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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2020 22:13:55 GMT
I’ve only just started watching the first series.
It’s very good isn’t it.
And you look at the players they had on paper and you wonder how they fucked it up.
Jonny Williams is a tremendous little footballer for instance.
Then you see Marc Wilson to the rescue and he can’t work a door.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 6, 2020 22:18:10 GMT
I’ve only just started watching the first series. It’s very good isn’t it. And you look at the players they had on paper and you wonder how they fucked it up. Jonny Williams is a tremendous little footballer for instance. Then you see Marc Wilson to the rescue and he can’t work a door. It’s brilliant. Fascinating stuff. Season two is good too. I find it a real eye opener. Football is so fucked up. Oh and have you ever seen a more fragile footballer than Williams? How can someone so good at football be so lacking in confidence??! I found him fascinating. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 6, 2020 22:51:02 GMT
I’ve only just started watching the first series. It’s very good isn’t it. And you look at the players they had on paper and you wonder how they fucked it up. Jonny Williams is a tremendous little footballer for instance. Then you see Marc Wilson to the rescue and he can’t work a door. It’s brilliant. Fascinating stuff. Season two is good too. I find it a real eye opener. Football is so fucked up. Oh and have you ever seen a more fragile footballer than Williams? How can someone so good at football be so lacking in confidence??! I found him fascinating. Yeah he’s clearly not confident with his body at all. Just looked on wiki as to where he is now and it looks like he’s played most games for Charlton. I can’t say I knew he was there but I’m awful with this league. Just got to them appointing Coleman and they seem so optimistic bless ‘em. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 23:34:27 GMT
Surely The Cup Winners Cup? Wasn't a thing then. Started in the 60s Sunderland won the cup in 73 wasn't it? Edit- Just Googled...lost 3-2 on aggregate to Sporting Lisbon in the 2nd round. I actually wanted us to sign Darron Gibson at one point but after seeing that you realise what an absolute piece of work he is |
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Post by rosco on Apr 7, 2020 0:50:04 GMT
Would be interesting to see if this was Stoke and how much we would change our opinions on a few people
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 8:33:42 GMT
Would be interesting to see if this was Stoke and how much we would change our opinions on a few people Maybe, although so far it's not been as bad as I thought it would be. Gibson is clearly on the verge of having a proper drink problem and fair play to the fan for calling him out on that. But so far (only 4 in) their attitudes don't seem to be that bad. They just all seem thick. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 7, 2020 9:00:41 GMT
It’s brilliant. Fascinating stuff. Season two is good too. I find it a real eye opener. Football is so fucked up. Oh and have you ever seen a more fragile footballer than Williams? How can someone so good at football be so lacking in confidence??! I found him fascinating. Yeah he’s clearly not confident with his body at all. Just looked on wiki as to where he is now and it looks like he’s played most games for Charlton. I can’t say I knew he was there but I’m awful with this league. Just got to them appointing Coleman and they seem so optimistic bless ‘em. Wait until you get to Season 2. They’re a fascinating club to be honest. There are definitely parallels with us but they’re on a fuck up level all of their own. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 9:34:16 GMT
Yeah he’s clearly not confident with his body at all. Just looked on wiki as to where he is now and it looks like he’s played most games for Charlton. I can’t say I knew he was there but I’m awful with this league. Just got to them appointing Coleman and they seem so optimistic bless ‘em. Wait until you get to Season 2. They’re a fascinating club to be honest. There are definitely parallels with us but they’re on a fuck up level all of their own. Yeah they really are. But I think we're closer than people like to imagine. But hopefully we've got lucky with O'Neil. It is interesting how much their owner isn't there and I think that is a big difference. If this was on Stoke, Coates would be on camera. Which is something I don't ordinarily like but it does show he cares. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:39:11 GMT
Binged the second series last night / yesterday afternoon. Just staggered watching it. I can't believe the owner went from 1.5M to 3+1M for Will Grigg when his side kick (the bald bloke, forget his name) was telling him not to do it and his manager told him he wasn't worth it!
The other bloke, Methven, is a right piece of work isn't he? Proper old skool corporate bully boy, or how he may have been portrayed by the editing to be fair to him, with no ideas other than to play an Ibiza house track for the walk out music and heap piles of pressure onto his staff, with very few ideas himself.
I found the bit about ticketing to be well out of order at the end. Sunderland fans had turned up in their thousands and he's asking his staff how they can get more fans in through the door at the back end of the season, talking about almost guilt tripping them into going, with one of the poorest areas of the country having to fork out for two Wembley trips.
Shocking.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 7, 2020 10:13:04 GMT
Wait until you get to Season 2. They’re a fascinating club to be honest. There are definitely parallels with us but they’re on a fuck up level all of their own. Yeah they really are. But I think we're closer than people like to imagine. But hopefully we've got lucky with O'Neil. It is interesting how much their owner isn't there and I think that is a big difference. If this was on Stoke, Coates would be on camera. Which is something I don't ordinarily like but it does show he cares. The big difference is definitely the owners. We’re very lucky imo. |
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Post by rosco on Apr 7, 2020 11:20:24 GMT
Thought Methven came across a bit of a prick but probably just what they needed. Looks like it'd been a bit of a holiday club with no targets and no accountability. The woman he had a pop at was asking for that IMO with her blase attitude.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 7, 2020 11:26:45 GMT
It’s brilliant. Fascinating stuff. Season two is good too. I find it a real eye opener. Football is so fucked up. Oh and have you ever seen a more fragile footballer than Williams? How can someone so good at football be so lacking in confidence??! I found him fascinating. Yeah he’s clearly not confident with his body at all. Just looked on wiki as to where he is now and it looks like he’s played most games for Charlton. I can’t say I knew he was there but I’m awful with this league. Just got to them appointing Coleman and they seem so optimistic bless ‘em. William's has shaved all his hair off now so he looks completely different on the pitch. Took me a good few minutes to realise it was him on the pitch when we played them away at the Valley back at the start of the season.. Too be fair we made him look far better than he was that day. A good player but never quite making the grade to push on & better himself. Abit in the Stephen Ireland mold to a lesser extent, Ireland had loads of promise & was the next best thing at Man City but soon fell away. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 7, 2020 11:43:57 GMT
Would be interesting to see if this was Stoke and how much we would change our opinions on a few people I think we'd probably be more exasperated with Scholes than we are now whilst warming to him as a person |
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Post by pistol on Apr 7, 2020 12:10:30 GMT
Binged the second series last night / yesterday afternoon. Just staggered watching it. I can't believe the owner went from 1.5M to 3+1M for Will Grigg when his side kick (the bald bloke, forget his name) was telling him not to do it and his manager told him he wasn't worth it! The other bloke, Methven, is a right piece of work isn't he? Proper old skool corporate bully boy, or how he may have been portrayed by the editing to be fair to him, with no ideas other than to play an Ibiza house track for the walk out music and heap piles of pressure onto his staff, with very few ideas himself. I found the bit about ticketing to be well out of order at the end. Sunderland fans had turned up in their thousands and he's asking his staff how they can get more fans in through the door at the back end of the season, talking about almost guilt tripping them into going, with one of the poorest areas of the country having to fork out for two Wembley trips. Shocking. Ive watched three episodes of the new series and the new owner and Charlie the prick are both real David Brent characters aren’t they. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 14:34:32 GMT
So they've just furloughed their entire squad.
Which will go down well I would imagine.
And I know most people won't feel for them but they will have bills that they can afford on what they're paid which I would imagine is upward of 5k a week for most of them, probably more.
To go from that to 80% of £2500 a month is a massive difference and could be a disaster financially for some of them.
And yes I know lots more people will be far worse off but I feel sorry for them too.
And it's very shitty from the club and I would imagine only harbour negatvity.
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Post by surreystokie on Apr 7, 2020 17:30:40 GMT
Have not bothered to watch it. The club was rotten and rotting when they took on Niall Quinn as chairman. I thought that they were mad at the time, even though I realised that the idea was to win over the supporters who worshiped him and as they needed someone on board who actually understood the game!
Am and always was a great fan of Denis Smith but would have had a fit had we done the same with him.
Quinn did not even realise what (then manager) Roy Keane was up to and how few days a week he was at the club, apparently, never mind on the training ground!
When AFC Sunderland became a topic
on here and I laid into them, I was criticised by a few on here who asked why I “ had it in for them”. Well now you know.
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Post by seabridgestokie on Apr 7, 2020 17:31:32 GMT
Not quite like that, they are topping up their wages in full so if they are on £8k per month then they are using the government to pay £2500 and they will top up by a further £5500 per month.
Not sure this is how the scheme was meant to be introduced to help loaded footballers
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Post by rosco on Apr 7, 2020 19:18:15 GMT
Truth is we see 90 mins a week and have very little idea of what actually goes on at a club. If we win everything's rosy, if we lose its doom and gloom.
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Post by flea79 on Apr 7, 2020 19:54:46 GMT
i did love the conversation about the 200k cryo therapy chamber that was occasionally used by a coach for his bad back!
or the meeting where the boss man decided to use quicksilver by bellissima as the new walkout music and was loving his idea until that lad said no point doing that unless you put a new PA system in!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 20:13:27 GMT
Just watched two more.
What a dick Rodwell is but I would have done the same but played tbh. That’s just out of order.
Jonny Williams seems a class act though but as foxy says, so wary of his body. But seems a lovely bloke.
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Post by mrred on Apr 7, 2020 20:49:33 GMT
Only watched the first episode of the second season. Made me anzious as fuck. That anticipation of the first game of the season. Amplified it seeing it from behind the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 22:04:55 GMT
i did love the conversation about the 200k cryo therapy chamber that was occasionally used by a coach for his bad back! or the meeting where the boss man decided to use quicksilver by bellissima as the new walkout music and was loving his idea until that lad said no point doing that unless you put a new PA system in! It's even worse than that. The bloke with a bad back in the Cryotherapy chamber was not a coach, it was the previous CEO. Martin Bain! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2020 22:24:42 GMT
i did love the conversation about the 200k cryo therapy chamber that was occasionally used by a coach for his bad back! or the meeting where the boss man decided to use quicksilver by bellissima as the new walkout music and was loving his idea until that lad said no point doing that unless you put a new PA system in! It's even worse than that. The bloke with a bad back in the Cryotherapy chamber was not a coach, it was the previous CEO. Martin Bain! In the first one though he’s basically using the training ground as his own gym 😂 |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 8, 2020 6:46:58 GMT
Bain and Methven were like polar opposites. Bain came across as quite personable, the staff liked him but he appeared to be doing little to address the situation they were in. Methven came across as a twat who the staff didn't like but was at least trying to get the club out of the rut they were in. In Bain's defence it can't have been easy working for Ellis Short.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 8, 2020 9:43:17 GMT
Just watched two more. What a dick Rodwell is but I would have done the same but played tbh. That’s just out of order. Jonny Williams seems a class act though but as foxy says, so wary of his body. But seems a lovely bloke. Roswell is horrible. Grabban doesn’t give a shit. Williams is likeable but just seems so mentally fragile. When you get to season 2 I think Luke O’Nien is actually the most genuinely likeable footballer I ever saw. Genuinely seems really decent. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2020 11:40:13 GMT
Just watched two more. What a dick Rodwell is but I would have done the same but played tbh. That’s just out of order. Jonny Williams seems a class act though but as foxy says, so wary of his body. But seems a lovely bloke. Roswell is horrible. Grabban doesn’t give a shit. Williams is likeable but just seems so mentally fragile. When you get to season 2 I think Luke O’Nien is actually the most genuinely likeable footballer I ever saw. Genuinely seems really decent. Grabban didn’t but he was only there on loan and tbh he did better for himself. I can’t blame him for that. He did his job whilst he was there then got out because he could see what was coming. I think that’s fair. Didn’t realise how good his goalscoring record has been these last few years tbh. Can’t wait for series 2. We’ve just got past the January transfer window so should be close. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2020 20:26:19 GMT
Just finished watching the first series.
Martin Bain actually came across imo. Just think his hands were tied in a lot of cases.
The two Southern chancers seem like absolute arseholes.
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 9, 2020 19:37:02 GMT
This Will Grigg thing is weird. The manager said it was too much money but the Chairman signed him anyway! Why wasn’t there a Plan B on the deadline day?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2020 20:20:22 GMT
This Will Grigg thing is weird. The manager said it was too much money but the Chairman signed him anyway! Why wasn’t there a Plan B on the deadline day? Yeah it’s just mad isn’t it but I reckon it goes on a lot. And then the manager gets the blame. He’s just so naive the owner, he seems a lovely bloke but just a dreamer who’s not in the real world when it comes to what he’s owning. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 9, 2020 21:35:47 GMT
This Will Grigg thing is weird. The manager said it was too much money but the Chairman signed him anyway! Why wasn’t there a Plan B on the deadline day? And not just the manager. Donald's football advisor and buddy Richard Hill who was sat with him at the time categorically told him not to bid higher but he still jumped from 1.25m to 3m. Unbelievable! That said I did quite like Donald, just couldn't be doing with Methven |
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