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Post by scfc64 on Aug 18, 2017 20:40:12 GMT
link We should have a Divine day and go dressed for the occasion. The team could even come out to this playing.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 18, 2017 20:44:49 GMT
Word on the street is that the club are taking this issue seriously which is great, I'm just not sure of next seasons new away kit...
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Post by geekenny on Aug 18, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
Word on the street is that the club are taking this issue seriously which is great, I'm just not sure of next seasons new away kit... Yeh...you wouldn't be able to wear that at Crystal Palace.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 18, 2017 20:52:49 GMT
In this kind of situation I'd be having a look at what our mates St.Pauli do.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 18, 2017 21:49:10 GMT
It should actually be.... The SC LGGBDTTTIQQAAPP SC If anyone is putting together a meeting.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Aug 18, 2017 22:04:48 GMT
We could have an LGBT or gay supporters group. We could also have one for women another for senior citizens and another for supporters from the towns of Stoke and Fenton. I suppose clubs for left-handed supporters and the tea drinkers might also be possible. Alternatively we could just have one universal group of people who support Stoke....maybe call us the 'Stoke City Supporters'. Radical...perhaps, but in some ways it seems less divisive!
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 18, 2017 22:08:47 GMT
They'd only end up arguing between themselves anyway.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 18, 2017 22:09:47 GMT
Why on earth do we need to segregate supporters? Segregation is what millennials want these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 1:41:17 GMT
Word on the street is that the club are taking this issue seriously which is great, I'm just not sure of next seasons new away kit... Looks like Shaq with that quiff.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Aug 19, 2017 6:34:41 GMT
By not having one, or needing one, we are a more united set of supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 7:03:03 GMT
Word on the street is that the club are taking this issue seriously which is great, I'm just not sure of next seasons new away kit... Yeh...you wouldn't be able to wear that at Crystal Palace. Prefer red and white 👍 Next size up 😬
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 7:04:08 GMT
Word on the street is that the club are taking this issue seriously which is great, I'm just not sure of next seasons new away kit... Looks like Shaq with that quiff. Shaq's legs are bigger 😬
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Post by woodstein on Aug 19, 2017 8:47:13 GMT
It should actually be.... The SC LGGBDTTTIQQAAPP SC If anyone is putting together a meeting. The song will go; "give us an S, give us a C, give us an L, oh I give up. Think we could set up a white, male, heterosexual group but that would of course would be racist, sexist etc etc.
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Post by scfcballers on Aug 19, 2017 8:53:08 GMT
It should actually be.... The SC LGGBDTTTIQQAAPP SC If anyone is putting together a meeting. The song will go; "give us an S, give us a C, give us an L, oh I give up. Think we could set up a white, male, heterosexual group but that would of course would be racist, sexist etc etc. Why would you want to set up a white, male, heterosexual group though?
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Aug 19, 2017 9:08:55 GMT
There is a rumour that a LGBT movement is happening in the upper tier under the disguise of a group of ultras. Anybody else heard this
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 19, 2017 10:08:57 GMT
I'm afraid it's very naive to imagine that professional football and football crowds, whether at Stoke or anywhere else, are free from prejudice and, on occasions, homophobic abuse. Only last season the FA had to take action against a prominent PL footballer for a homophobic tweet. Homophobic "jokes" appear on this Board and we have seen homophobic references to Philip Woolshied, for example. It is also heard at our matches, although thankfully much less often than it used to be. Let's wait until after we've played Brighton this season to assess just how much things have improved since the last time we played them.
I don't think we should be concerned that there isn't a LGBT fans group at Stoke but equally we shouldn't kid ourselves that it's because we are more tolerant and less prejudiced than other clubs. If LGBT fans at Stoke wanted to set up a group then I think that's fine, and it wouldn't have any negative effect on anyone else. We have a co-opted representative of Pride in Football, the national group, on the FSF National Council, and it's very helpful to have her views and input.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 19, 2017 10:18:26 GMT
Most are already in this demographic anyway. Lesbian, Gay, Genderqueer, Bisexual, Demisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Twospirit, Intersex, Queer, Questioning, Asexual, Allies, Pansexual, Polyamorous. Allies: A straight ally or heterosexual ally is a heterosexual and cisgender person who supports equal civil rights, gender equality, LGBT social movements, and challenges homophobia, biphobia and transphobia. Stonewall Allies Programme "As a result of the Allies programme, our Vice Chancellor now has a monthly reminder in his diary asking what he is doing as an ally for our LGBT staff in the coming month"
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 19, 2017 10:22:41 GMT
I remember going on a coach to an away game last season and the driver was cross-gender.
Imagine my disgust then, when the more raucous element on the bus started a rendition of;
"Get your tits out for the lads"
Had a LGBT group existed the driver might have sought comfort and support for such appalling behaviour.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 19, 2017 10:24:05 GMT
The none-too-subtle homophobic 'amusing banter' on this thread is evidence that homophobia is ingrained in many people. I'm like Malcolm: I'm not concerned whether the LGBT community set up a group or not. Their choice.
OS.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 19, 2017 10:30:56 GMT
I'm afraid it's very naive to imagine that professional football and football crowds, whether at Stoke or anywhere else, are free from prejudice and, on occasions, homophobic abuse. Only last season the FA had to take action against a prominent PL footballer for a homophobic tweet. Homophobic "jokes" appear on this Board and we have seen homophobic references to Philip Woolshied, for example. It is also heard at our matches, although thankfully much less often than it used to be. Let's wait until after we've played Brighton this season to assess just how much things have improved since the last time we played them. I don't think we should be concerned that there isn't a LGBT fans group at Stoke but equally we shouldn't kid ourselves that it's because we are more tolerant and less prejudiced than other clubs. If LGBT fans at Stoke wanted to set up a group then I think that's fine, and it wouldn't have any negative effect on anyone else. We have a co-opted representative of Pride in Football, the national group, on the FSF National Council, and it's very helpful to have her views and input. So how would it work in setting up a LGBT+ group or have a LGBT+ rep on the Supporters Council? Does the club have to initially provide a platform for new groups or is it down to the individuals to set themselves up first?
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 19, 2017 10:33:13 GMT
I'm afraid it's very naive to imagine that professional football and football crowds, whether at Stoke or anywhere else, are free from prejudice and, on occasions, homophobic abuse. Only last season the FA had to take action against a prominent PL footballer for a homophobic tweet. Homophobic "jokes" appear on this Board and we have seen homophobic references to Philip Woolshied, for example. It is also heard at our matches, although thankfully much less often than it used to be. Let's wait until after we've played Brighton this season to assess just how much things have improved since the last time we played them. I don't think we should be concerned that there isn't a LGBT fans group at Stoke but equally we shouldn't kid ourselves that it's because we are more tolerant and less prejudiced than other clubs. If LGBT fans at Stoke wanted to set up a group then I think that's fine, and it wouldn't have any negative effect on anyone else. We have a co-opted representative of Pride in Football, the national group, on the FSF National Council, and it's very helpful to have her views and input. So how would it work in setting up a LGBT+ group or have a LGBT+ rep on the Supporters Council? Does the club have to initially provide a platform for new groups or is it down to the individuals to set themselves up first? I would guess a group can form and present themselves to the club to seek approval.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 19, 2017 10:41:58 GMT
I'm afraid it's very naive to imagine that professional football and football crowds, whether at Stoke or anywhere else, are free from prejudice and, on occasions, homophobic abuse. Only last season the FA had to take action against a prominent PL footballer for a homophobic tweet. Homophobic "jokes" appear on this Board and we have seen homophobic references to Philip Woolshied, for example. It is also heard at our matches, although thankfully much less often than it used to be. Let's wait until after we've played Brighton this season to assess just how much things have improved since the last time we played them. I don't think we should be concerned that there isn't a LGBT fans group at Stoke but equally we shouldn't kid ourselves that it's because we are more tolerant and less prejudiced than other clubs. If LGBT fans at Stoke wanted to set up a group then I think that's fine, and it wouldn't have any negative effect on anyone else. We have a co-opted representative of Pride in Football, the national group, on the FSF National Council, and it's very helpful to have her views and input. So how would it work in setting up a LGBT+ group or have a LGBT+ rep on the Supporters Council? Does the club have to initially provide a platform for new groups or is it down to the individuals to set themselves up first? A group could just set itself up and doesn't need permission from anyone. The current Supporters Council rules stipulate that any democratic group with more than 200 members has a right to a place.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 19, 2017 10:44:32 GMT
So how would it work in setting up a LGBT+ group or have a LGBT+ rep on the Supporters Council? Does the club have to initially provide a platform for new groups or is it down to the individuals to set themselves up first? I would guess a group can form and present themselves to the club to seek approval. Yes, I would think it's that way round and I don't think there would any objections from anywhere. Just like a vegan branch or female branch.
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Post by woodstein on Aug 19, 2017 11:07:02 GMT
The song will go; "give us an S, give us a C, give us an L, oh I give up. Think we could set up a white, male, heterosexual group but that would of course would be racist, sexist etc etc. Why would you want to set up a white, male, heterosexual group though? I don't want to set one up, but you shouldn't allow one group but not another. A definite group I would like though is a group with a sense of humour, preferably non PC.
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Post by southstanddan on Aug 19, 2017 11:09:33 GMT
I remember going on a coach to an away game last season and the driver was cross-gender. Imagine my disgust then, when the more raucous element on the bus started a rendition of; "Get your tits out for the lads" Had a LGBT group existed the driver might have sought comfort and support for such appalling behaviour. ??? Well did he get them out or not? Don't leave me hanging!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 19, 2017 11:41:13 GMT
Most are already in this demographic anyway. Lesbian, Gay, Genderqueer, Bisexual, Demisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Twospirit, Intersex, Queer, Questioning, Asexual, Allies, Pansexual, Polyamorous. Allies: A straight ally or heterosexual ally is a heterosexual and cisgender person who supports equal civil rights, gender equality, LGBT social movements, and challenges homophobia, biphobia and transphobia. Stonewall Allies Programme "As a result of the Allies programme, our Vice Chancellor now has a monthly reminder in his diary asking what he is doing as an ally for our LGBT staff in the coming month" I don't want to sound pedantic but I think you'll find that 'two-spirit' is not interchangeable with 'LGBT Native American' or 'Gay Indian'. As such Two-Spirit would need to be a separate entity and not part of any LGBT 'umbrella' term. I'm sure you're absolutely correct. I have no idea. It wasn't my list I just cribbed it from the Elementary Teachers Federation of Ontario. A flyer from their "Inclusiveness Training". Attachment Deleted
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 19, 2017 11:45:37 GMT
Why would you want to set up a white, male, heterosexual group though? I don't want to set one up, but you shouldn't allow one group but not another. A definite group I would like though is a group with a sense of humour, preferably non PC.I see what you did there! Very clever that! A laugh-at-anything group. I can only begin to imagine the raucous laughter in that group at jokes about the Pakis and the Blacks and the Flids and the Queers. All non-PC stuff. Fucking brilliant! OS.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 19, 2017 12:07:48 GMT
I mean I couldn't really care who sits next to me at the match as long as you're not a complete idiot. Your colour, age, sex or anything else wouldn't even cross my mind. Well unless you're a black lesbian in her 60s with ginger hair... then I'll probably move seats. Well I hope you don't sit next to some of the idiots that post on here!
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 19, 2017 12:15:15 GMT
It's all good and well saying there's no need for LGBT supporters groups and I can see why people are saying it just causes more divisions. However, I assume they provide a safe space for LGBT fans where they don't have to worry about homophobic abuse which is all too common at football matches. I'm offended. What the hell has who I am poking got to do with me cheering on Stoke? In any event, if Norway Stokies want a group, they don't come on here and bitch and complain or ask people in England to form it, they organize and form it. If any other group wants a "special club" get on with it, organize and form it!
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 19, 2017 12:29:46 GMT
I'm afraid it's very naive to imagine that professional football and football crowds, whether at Stoke or anywhere else, are free from prejudice and, on occasions, homophobic abuse. Only last season the FA had to take action against a prominent PL footballer for a homophobic tweet. Homophobic "jokes" appear on this Board and we have seen homophobic references to Philip Woolshied, for example. It is also heard at our matches, although thankfully much less often than it used to be. Let's wait until after we've played Brighton this season to assess just how much things have improved since the last time we played them. I don't think we should be concerned that there isn't a LGBT fans group at Stoke but equally we shouldn't kid ourselves that it's because we are more tolerant and less prejudiced than other clubs. If LGBT fans at Stoke wanted to set up a group then I think that's fine, and it wouldn't have any negative effect on anyone else. We have a co-opted representative of Pride in Football, the national group, on the FSF National Council, and it's very helpful to have her views and input. C'mon Malcolm, you are not seriously suggesting that jokes featuring any particular group of people should be banned, are you? What about jokes about God? Or xyz religion, or for that matter people who are unfortunate enough to support Arsenal? I am told that in schools here(USA) if a student is asked to do something (like read an essay in front of class) that makes them feel "uncomfortable" , they tell the teacher and are given a coloring book instead of doing the assignment. I'm all for stamping out abuse, but people need to be more discerning about what to get excited about. I very much doubt that xyz rights are much of a topic for the Billion plus people starving right now. This is sobering . Now that's a problem that needs addressing.
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