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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 4, 2017 18:08:09 GMT
Yes that was his threat. "only after" or "back of the queue". What queue? How many other countries? Just the EU and the UK or were we at the back of a longer queue? Nobody knows, he couldn't put any reasoning behind his his aggressive narrative and he had no control over whether it could become fact. He was an incumbent Head of State, albeit outgoing, and he appeared on State sponsored TV of another Sovereign State telling their citizens it would be bad for them to vote to Leave the EU. That's a fact. Even if was just the EU, that's a sizable queue, that's legislation to run past 27 member states in the Council, then majority in EU parliament and then to pass through both houses of congress in the US. A one trading bloc queue, is a pretty big queue. A US-EU trade deal has been in the making for 28 years, you can't do it overnight. You've been hood winked mate. It was a threat that he wasn't bound to and couldn't control. It's people like you who perpetuate his myth that there even was a "queue". Who say's the US can't do parallel talks with the UK and the EU. It was rhetoric and spin. All part of Project Fear. Obama did intervene in another countries political process. That's a fact. Your version of events that hasn't happened i.e. going to the back of an imaginary queue is pure conjecture.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 4, 2017 18:13:25 GMT
Even if was just the EU, that's a sizable queue, that's legislation to run past 27 member states in the Council, then majority in EU parliament and then to pass through both houses of congress in the US. A one trading bloc queue, is a pretty big queue. A US-EU trade deal has been in the making for 28 years, you can't do it overnight. You've been hood winked mate. It was a threat that he wasn't bound to and couldn't control. It's people like you who perpetuate his myth that there even was a "queue". Who say's the US can't do parallel talks with the UK and the EU. It was rhetoric and spin. All part of Project Fear. Obama did intervene in another countries political process. That's a fact. Your version of events that hasn't happened i.e. going to the back of an imaginary queue is pure conjecture. Oh look, a queue! www.ft.com/content/7996f226-282a-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7The US will sort out its trade deficits before anything else, if Britain is no longer part of that group which has the surplus, why would the USA pursue talks? To what end? Trump is a business man after all, why would he bother to deal with us, when he has bigger fish to immediately fry. It's not as simple as just talking at the same time, it requires huge volumes of civil servants, drawing up legislation and concessions that then pass through parliament. It is you who has been hoodwinked into believing it's the 1800s and trade is as easy as selling your goods at a market. It ain't.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 4, 2017 18:14:47 GMT
Righto. Be sure to keep an eye on that court case. Let me know how it goes With pleasure, you let me know how Jean Francois Jalkh's goes in his efforts to repudiate claims he challenged the use of zyklon B in the Holocaust. Yeah, you've been hood winked. Good luck
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 4, 2017 18:20:32 GMT
With pleasure, you let me know how Jean Francois Jalkh's goes in his efforts to repudiate claims he challenged the use of zyklon B in the Holocaust. Yeah, you've been hood winked. Good luck Smashing, I look forward to not hearing the journalist's recordings They're in a 2005 book too, he's only challenged them since it's been brought to light and he took over from Le Pen. She's the "soft" face of a particularly vicious party. Vive la France.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 4, 2017 18:23:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 21:29:35 GMT
Hope he's not got a fettish for toes ?
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Post by Malex on May 4, 2017 23:41:12 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 5, 2017 0:43:24 GMT
Hope he's not got a fettish for toes ? As one of the comments mentions "Mummy issues".
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Post by bathstoke on May 5, 2017 6:04:04 GMT
The French have put up 2 rank outsiders as their presidential candidates, giving a bloody nose to the established political elite, their so disillusioned. Seems we're walking hand in hand back into the dark ages...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 6, 2017 12:34:58 GMT
Macron's Caribbean bank account details coming to light but there's media blackout in France ........ Here's his company, La Providence LLC, a shell entity on the island of Nevis. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 6, 2017 12:43:57 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 6, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
Ahem..... "The Macron campaign statement added that all the documents were "lawful"." So a "lawful" offshore company. As opposed to denying many times having any offshore activities at all. "France's election campaign commission will hold a meeting on Saturday morning to discuss the hacking attack on the Macron campaign and online documents leak. It urged French media not to publish the documents, warning that some of them were "probably" fake." Liberté, Equalité, Beyoncé
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Post by manmarking on May 6, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
With pleasure, you let me know how Jean Francois Jalkh's goes in his efforts to repudiate claims he challenged the use of zyklon B in the Holocaust. Yeah, you've been hood winked. Good luck "National Front supporter accuses others of being hoodwinked"
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 6, 2017 14:05:04 GMT
A Le Pen victory tomorrow, however unlikely, would be disastrous for the UK economy. There would be chaos and instability in our primary single export market, Europe, just as the UK economy needs to rebalance towards export led growth. It is in OUR economic interests that the ongoing recovery in Europe continues and that our export industries are able to take advantage of the slump in the value of Sterling. Economic growth is slowing here as the year progresses. Off the top of my head, aside from Greece, every country in the EU will grow faster than us this year. A great opportunity for our exporters. Ironic I know, and it may not suit everyone here, but in the short/mid term, a successful Brexit Britain desperately needs a stable and successful EU.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 6, 2017 14:10:05 GMT
A Le Pen victory tomorrow, however unlikely, would be disastrous for the UK economy. There would be chaos and instability in our primary single export market, Europe, just as the UK economy needs to rebalance towards export led growth. It is in OUR economic interests that the ongoing recovery in Europe continues and that our export industries are able to take advantage of the slump in the value of Sterling. Economic growth is slowing here as the year progresses. Off the top of my head, aside from Greece, every country in the EU will grow faster than us this year. A great opportunity for our exporters. Ironic I know, and it may not suit everyone here, but in the short/mid term, a successful Brexit Britain desperately needs a stable and successful EU. I'm not against an European trading bloc. I'm against an enforced bureaucratic super state.
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 6, 2017 14:14:58 GMT
A Le Pen victory tomorrow, however unlikely, would be disastrous for the UK economy. There would be chaos and instability in our primary single export market, Europe, just as the UK economy needs to rebalance towards export led growth. It is in OUR economic interests that the ongoing recovery in Europe continues and that our export industries are able to take advantage of the slump in the value of Sterling. Economic growth is slowing here as the year progresses. Off the top of my head, aside from Greece, every country in the EU will grow faster than us this year. A great opportunity for our exporters. Ironic I know, and it may not suit everyone here, but in the short/mid term, a successful Brexit Britain desperately needs a stable and successful EU. I'm not against an European trading bloc. I'm against an enforced bureaucratic super state. I'm a pragmatist. EDIT: and a patriot.
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Post by Mendicant on May 7, 2017 18:08:12 GMT
Macron wins with a projected 65% of the vote.
This means 35% voted for Le Pen. Oh là piggeen là, that's a lot of French people voting for an anti-EU candidate. A lot...
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 18:08:18 GMT
65.5% to 34.5% En Marche! Vive La France! The triumph of hope over fear.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 7, 2017 18:10:49 GMT
Disaster averted for at least another few years then.
Well done France.
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 7, 2017 18:13:55 GMT
I hope he isn't sponsored by Macron or he'll be dressed in relegation fodder for the next 5 years.
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 18:18:23 GMT
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 7, 2017 18:21:42 GMT
Who'd have ever thought the French would surrender to the Germans...
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 18:38:25 GMT
Disaster averted for at least another few years then. Well done France. The AfD are rapidly going backwards in Germany so with any luck that's the high water mark for the far right now. A very good result in the circumstances, and excellent news for the UK economy going ahead into a period of uncertainty. Europe needs 4 or 5 years of stabilty and growth now.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 18:41:21 GMT
Just as in the Netherlands, the candidate of the "silent majority" is emphatically silenced.
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Post by felonious on May 7, 2017 18:57:28 GMT
Fabulous news, another banker
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 19:00:31 GMT
Fabulous news, another banker I would have backed Fillon against the fascist mate - and he's a Thatcherite!
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Post by themistocles on May 7, 2017 19:01:42 GMT
What's far right about Le Pen ?
In my opinion she's very liberal on things like economics and social issues...
Why is it that people/ party's are labeled "FAR RIGHT' if they question immigration.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 19:04:21 GMT
What's far right about Le Pen ? In my opinion she's very liberal on things like economics and social issues... Why is it that people/ parties are labeled "FAR RIGHT' if they question immigration. Le Pen has softened the image of the party somewhat, the party itself consists of politicians with an outlook more in keeping to that of her father. Left/Right is a very poor measure of a party's stance in this day and age, in my opinion.
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Post by felonious on May 7, 2017 19:08:06 GMT
What's far right about Le Pen ? In my opinion she's very liberal on things like economics and social issues... Why is it that people/ parties are labeled "FAR RIGHT' if they question immigration. Le Pen has softened the image of the party somewhat, the party itself consists of politicians with an outlook more in keeping to that of her father. The niece is next on the conveyor belt with an even softer outlook apparently. The EU is going to have to hope that the banker makes a success of the next 5 years.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 7, 2017 19:08:10 GMT
Just as in the Netherlands, the candidate of the "silent majority" is emphatically silenced. That's just not true at all. Neither Holland or France had a candidate that represented the 'silent majority', what they had was a candidate who represented the far-right... And the fact that a fair number of the 'silent majority' have ended up voting for a far-right candidate *should* be getting the left to wake the fuck up & realise that people aren't happy with what is happening to their countries... But as evidenced right here on this thread, it's already being claimed as some kind of victory instead.
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