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Post by themistocles on Apr 23, 2017 19:17:26 GMT
Far more entertaining than our elections.
Marine le pen blasting out La Marseillaise.
Will be very interesting 2 ND round: Will the left of France vote for the effectively blairite of France in Macron ?
Will the older generation vote for such a young candidate ?
Will the rebellious youth vote for the establishment ?
Plenty to play for .
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Apr 23, 2017 19:42:56 GMT
It'll be Macron. The ones who didn't get their preferred candidate through will vote for him rather than Le Pen.
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Post by themistocles on Apr 23, 2017 19:55:36 GMT
It'll be Macron. The ones who didn't get their preferred candidate through will vote for him rather than Le Pen. I'm not too sure. Would malenchamp (sp) supporters vote for a staunch Europhile ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 7:22:27 GMT
So this ex banker Macron......what are his policies when he wins the election outright in a couple of weeks?
Totally understand that he would win hands down in the next round as there's so much hatred for the narrow minded, Russian loving Le penn .
But, was he created because the elite saw how the UK and the US public turned their backs on the usual bullshit parties?
Is he really same old bullshitter disguised as a fresh new champion of the people?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 24, 2017 7:55:52 GMT
En Marche with Macron or Marching boots with the fascist!
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2017 9:14:28 GMT
mmm...
Strongly ProEu Macron: 24% Abstentions: 23.8% Extreme right: Le Pen 21.8% Hard left: Melenchon 19,3%
Given this I'm not sure the poll predictions of Macron easily taking the second round are sound especially if Le Pen can attract the anti-eu vote from across the spectrum.
This feels like Trump v Clinton, gender reversed. Le Pen's statement was very Trump-like, the clips of her rallies on the BBC news feel similar, if somewhat less toxic, she is much more polished than Trump.
Lots to be concerned about with the populist right on the march around Europe for sure.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 24, 2017 9:16:53 GMT
mmm... Strongly ProEu Macron: 24% Abstentions: 23.8% Extreme right: Le Pen 21.8% Hard right: Melenchon 19,3% Given this I'm not sure the poll predictions of Macron easily taking the second round are sound especially if Le Pen can attract the anti-eu vote from across the spectrum. This feels like Trump v Clinton, gender reversed. Le Pen's statement was very Trump-like, the clips of her rallies on the BBC news feel similar, if somewhat less toxic, she is much more polished than Trump. Lots to be concerned about with the populist right on the march around Europe for sure. Melenchon is hard left not hard right. Nonetheless, many of his working class voters could be tempted by Le Pen?
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Post by Gods on Apr 24, 2017 9:19:13 GMT
mmm... Strongly ProEu Macron: 24% Abstentions: 23.8% Extreme right: Le Pen 21.8% Hard right: Melenchon 19,3% Given this I'm not sure the poll predictions of Macron easily taking the second round are sound especially if Le Pen can attract the anti-eu vote from across the spectrum. This feels like Trump v Clinton, gender reversed. Le Pen's statement was very Trump-like, the clips of her rallies on the BBC news feel similar, if somewhat less toxic, she is much more polished than Trump. Lots to be concerned about with the populist right on the march around Europe for sure. Melenchon is hard left not hard right. Nonetheless, many of his working class voters could be tempted by Le Pen? Sorry, correct my typo, I've fixed it now, my point is the same one though for the reason you state above!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 11:38:41 GMT
Even if Le Pen loses, this sends out a huge message that people are sick to death of Left wing policies, and are hugely patriotic and are sick of being sold down the river.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2017 11:43:21 GMT
Even if Le Pen loses, this sends out a huge message that people are sick to death of Left wing policies, and are hugely patriotic and are sick of being sold down the river. 100% correct Left wing policies have indeed driven many across Europe to realise the only way they can make their voices heard is to turn to the right, Le Pen will not be elected but the support she has amassed will send sock waves over Northern Europe.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 24, 2017 12:02:03 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about
A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans.
It's time for France to do their bit
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 13:34:29 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit It's not far off run by Germans for Germans now Altho it's a sad state of affairs when the only option to leave the eu for France is le pen Pretty much sown up by hollande's buddy, the ex banker who seems to believes he's the resurrection. Bit like Obama
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 14:12:37 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit Oh, sloppy. Sloppy, sloppy sloppy... Here's an old classic, updated just for you First they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out— Because I believe everything I’m told by The Mail and The Express.
Then they came for the socialists and I did not speak out— Because I don’t actually understand what a socialist is.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because Thatcher taught me we’re all better off if it’s every man for himself.
Then they came for the Jews, and actually I did speak out— But only if it was Labour politicians in the wrong (I couldn’t actually give a flying fuck about the Jews).
Then they came for me—and at least we’d sorted out the bloody Muslamics so I didn't notice lol.
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Post by Mendicant on Apr 24, 2017 16:36:14 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit Anti EU lobby... how can casserole be political? Get a grip youth.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 24, 2017 17:07:44 GMT
Even if Le Pen loses, this sends out a huge message that people are sick to death of Left wing policies, and are hugely patriotic and are sick of being sold down the river. If Macron wins, it'll send a message that it's possible to protest against the existing mainstream parties without electing a populist, right-wing fuckwit ala Trump. Lets hope it happens.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2017 17:16:46 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit It's not far off run by Germans for Germans now Altho it's a sad state of affairs when the only option to leave the eu for France is le pen Pretty much sown up by hollande's buddy, the ex banker who seems to believes he's the resurrection. Bit like Obama The Germans don't even pretend to be running the eu behind the scenes . They have been front and centre in all of the major decisions, putting the Greeks into an economic stranglehold they can never recover from , admittedly a situation of their own making . Creating the migration nightmare as well
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2017 17:22:41 GMT
Even if Le Pen loses, this sends out a huge message that people are sick to death of Left wing policies, and are hugely patriotic and are sick of being sold down the river. If Macron wins, it'll send a message that it's possible to protest against the existing mainstream parties without electing a populist, right-wing fuckwit ala Trump. Lets hope it happens. It will happen, six months further on the French will realise they have voted for a business man like the Don, that's going well , socialism is dying throughout Europe you should be asking yourselves why ?, why are the indigenous populations of Northern Europe turning to the right wing parties ?, Marine le Pen would never have been a serious candidate even 5 years ago now she is into the 2nd round of voting for the leadership the socialists have been rejected.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2017 17:30:28 GMT
If Macron wins, it'll send a message that it's possible to protest against the existing mainstream parties without electing a populist, right-wing fuckwit ala Trump. Lets hope it happens. It will happen, six months further on the French will realise they have voted for a business man like the Don, that's going well , socialism is dying throughout Europe you should be asking yourselves why ?, why are the indigenous populations of Northern Europe turning to the right wing parties ?, Marine le Pen would never have been a serious candidate even 5 years ago now she is into the 2nd round of voting for the leadership the socialists have been rejected. About time the French came to their senses. Their economy has stagnated under socialism. Social programmes , working practices and crippling taxation have created a huge mess . They need a Thatcher to sort it out
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 24, 2017 18:17:59 GMT
If Macron wins, it'll send a message that it's possible to protest against the existing mainstream parties without electing a populist, right-wing fuckwit ala Trump. Lets hope it happens. It will happen, six months further on the French will realise they have voted for a business man like the Don, that's going well , socialism is dying throughout Europe you should be asking yourselves why ?, why are the indigenous populations of Northern Europe turning to the right wing parties ?, Marine le Pen would never have been a serious candidate even 5 years ago now she is into the 2nd round of voting for the leadership the socialists have been rejected. The Fronte Nationale got to the 2nd round 15 years ago. Europe is turning to the right due to fears about immigration (some founded, some not founded), the failure of politicians to make globalisation work for everyone (or enough people to keep everyone happy), and an economic crash which invariably sees people turn to the right.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 24, 2017 18:38:20 GMT
So this ex banker Macron......what are his policies when he wins the election outright in a couple of weeks? Totally understand that he would win hands down in the next round as there's so much hatred for the narrow minded, Russian loving Le penn . But, was he created because the elite saw how the UK and the US public turned their backs on the usual bullshit parties? Is he really same old bullshitter disguised as a fresh new champion of the people? The US and U.K. Voted for the same bullshit parties
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 24, 2017 18:50:22 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit It's not far off run by Germans for Germans now Altho it's a sad state of affairs when the only option to leave the eu for France is le pen Pretty much sown up by hollande's buddy, the ex banker who seems to believes he's the resurrection. Bit like Obama The far left guy Melenchon also wanted out of the EU (and campaigned for it pay attention Jeremy ) so just under 41% of the French voted for anti EU parties, with numbers like that you'd think a French anti EU party could be a goer. But I hope Le Pen gets stuffed in the second round.
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Post by yeokel on Apr 24, 2017 19:31:49 GMT
It's not far off run by Germans for Germans now Altho it's a sad state of affairs when the only option to leave the eu for France is le pen Pretty much sown up by hollande's buddy, the ex banker who seems to believes he's the resurrection. Bit like Obama The far left guy Melenchon also wanted out of the EU (and campaigned for it pay attention Jeremy ) so just under 41% of the French voted for anti EU parties, with numbers like that you'd think a French anti EU party could be a goer. But I hope Le Pen gets stuffed in the second round. Well, it looks as if she's thrown the towel in. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861Or has she decided that there is too much baggage with the Fronte Nationale so is going it alone?
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 24, 2017 19:52:01 GMT
The far left guy Melenchon also wanted out of the EU (and campaigned for it pay attention Jeremy ) so just under 41% of the French voted for anti EU parties, with numbers like that you'd think a French anti EU party could be a goer. But I hope Le Pen gets stuffed in the second round. Well, it looks as if she's thrown the towel in. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39696861Or has she decided that there is too much baggage with the Fronte Nationale so is going it alone? Vote for me I used to be Fronte Nationale president for x years would not improve her chances much you'd think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 19:56:34 GMT
So this ex banker Macron......what are his policies when he wins the election outright in a couple of weeks? Totally understand that he would win hands down in the next round as there's so much hatred for the narrow minded, Russian loving Le penn . But, was he created because the elite saw how the UK and the US public turned their backs on the usual bullshit parties? Is he really same old bullshitter disguised as a fresh new champion of the people? The US and U.K. Voted for the same bullshit parties You know what I mean you cantankerous cunt
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2017 22:02:30 GMT
It will happen, six months further on the French will realise they have voted for a business man like the Don, that's going well , socialism is dying throughout Europe you should be asking yourselves why ?, why are the indigenous populations of orders Northern Europe turning to the right wing parties ?, Marine le Pen would never have been a serious candidate even 5 years ago now she is into the 2nd round of voting for the leadership the socialists have been rejected. About time the French came to their senses. Their economy has stagnated under socialism. Social programmes , working practices and crippling taxation have created a huge mess . They need a Thatcher to sort it out They and many others in Europe need to sort their border controls out including ourselves, let the Germans keep their newly invited friends they are more than welcome to them ! the rest of us need to be aware that we are in danger from these economic migrants and would be Islamic terrorist murdering scum, we have enough issues with the enemy within our borders without inviting more of these barbarian's to join them.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 24, 2017 22:23:57 GMT
Candidate 1
- Negotiation with Brussels on a new EU, followed by a referendum
- "Automatic" expulsion of illegal immigrants and legal immigration cut to 10,000 per year following an immediate total moratorium
- "Extremist" mosques closed and priority to French nationals in social housing
- Retirement age fixed at 60 and 35-hour week assured
Candidate 2
- Cut 120,000 public sector jobs and bring down the budget deficit
- A €50bn public investment plan to cover job-training and shift to renewable energy
- Slash corporation tax from 33% to 25% and let companies renegotiate 35-hour week. Unify the pension system
- Bolster EU ties and the eurozone, higher tariffs to protect European industry, common border force
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2017 22:36:21 GMT
Candidate 1 - Negotiation with Brussels on a new EU, followed by a referendum - "Automatic" expulsion of illegal immigrants and legal immigration cut to 10,000 per year following an immediate total moratorium - "Extremist" mosques closed and priority to French nationals in social housing - Retirement age fixed at 60 and 35-hour week assured Candidate 2 - Cut 120,000 public sector jobs and bring down the budget deficit - A €50bn public investment plan to cover job-training and shift to renewable energy - Slash corporation tax from 33% to 25% and let companies renegotiate 35-hour week. Unify the pension system - Bolster EU ties and the eurozone, higher tariffs to protect European industry, common border force Candidate 1 seems to have the edge by a country mile but will the French have the bollocks ?, Frexit on the way if they don't nailed on, common border force what a fcuking joke ask the Swedes, Greeks and Italians, the German people are well and truly fucked thanks to minging Merkel leader of the EU.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 24, 2017 22:49:11 GMT
"There are two things I want to give back to you, the people. Your voice... and your money!”
- Marine Le Pen
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Post by hammered on Apr 24, 2017 23:30:41 GMT
So we've a new political centre (in France) somewhere between the rookie EU candidate and LePen with the left having been rejected/ejected etc..but neither of the mainstream parties in the final, which speaks volumes of France's political awakening and why I think it'll be close.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 25, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
A very astute woman, clearly leads by conviction and vision . In this video she shows more awareness of what is happening in respect to Brexit, and the scaremongering, stale, negative elitist mantra of the Remoaners than many in the UK. It is refreshing to see how she handles the brow beating of the BBC agenda that we have come to accept.
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