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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 22:57:47 GMT
It was ......when most of those youthful voters mature a little in later years ....their point of view will change ...it mostly always does ..  Likewise the Le Pen voters too then! Who knows in all honesty ? |
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Post by mtrstudent on May 8, 2017 2:26:19 GMT
The young aren't always going to change ideas later. Young people have led the way on legalising gays, pot, and inter-racial marriages in America, for example.
People do change their ideas, but just ignoring the young isn't the right way to go about it either.
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Post by felonious on May 8, 2017 7:16:39 GMT
Rejecting Le Pen is a sign of a confident nation, or at the very least one that will not be duped by bullshit populism. Whether Macron will be a success or not, I don't know. But he is a damn sight better than the poisoned witch that is Le Pen. My impression is that France is far from confident, a very divided scared nation, losing its identity, standing for very little.....as I say interesting times ahead Another project fear, every newspaper, every political enemy getting together to vote against Le Pen it's a hollow victory for France. Reminds me of how the Scottish nation was treated in their referendum. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 7:52:03 GMT
First call after the results came in..... Angela Merkel..... and here he is, President Macron arriving at his acceptance speech to the EU anthem not La Marseillaise.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 8:29:08 GMT
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Post by Mendicant on May 8, 2017 8:36:27 GMT
First call after the results came in..... Angela Merkel..... and here he is, President Macron arriving at his acceptance speech to the EU anthem not La Marseillaise. His first task is to cancel next year's kit. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 8, 2017 10:45:44 GMT
Typical French! Typical! Weak as water! Have the forgotten already the murderous terrorist attacks last year? They just voted for more of the same. A new day? No, it's the same day.
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Post by borat on May 8, 2017 10:49:45 GMT
I dont follow foreign politics, is she the equivalent to bnp or ukip?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 11:02:42 GMT
The same accusation made against 75% of the youth in this country who voted remain. Just a cheap shot   It was ......when most of those youthful voters mature a little in later years ....their point of view will change ...it mostly always does .. It's the years of lies and let downs that does it. Promises broken and a realisation that EVERY politician will tow the party line for a sufficient sum of money.
Once elected they merge into the nothingness of Party name calling. The house of commons is like a children's tea party and embarrasses me. The House of Lords , well are they just The Free Masons in disguise?
Nothing ever changes the rich get richer the poor get poorer because the route to power is a closed shop reserved really nice people who don't like to rock the boat of Britain.
Trouble is by the time you realise it you are too old to do anything about it.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 11:09:26 GMT
I dont follow foreign politics, is she the equivalent to bnp or ukip? UKIP. 20 years ago her old Man was leading the party and was more BNP. |
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Post by manmarking on May 8, 2017 11:41:32 GMT
I dont follow foreign politics, is she the equivalent to bnp or ukip? Depends who you believe  Social Justice Warrior/snowflake/virtue signaller types like me would have you believe she's the friendly face of fascism. She's only one step removed from the party founder, who's an undisputed anti-semite and nazi sympathiser. Social Injustice Warrior/shitflake/vice signaller types like rogerjonesisnotgod and carpslayer would have you believe she's completely rid the party of all its former racism and she represents tough common sense policies. And that there's an establishment conspiracy afoot to discredit her. Hope that helps |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 8, 2017 14:09:13 GMT
Le Pen and Brexit are not the same. I am sure that the Socialist's, Marxist left wing will agree the youth is the future, stupid ignorant thick old fuckers got it wrong again  , they should fuck off and live somewhere that mirrors their views the USA perhaps. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 8, 2017 14:40:16 GMT
Oh well, then we must agree to disagree. Economics isn't a zero-sum game. Euro Area GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.5% 1.4% 1.4%. UK GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.2% 1.3% 1.3% World Bank forecasts
Thanks for confirming my suspicions with those WB forecasted figures rog. The Euro area economy(even including basket case Greece) WILL grow faster than the UK over the next three years.
I note also that faster growing EU countries outside the Euro area are not included.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 15:47:08 GMT
Euro Area GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.5% 1.4% 1.4%. UK GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.2% 1.3% 1.3% World Bank forecasts
Thanks for confirming my suspicions with those WB forecasted figures rog. The Euro area economy(even including basket case Greece) WILL grow faster than the UK over the next three years.
I note also that faster growing EU countries outside the Euro area are not included.
UK well out stripping the EU for 2015 and 2016 but to be honest if it's inside the EU 1.4% or outside the EU 1.3% then ..... Rest of the World here we come :-) *I know the Euro area isn't the whole EU. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 8, 2017 18:08:48 GMT
I dont follow foreign politics, is she the equivalent to bnp or ukip? UKIP. 20 years ago her old Man was leading the party and was more BNP. A "watered down fascist" according to Channel 4 News. Typical of them, sadly. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 8, 2017 18:23:42 GMT
Macron has "re-branded" himself already. It seems he's been told, sorry, decided for himself to call his party; La République En Marche! Although he doesn't have a party. So he's going to ask for Doctors and Teachers to run to be his MP's. What could possibly go wrong ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 21:32:01 GMT
He just seems like plan b to me, close ties with previous president and they knew they would struggle. Watch many of hollande's party shift across. Anyhow who cares.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 8, 2017 21:36:49 GMT
Macron has "re-branded" himself already. It seems he's been told, sorry, decided for himself to call his party; La République En Marche! Although he doesn't have a party. So he's going to ask for Doctors and Teachers to run to be his MP's. What could possibly go wrong ? A lot less now the corrupt bigot has been passed over for another few year. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 9, 2017 15:12:52 GMT
Thanks for confirming my suspicions with those WB forecasted figures rog. The Euro area economy(even including basket case Greece) WILL grow faster than the UK over the next three years.
I note also that faster growing EU countries outside the Euro area are not included.
UK well out stripping the EU for 2015 and 2016 but to be honest if it's inside the EU 1.4% or outside the EU 1.3% then ..... Rest of the World here we come :-) *I know the Euro area isn't the whole EU. EDIT: Hmmm, where's the graph gone. Der... I'll have a look later. Sorry to be a pedant as usual rog. OCD I'm afraid. Those 2016 figures are estimates and were revised in March.
Take a look at this up to date graph comparing the actual quarterly growth figures for the last 5 years. The Euro area line is the light blue. The UK in black.
www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth
With the exception of one quarters growth figures, the Euro area has overtaken and has equalled or outperformed the UK in terms of economic growth since 2015.
If you have an interest in the economics of Europe this is an interesting site. The summaries are bang up to date. The historical data is er.... historical though - to 2015.
EDIT: I am of course talking rubbish with this graph so ignore it. Note the different scales applying to the two data sets. Der... I blame the bloody source site and poor eyesight! Still - at least I used the same two data sets! ahem...
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 9, 2017 16:36:04 GMT
The Front National was formed in 1972 by Le Pen senior, a number of ex- Vichy state Nazi collaborators from WW2, several ex-terrorists from the OAS(Organisation armée secrete), various veterans of the xenophobic and anti-Semitic Poujadist populist movement of the late '50s and assorted Catholic clerical fascists.
The OAS were responsible for approximately 2000 deaths in France and Algeria as well as making attempts on the lives of Charles de Gaulle (remember Edward Fox in Day of the Jackal?) , Jean Paul Sartre and several others.
Today Marine Le Pen and the party refuse outright to condemn the collaborationist WW2 Vichy regime and continue to deny the proven fact that Vichy French politicians, police and paramilitaries all assisted the Nazis in carrying out the Holocaust by rounding up and transporting Jews and others from both the Occupied and Vichy territories.
They CELEBRATE the Vichy regime and see themselves as its political heirs. They go so far as to compare the convicted traitorous Vichy leaders Laval and Petain favourably with the Free French national hero Charles De Gaulle.
The forerunners of these particular Frenchies not only surrendered to Germany but actively collaborated with the Nazis!
THAT IS WHY THE FRENCH OLDER GENERATION IS SO RESISTANT TO THEM! These days Islamophobia has caught up with the historically virulent anti-Semitism within the party and they now hate both in equal measure. Holocaust denial is rife in the party. A recent appointment to the party leadership was forced to resign within hours when his views came to light They are neither economic liberals or socially liberal, they are protectionist and reactionary.
They are a million miles away from UKIP. They are fascists pure and simple. If I were a UKIP supporter I would be mortified at being compared to the FN.
The goodwill towards them on here surprises me somewhat, given the terrorist background. I can't imagine Sinn Fein being given the same even handed treatment anytime soon. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 9, 2017 18:25:26 GMT
35% (11 m people) of the French just voted for an actual fascist to be president you melt, thank God the electorate of the UK is so immature I'll never see that my lifetime. 35% of the population won't vote for a Marxist in this country at the moment Le Pen ended up on 33.9%. If by Marxist you mean Corbyn, I'm tempted to back him to get close to that. I have him on 30% now and the gap between parties usually closes.. Let me just check if Abbot has put a battery in her calculator. .. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 9, 2017 19:12:20 GMT
UK well out stripping the EU for 2015 and 2016 but to be honest if it's inside the EU 1.4% or outside the EU 1.3% then ..... Rest of the World here we come :-) *I know the Euro area isn't the whole EU. EDIT: Hmmm, where's the graph gone. Der... I'll have a look later. Sorry to be a pedant as usual rog. OCD I'm afraid. Those 2016 figures are estimates and were revised in March.
Take a look at this up to date graph comparing the actual quarterly growth figures for the last 5 years. The Euro area line is the light blue. The UK in black.
www.tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/gdp-growth
With the exception of one quarters growth figures, the Euro area has overtaken and has equalled or outperformed the UK in terms of economic growth since 2015.
If you have an interest in the economics of Europe this is an interesting site. The summaries are bang up to date. The historical data is er.... historical though - to 2015.
Excellent. Change the time period to 10 years  |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 9, 2017 19:15:34 GMT
In fact, just change it to the 1 year graph. The Euro area GDP has flat lined since Jan 1st the UK's has just passed it  |
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Post by felonious on May 9, 2017 19:19:50 GMT
Macron has "re-branded" himself already. It seems he's been told, sorry, decided for himself to call his party; La République En Marche! Although he doesn't have a party. So he's going to ask for Doctors and Teachers to run to be his MP's. What could possibly go wrong ? What, no bankers? |
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Post by felonious on May 9, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
35% of the population won't vote for a Marxist in this country at the moment Le Pen ended up on 33.9%. If by Marxist you mean Corbyn, I'm tempted to back him to get close to that. I have him on 30% now and the gap between parties usually closes.. Let me just check if Abbot has put a battery in her calculator. .. Sock in her mouth more like |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 9, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
In fact, just change it to the 1 year graph. The Euro area GDP has flat lined since Jan 1st the UK's has just passed it View Attachment |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 9, 2017 19:35:15 GMT
I screwed that quote up as well! Sorry. Der...
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 10, 2017 12:45:57 GMT
In fact, just change it to the 1 year graph. The Euro area GDP has flat lined since Jan 1st the UK's has just passed it Yes rog. You have mistakenly used two different data sets on both graphs. EU quarterly GDP growth vs UK annual GDP growth. Easily done. Note the two different scales either side of the graphs as well. I fell foul of that and negated my earlier graph - I've since annotated it as rubbish.
The EU (Euro area only) annual GDP growth data vs UK annual GDP growth data over 10 years comes out correctly with both data sets on the same scale.
That looks right to me now. At last!
I stick with my earlier contention that The EU is recovering reasonably well from the recession in 2013 - as shown in the graph. Also, barring Greece(and Cyprus), growth in most EU countries will be equal to or greater than that of the UK this year; and, according to your World Bank forecasts, over the next couple of years as well.
My general point is simple. Over the next few years while we are tied to the EU and unable to negotiate trade agreements elsewhere we need stability in the market that still accounts for 45% of our exports. Macron is more likely to provide that.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 10, 2017 14:18:55 GMT
In fact, just change it to the 1 year graph. The Euro area GDP has flat lined since Jan 1st the UK's has just passed it Yes rog. You have mistakenly used two different data sets on both graphs. EU quarterly GDP growth vs UK annual GDP growth. Easily done. Note the two different scales either side of the graphs as well. I fell foul of that and negated my earlier graph - I've since annotated it as rubbish.
The EU (Euro area only) annual GDP growth data vs UK annual GDP growth data over 10 years comes out correctly with both data sets on the same scale.
That looks right to me now. At last!
I stick with my earlier contention that The EU is recovering reasonably well from the recession in 2013 - as shown in the graph. Also, barring Greece(and Cyprus), growth in most EU countries will be equal to or greater than that of the UK this year; and, according to your World Bank forecasts, over the next couple of years as well.
My general point is simple. Over the next few years while we are tied to the EU and unable to negotiate trade agreements elsewhere we need stability in the market that still accounts for 45% of our exports. Macron is more likely to provide that.
I understand what you're saying but I don't for one minute believe our diplomatic corps have not already been sounding out non-EU Governments via their opposite numbers. Of course we want a steady trading bloc in the EU while we're still a member and beyond and I honestly believe that will be the case. We all accept that it's in "everyone's interest". Trade is a separate issue to a political and financial union. It's only the EU that intertwines them. What I don't agree with is central law courts, Parliament, shared currency and open borders. Plus an ever increasing Super State with Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey all readying to join followed by Kosovo and Bosnia. As you say 45% of our exports go to the EU but that figure is declining. 55% of our exports go to the ROTW and that figure is growing. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 11, 2017 9:23:55 GMT
Yes rog. You have mistakenly used two different data sets on both graphs. EU quarterly GDP growth vs UK annual GDP growth. Easily done. Note the two different scales either side of the graphs as well. I fell foul of that and negated my earlier graph - I've since annotated it as rubbish.
The EU (Euro area only) annual GDP growth data vs UK annual GDP growth data over 10 years comes out correctly with both data sets on the same scale.
That looks right to me now. At last!
I stick with my earlier contention that The EU is recovering reasonably well from the recession in 2013 - as shown in the graph. Also, barring Greece(and Cyprus), growth in most EU countries will be equal to or greater than that of the UK this year; and, according to your World Bank forecasts, over the next couple of years as well.
My general point is simple. Over the next few years while we are tied to the EU and unable to negotiate trade agreements elsewhere we need stability in the market that still accounts for 45% of our exports. Macron is more likely to provide that.
I understand what you're saying but I don't for one minute believe our diplomatic corps have not already been sounding out non-EU Governments via their opposite numbers. Of course we want a steady trading bloc in the EU while we're still a member and beyond and I honestly believe that will be the case. We all accept that it's in "everyone's interest". Trade is a separate issue to a political and financial union. It's only the EU that intertwines them. What I don't agree with is central law courts, Parliament, shared currency and open borders. Plus an ever increasing Super State with Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia and Turkey all readying to join followed by Kosovo and Bosnia. As you say 45% of our exports go to the EU but that figure is declining. 55% of our exports go to the ROTW and that figure is growing. Fair enough rog. As I say we will have to agree to disagree. The future will tell. I'd just say that "sounding people out" is not the same as negotiating a trade agreement. All this fluff from the Brexit ministry about countries "lining up" to deal wth us is smoke and mirrors. At present there is neither the capacity or expertise within the Civil Service to negotiate meaningful trade agreements and no serious sign of any recruitment/training strategy to improve the situation. We will be extremely lucky to conclude an agreement with the EU within the 2 year period. As for the US - forget it for ten years at least - if ever(more likely imo). Anyway, I've got packing to do. Time will tell, I'm sure the topic will come up again. |
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