacking fullbacks you've got no width,that was an issue today
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 2, 2019 23:25:26 GMT
The problem with the diamond is unless you've got attacking fullbacks you've got no width,that was an issue today It's a case of every man has to be on their game, 100%. Essentially each player is playing 2 or more roles - The CDM has to cover CB, FB provides width, CB covers the wide defensive areas etc. If one player is off their game the balance of the formation is lost. That's why it's brilliant when it works and woeful when your squad contains BMI, Williams, Allen, Ince, McLean etc. However, we 100% have to stick with it. We don't need many points to stay up and there's enough dross in this league for us to stay afloat. Get it drilled into these cunts and hopefully it starts bearing a little fruit for us to end the season with some wins and some positivity going into what is another huge, huge summer for this club. The last 2 have been a shambles...this one simply can't be. My only remaining hopes for this season are; a) We stay up b) Some players show capability of adapting to the system ahead of next season - Edwards, Bauer, Batth, Tymon, Woods, Etebo, Vokes and Afobe. c) Leeds fuck it up again d) Stoke fans give Nathan Jones the chance to build something good here. Keep the faith.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 2, 2019 23:44:45 GMT
Badou N'diaye. If we allow him out on loan next season we want shooting. He doesn't want to be here, just remember back to the Leeds game, it was clear he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch with a Stoke shirt on. The window was still open mate, he was Probably playing the game, not the one on the pitch either. Watch his tune change when the window shuts and it's either stoke first team or stoke reserves... these players think they own all the cards until reality hits home
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Feb 3, 2019 1:22:51 GMT
Why stick with a system that we clearly don’t have the players for? Madness. Just like letting Erik Pieters go.
Butland
Edwards Batth Williams Martins Indi Clucas/McClean
Adam Etebo Allen
Vokes Afobe/Bojan
OR
Butland
Edwards Batth Martins Indi Clucas/McClean
Allen Etebo
Diouf Bojan Ince
Vokes
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 3, 2019 1:41:55 GMT
Why stick with a system that we clearly don’t have the players for? Madness. Just like letting Erik Pieters go. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Martins Indi Clucas/McClean Adam Etebo Allen Vokes Afobe/Bojan OR Butland Edwards Batth Martins Indi Clucas/McClean Allen Etebo Diouf Bojan Ince Vokes I like the first one, and could live with the second.
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Post by neilb987 on Feb 3, 2019 8:42:21 GMT
I think we should stick to the diamond and build a team to use this system properly. Until then, given the players we’ve got rather than the ones we want, I’d go for:
Butland (though he was poor yesterday)
Edwards Batth Williams Bauer*
Allen Woods. Etebo
Bojan
Vokes. Afobe
- with Federici, Shawcross,Ince, McClean and a youngster on the bench. I think Woods could be better on the right-side of the diamond. He’s more of a playmaker than a CDM and, with better movement up front, be able to pick good forward passes. Charlie remains an option when fit.
* Experimental.
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Post by neddy on Feb 3, 2019 8:50:03 GMT
I think we should stick to the diamond and build a team to use this system properly. Until then, given the players we’ve got rather than the ones we want, I’d go for: Butland (though he was poor yesterday) Edwards Batth Williams Bauer* Allen Woods. Etebo Bojan Vokes. Afobe - with Federici, Shawcross,Ince, McClean and a youngster on the bench. I think Woods could be better on the right-side of the diamond. He’s more of a playmaker than a CDM and, with better movement up front, be able to pick good forward passes. Charlie remains an option when fit. * Experimental. I think Woods needs to replace Clucas and move him to left back. I would play Afobe alongside Vokes?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 3, 2019 9:22:08 GMT
Fuck the diamond off. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Indi Etebo Woods Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Just put on another thread but agree with the diamond comment. It’s too much for the current crop to handle. Get the players we want for it in the summer. Don’t play it now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 9:42:42 GMT
Fuck the diamond off. Butland Edwards Batth Williams Indi Etebo Woods Ince Bojan McClean Vokes Just put on another thread but agree with the diamond comment. It’s too much for the current crop to handle. Get the players we want for it in the summer. Don’t play it now. Seems we're in the minority. I said right at the start of Jones's reign he should find a system that fits the players he has right now rather than try and shoe horn them into his preferred system. Half of these players won't even be here next season. All we're doing is continuing to lose confidence as the losing run continues....and as we've seen over the last 3 years it's very difficult to change a losing mentality even when new players come in. Those saying pain in the short term for gain in the long, I just don't see why we need to.Jones will have all summer to get the diamond working with his new squad
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Post by Davef on Feb 3, 2019 9:45:53 GMT
He doesn't want to be here, just remember back to the Leeds game, it was clear he wanted to be anywhere but on the pitch with a Stoke shirt on. The window was still open mate, he was Probably playing the game, not the one on the pitch either. Watch his tune change when the window shuts and it's either stoke first team or stoke reserves... these players think they own all the cards until reality hits home What point are you trying to make here? That we keep him and play him, let him rot in our non-existent reserve team or try to flog him permanently?
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Post by jontimmis on Feb 3, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
It’s the dilemma do you pick a system that fits the players or pick a system you want?
I’d rather the former part way through a season.
I am struggling to understand his team selection choices and positions that’s for sure.
How many players has NJ used in 5 games?
Picking the system has to suit the players you have, personally I think we should play 9-1-1.
I was very critical of Rowetts tactics, but maybe just maybe he was doing a good job with players he thought himself were good which is why we played the way we did.
NJ has had a worse start to Rowett. When does it become an issue.
Do we seriously think we’ll beat West Brom and Wigan away, if we don’t? Then what? Ride it out. When does it become an issue when we’ve dropped to 20th?
I’m seriously thinking at the moment that if we didn’t have 35 points under Rowett we would be contenders to go down.
I want to give this guy a chance like most, I’m just not seeing what everyone else sees maybe?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 3, 2019 10:13:57 GMT
The window was still open mate, he was Probably playing the game, not the one on the pitch either. Watch his tune change when the window shuts and it's either stoke first team or stoke reserves... these players think they own all the cards until reality hits home What point are you trying to make here? That we keep him and play him, let him rot in our non-existent reserve team or try to flog him permanently? Maybe he played very poorly v Leeds by design as to get his move as the window was still open. Had it been shut would we have seen a different performance? For me, with him being a contracted stoke city player and exactly what we need at the base of the diamond I'd refuse a loan move for him next season and make him aware it's stoke's first team or stoke's U23's until his performances earn a cash transfer. I'd take the gamble and the hit, chances are he'll do a mahrez and backtrack when he realises where he is at. We can't just loan players out that we have paid good money for because it's not their preferred option. It sets an example and a trend that others may follow in future. As far as I can see he's contracted to SCFC and is exactly what we are lacking apt the base of the diamond. Let his performances in a stoke shirt earn his move if he wants one
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 3, 2019 10:35:36 GMT
Just put on another thread but agree with the diamond comment. It’s too much for the current crop to handle. Get the players we want for it in the summer. Don’t play it now. Seems we're in the minority. I said right at the start of Jones's reign he should find a system that fits the players he has right now rather than try and shoe horn them into his preferred system. Half of these players won't even be here next season. All we're doing is continuing to lose confidence as the losing run continues....and as we've seen over the last 3 years it's very difficult to change a losing mentality even when new players come in. Those saying pain in the short term for gain in the long, I just don't see why we need to.Jones will have all summer to get the diamond working with his new squad Fully agreed.
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 3, 2019 16:00:04 GMT
If we haven't got the personnel to play a diamond midfield, then we shouldn't be shoe-horning people into roles they're not suited for.
We haven't got the squad to play one up front, or even 4-4-2, but we could play 4-3-3 and actually try playing on the front foot for a change.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 3, 2019 19:09:16 GMT
As much as I would like to see NJ bed in his diamond I would revert to 3 at the back for now at least until we have 50 points. playing a 352 we could be flexible between 3142 and 3412 for different games and being able to swap between formations during games. Butland Williams Batth Indi
Adam/Woods
Edwards/Bauer Allen Etebo Clucas/Bauer
Afobe Vokes
3412 would simply swap the player Adam/Woods behind the midfield for Ince/Bojan in front
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 19:16:34 GMT
Butland
Edwards Batth Shawcross Bauer
Allen
Etebo Sorenson
Bojan
Vokes Diouf
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Post by pmjh on Feb 3, 2019 19:24:06 GMT
For home games at least lets get a couple of youngsters on the bench. I'm not suggesting they have to play from the start but we could give some game time if appropriate to Sorenson, Collins, Verlinden etc and they'd gain some experience just from sitting on the bench.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2019 20:23:10 GMT
Sounds like the diamond is going nowhere. No surprise really. He and Hart have obviously got massive faith in it long-term. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-fans-hull-city-2502037“I want us to get results, but I also want us to build something moving forward so that we have a structure in place that’s going to make us a very good side. “Now, to do that, personnel is one thing, but they also have to grasp a new thing. “They’ve been used to playing a 4-2-3-1, or 4-4-2, but we want to implement something here and we believe in what we want to do. “It’s just certain things out of possession that we have to get better at.”
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 3, 2019 20:32:09 GMT
Sounds like the diamond is going nowhere. No surprise really. He and Hart have obviously got massive faith in it long-term. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-fans-hull-city-2502037“I want us to get results, but I also want us to build something moving forward so that we have a structure in place that’s going to make us a very good side. “Now, to do that, personnel is one thing, but they also have to grasp a new thing. “They’ve been used to playing a 4-2-3-1, or 4-4-2, but we want to implement something here and we believe in what we want to do. “It’s just certain things out of possession that we have to get better at.” So what you saying 007 ....Diamonds are Forever 😎
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
Sounds like the diamond is going nowhere. No surprise really. He and Hart have obviously got massive faith in it long-term. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-fans-hull-city-2502037“I want us to get results, but I also want us to build something moving forward so that we have a structure in place that’s going to make us a very good side. “Now, to do that, personnel is one thing, but they also have to grasp a new thing. “They’ve been used to playing a 4-2-3-1, or 4-4-2, but we want to implement something here and we believe in what we want to do. “It’s just certain things out of possession that we have to get better at.” It’s hard because the 3-5-2 worked against Leeds. It wouldn’t work against a team that sits back but I don’t think West Brom will sit back. I also feel having Shawcross fixed in the penalty area where he can man mark one of the front two is needed. I’m sure I’ll be slated for that comment but I think Williams has made far more mistakes than Shawcross. And, if he’s allowed to sit deep and the focus on defending and allow the full backs to take charge of playing from the back, he will do a good job for us. At the same time, maybe Jones should play the diamond and it’s sink or swim. Rowett accommodated their incompetencies and look where it got us - a 10 man defence. Maybe if he doesn’t make allowances they will up their game. Surely they are feeling a bit embarrassed by themselves now.
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