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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 11, 2017 13:13:08 GMT
I understand what you're saying but I don't for one minute believe our diplomatic corps have not already been sounding out non-EU Governments via their opposite numbers. Of course we want a steady trading bloc in the EU while we're still a member and beyond and I honestly believe that will be the case. We all accept that it's in "everyone's interest". Trade is a separate issue to a political and financial union. It's only the EU that intertwines them. What I don't agree with is central law courts, Parliament, shared currency and open borders. Plus an ever increasing Super State with Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey all readying to join followed by Kosovo and Bosnia. As you say 45% of our exports go to the EU but that figure is declining. 55% of our exports go to the ROTW and that figure is growing. Fair enough rog. As I say we will have to agree to disagree. The future will tell. I'd just say that "sounding people out" is not the same as negotiating a trade agreement. All this fluff from the Brexit ministry about countries "lining up" to deal wth us is smoke and mirrors. At present there is neither the capacity or expertise within the Civil Service to negotiate meaningful trade agreements and no serious sign of any recruitment/training strategy to improve the situation. We will be extremely lucky to conclude an agreement with the EU within the 2 year period. As for the US - forget it for ten years at least - if ever(more likely imo). Anyway, I've got packing to do. Time will tell, I'm sure the topic will come up again.  Absolutely agree, on pure logistics alone, even if the will to do a deal with other nations was there. The strain on the civil service would be too much. Additionally, any trade deals if they hypothetically occur at the same time, inextricably effect the talks with the other party. It would be difficult to offer one nation free trade on certain aspects of the economy, and to then deny these to another nation we are in talks with. Turkey are as far away from joining the EU as they have ever been, it's been on the cards since the 80s, and they've closed 1 chapter out of 17. Erdogan's referendum win, has effectively killed off the talks. All rhetoric aside, the logistics just simply do not add up. If we get anything from the EU in this 2 years, or anything close, a mini miracle will have been performed by the civil service. US isn't arsed anymore, especially now chances are opening in Japan, China and the EU itself. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 11, 2017 14:52:48 GMT
I understand what you're saying but I don't for one minute believe our diplomatic corps have not already been sounding out non-EU Governments via their opposite numbers. Of course we want a steady trading bloc in the EU while we're still a member and beyond and I honestly believe that will be the case. We all accept that it's in "everyone's interest". Trade is a separate issue to a political and financial union. It's only the EU that intertwines them. What I don't agree with is central law courts, Parliament, shared currency and open borders. Plus an ever increasing Super State with Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey all readying to join followed by Kosovo and Bosnia. As you say 45% of our exports go to the EU but that figure is declining. 55% of our exports go to the ROTW and that figure is growing. Fair enough rog. As I say we will have to agree to disagree. The future will tell. I'd just say that "sounding people out" is not the same as negotiating a trade agreement. All this fluff from the Brexit ministry about countries "lining up" to deal wth us is smoke and mirrors. At present there is neither the capacity or expertise within the Civil Service to negotiate meaningful trade agreements and no serious sign of any recruitment/training strategy to improve the situation. We will be extremely lucky to conclude an agreement with the EU within the 2 year period. As for the US - forget it for ten years at least - if ever(more likely imo). Anyway, I've got packing to do. Time will tell, I'm sure the topic will come up again. An extract from the EU's official literature about trade; "The Union is one of the world’s most outward-oriented economies and intends to remain so. Trade with the rest of the world doubled from 1999 to 2010, and currently almost three quarters of imports into the EU pay no, or reduced, duties. Where duties are still payable, the average rate in 2013 was just 2.3 % for industrial products and 3.6 % for all goods overall." |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 10:53:59 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 20:27:14 GMT
Can't do the linky thing but Macron's first working day as President of France and he's in Berlin.... WTAF !!
Merkel and Macron both agree to "deepen EU integration".
He named the new French Prime Minister today. Was that speech from Berlin or Paris?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 15, 2017 20:39:18 GMT
Can't do the linky thing but Macron's first working day as President of France and he's in Berlin.... WTAF !! Merkel and Macron both agree to "deepen EU integration". He named the new French Prime Minister today. Was that speech from Berlin or Paris? WTAF - he left the country? I've seen some things in my time, but a prime minister leaving the country to meet another leader. Pffff, well I never. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 15, 2017 21:04:09 GMT
Can't do the linky thing but Macron's first working day as President of France and he's in Berlin.... WTAF !! Merkel and Macron both agree to "deepen EU integration". He named the new French Prime Minister today. Was that speech from Berlin or Paris? WTAF - he left the country? I've seen some things in my time, but a prime minister leaving the country to meet another leader. Pffff, well I never. You again!? I thought I told you to fuck off? Anyway. He was sworn in as the French President on Sunday. Hollande gave him the nuclear codes, shook his hand and fucked off waving from the back seat of a megane. The very next day. Monday morning. Your first day as the new, youngest French President since Napoleon, promising a new culture of politics in France, with no party or MP's domestically in France and with the French Senate elections coming in June, you go to Berlin. You know what. When you wrote I've seen some things in my time, I don't believe you. |
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2017 21:40:39 GMT
After Holland and now France have rejected the right wing offerings and with Merkel set to win again,and with UKIP now a dead duck seems to me the tide has turned.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 21:55:57 GMT
After Holland and now France have rejected the right wing offerings and with Merkel set to win again,and with UKIP now a dead duck seems to me the tide has turned. They barely rejected the right wing, they had massive amounts of votes for those parties. UKIP have never been a serious party here, Europe is very different. UKIP received less than 5% of the vote in the last election. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 16, 2017 6:56:44 GMT
German press calling them Merkron.
Ahh, just like Brangelina.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 1, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
The Latest: France says no trace of Russian hacking Macron - AP "In an interview in his office Thursday with The Associated Press, Guillaume Poupard [Head of the French government’s cyber security agency] said the Macron campaign hack “was so generic and simple that it could have been practically anyone.” So now it's not fake news about his offshore companies? That was true then and no more APT28 Russian hacker's? The bastard son of Hollande and Rothschild rolls on......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 23:25:29 GMT
German press calling them Merkron. Ahh, just like Brangelina. Macrel would have been better. There is something fishy going on with the dictators. |
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Post by Gods on Jun 1, 2017 23:44:11 GMT
It would be the supreme irony if the same tide of anti-establishment feeling which brought about brexit were to sweep Jeremy Corbyn in to number 10. /
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 2, 2017 15:34:45 GMT
It would be the supreme irony if the same tide of anti-establishment feeling which brought about brexit were to sweep Jeremy Corbyn in to number 10. / Indeed, imagine the right's reaction if Brexit Britain turned out to be Socialist Britain. 
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 12, 2017 12:07:25 GMT
After the first round Macron's La République En Marche is heading for a landslide in France's parliamentary elections. Est. 400+ seats out of 577.
Grauniad
"Macron’s fledgling centrist movement could, with its centrist allies, go from zero to as many as 430 seats in the 577-seat French national assembly. This would be one of the biggest majorities in France since the end of the second world war."
Le Pen's fascists crushed. Latest estimates 5 seats at most. 
The sun continues to shine. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 30, 2017 21:56:31 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 1, 2017 7:52:41 GMT
You're like a living version of the Daily Express, terrified and hating anything foreign! Well have no fear, you'll get your wish soon enough. Well soon be a small, isolated, ignored little country which anywhere 'foreign' will quite happily have little to do with cos why bother they're not worth bothering with any more! And you can blame all the UK's subsequent problems on the influence of the left, despite the fact they won't have been in government its still all the fault of the left lol. Its never the Tories fault, always the left  |
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Post by rat on Jul 1, 2017 7:58:50 GMT
You're like a living version of the Daily Express, terrified and hating anything foreign! Well have no fear, you'll get your wish soon enough. Well soon be a small, isolated, ignored little country which anywhere 'foreign' will quite happily have little to do with cos why bother they're not worth bothering with any more! And you can blame all the UK's subsequent problems on the influence of the left, despite the fact they won't have been in government its still all the fault of the left lol. Its never the Tories fault, always the left I love the way The Express hates EU kettles and toasters . Talk about a newspaper losing it's marbles ..... The Express is a total basket case these days You'd need to be a bit soft in the old noggin to even consider picking the thing up to look at the pictures , never mind reading the bloody thing |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jul 1, 2017 8:44:51 GMT
You're like a living version of the Daily Express, terrified and hating anything foreign! Well have no fear, you'll get your wish soon enough. Well soon be a small, isolated, ignored little country which anywhere 'foreign' will quite happily have little to do with cos why bother they're not worth bothering with any more! And you can blame all the UK's subsequent problems on the influence of the left, despite the fact they won't have been in government its still all the fault of the left lol. Its never the Tories fault, always the left How does it feel being such a scared remainer as we head through the Brexit process. Less sleep every night? More grumpy at work? Worsening diet? You seem more snappy after each Brexit report. The "small, isolated, ignored little country which anywhere 'foreign' will quite happily have little to do with cos why bother they're not worth bothering with any more" is your outlook, not mine. Not sure about the Express reference when the story was from the Telegraph. In fact the origin to the story for me was this tweet, which I found funny. But I understand you probably won't. |
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