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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 19:12:30 GMT
To their great credit even Farage and UKIP made sure to snub the advances of the fascist FN and backed the DLF instead.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 19:16:01 GMT
Just as in the Netherlands, the candidate of the "silent majority" is emphatically silenced. That's just not true at all. Neither Holland or France had a candidate that represented the 'silent majority', what they had was a candidate who represented the far-right... And the fact that a fair number of the 'silent majority' have ended up voting for a far-right candidate *should* be getting the left to wake the fuck up & realise that people aren't happy with what is happening to their countries... But as evidenced right here on this thread, it's already being claimed as some kind of victory instead. I think any result that means that FN aren't in power is a victory. Promoters of both Wilders and Le Pen stated they represented a majority of people left behind by mainstream politics, this is clearly not the case as both Wilders and Le Pen have lost. However, it cannot be ignored that issues are still present. France is in an odd position, it's going to be led by a man with no MPs, if you're a young centrist in France right now, it's an opportunity to get into politics and change it, that is a victory compared to the politics of fear and hate perpetuated by the FN. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 7, 2017 19:20:42 GMT
What's far right about Le Pen ? In my opinion she's very liberal on things like economics and social issues... Why is it that people/ parties are labeled "FAR RIGHT' if they question immigration. Le Pen has softened the image of the party somewhat, the party itself consists of politicians with an outlook more in keeping to that of her father. Left/Right is a very poor measure of a party's stance in this day and age, in my opinion. I think that you are both correct, as is DC above. If a day is a long time in politics, the next five years should be interesting. It is hard to change an image, if a party emerges / or Front Nationale's image becomes softer, then an anti eu party, coupled with concerns about immigration, against the backdrop of whatever actually transpires in France, might be successful in the future. Lin many wzys I think the French are more polarised and less tolerant than us in respect of race...no room for concerns about immigration without being labelled a racist. In the UK at least people such as Field, Stuart, Corbyn ( at one time) , Galloway and Benn could be Eurosceptic, but not labelled racist. I don't think the French really had anywhere to go. Safety first.Their confidence as a nation has gone, they have been content to " know their place" as deputy head and first lieutenant to the Germans. Interesting times. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 19:22:36 GMT
Not great for the UK if you're still a Brexit loon.
Wilders got his arse handed to him in Holland, now le Pen gets hers in France. AfD in Germany has no chance and Merkel will win again.
Seems only we've been stupid enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. Europe will now adapt and evolve to meet the left behind and we will be cast adrift.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 19:25:05 GMT
Not great for the UK if you're still a Brexit loon. Wilders got his arse handed to him in Holland, now le Pen gets hers in France. AfD in Germany has no chance and Merkel will win again. Seems only we've been stupid enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. Europe will now adapt and evolve to meet the left behind and we will be cast adrift. Good. Hard Brexit is on the cards then. Then the eu will collapse |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 19:35:35 GMT
The EU will collapse lol!
Why, because they need us more than we need them!
With the national elections abroad all returning pro EU parties to power, I think the populist headbangers have had their five minutes in the sun. The EU will come together like never before now to make an example of us, free from the worry of populist parties causing a problem.
You know what, that's what the people of Europe want too. One, they're fed up with us whining and being the victim all the time when the opposite is true and two they're curious to see how shit it's going to be for us. We're guinea pigs basically, wallowing in our own self made disaster.
We're fucked.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 19:37:37 GMT
Not great for the UK if you're still a Brexit loon. Wilders got his arse handed to him in Holland, now le Pen gets hers in France. AfD in Germany has no chance and Merkel will win again. Seems only we've been stupid enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. Europe will now adapt and evolve to meet the left behind and we will be cast adrift. Good. Hard Brexit is on the cards then. Then the eu will collapse and the worldwide economic turmoil and shockwaves this would cause would be a fantastic thing? It would be a disaster, especially for the "independent" UK if a trading bloc the size of the EU collapsed. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 19:39:50 GMT
Don't expect sense from Mary!
He'll be off scanning the Daily Express website to find reasons why Macrons win is really great news for Brexit Britain!
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 19:41:39 GMT
Macron's win IS great news for Brexit Britain. We don't need chaos in our primary export market.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 7, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
Disaster averted for at least another few years then. Well done France. The AfD are rapidly going backwards in Germany so with any luck that's the high water mark for the far right now. A very good result in the circumstances, and excellent news for the UK economy going ahead into a period of uncertainty. Europe needs 4 or 5 years of stabilty and growth now.  Excellent news ?? You seem more bothered about the EU's growth not the UK's. French presidential favourite Macron may drive hard bargain in Brexit talks - The Guardian April 2017 "In his election manifesto he described Brexit as a “crime” that will leave the UK facing “servitude”."
"The independent centrist favours a hard Brexit that would leave the UK outside of the single market, and has stressed the importance of “defending the integrity” of the EU’s intertwined freedoms of movement and trade." |
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2017 19:45:37 GMT
The EU will collapse lol! Why, because they need us more than we need them! With the national elections abroad all returning pro EU parties to power, I think the populist headbangers have had their five minutes in the sun. The EU will come together like never before now to make an example of us, free from the worry of populist parties causing a problem. You know what, that's what the people of Europe want too. One, they're fed up with us whining and being the victim all the time when the opposite is true and two they're curious to see how shit it's going to be for us. We're guinea pigs basically, wallowing in our own self made disaster. We're fucked. For someone who didn't look into brexit before voting for it, you seem to be an expert on European politics all of a sudden. Bearing in mind the net contributors within the 27 have already said they will not pay anymore into the budget and that Macron has already said he wants to renegotiate some of the EU rules like free movement as do some other countries, this unity doesn't seem that unified to me. One interesting fact for you whenever they have a big EU meeting they suspend Schengen for their safety and security, remember freedom of movement is sacrosanct |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 19:48:41 GMT
The AfD are rapidly going backwards in Germany so with any luck that's the high water mark for the far right now. A very good result in the circumstances, and excellent news for the UK economy going ahead into a period of uncertainty. Europe needs 4 or 5 years of stabilty and growth now. Excellent news ?? You seem more bothered about the EU's growth not the UK's. French presidential favourite Macron may drive hard bargain in Brexit talks - The Guardian April 2017 "In his election manifesto he described Brexit as a “crime” that will leave the UK facing “servitude”.
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"The independent centrist favours a hard Brexit that would leave the UK outside of the single market, and has stressed the importance of “defending the integrity” of the EU’s intertwined freedoms of movement and trade."I made the economic argument yesterday rog. It stands. The last thing we need is chaos in our primary export market. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 19:51:29 GMT
Good. Hard Brexit is on the cards then. Then the eu will collapse and the worldwide economic turmoil and shockwaves this would cause would be a fantastic thing? It would be a disaster, especially for the "independent" UK if a trading bloc the size of the EU collapsed. Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 19:52:35 GMT
Bless, the King of the Brown Nosers, followyoudown, is riding to his bumchum Mary's rescue! Nothing if not utterly predictable, fyd, such a brown noser! Fuck me, you are younger in the head than I first thought |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 19:57:13 GMT
and the worldwide economic turmoil and shockwaves this would cause would be a fantastic thing? It would be a disaster, especially for the "independent" UK if a trading bloc the size of the EU collapsed. Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us.It's within their interest to not give us a good deal. If they entice us with a good deal, what does that say to other countries threatening to leave. There is no deal "that suits both parties", not without major concessions from either side. Europe is uniting after Brexit, even within our own island, we're tearing ourselves apart. I think the EU will easily survive Brexit, and personally I think we've got a tough decade or so ahead of us before we begin to find out feet. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 7, 2017 19:57:33 GMT
I made the economic argument yesterday rog. It stands. The last thing we need is chaos in our primary export market. You say chaos I say progress. After Brexit the last thing we wanted was an inexperienced, Brussels lead French President who will be out to prove a point over his love for the EU. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 19:58:50 GMT
and the worldwide economic turmoil and shockwaves this would cause would be a fantastic thing? It would be a disaster, especially for the "independent" UK if a trading bloc the size of the EU collapsed. Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us. You're as deluded as May! Punishing us? We voted freely to leave! Stop being a victim all the time. You wanted this. Own it and stop bleating. |
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Post by Skankmonkey on May 7, 2017 20:00:39 GMT
I made the economic argument yesterday rog. It stands. The last thing we need is chaos in our primary export market. You say chaos I say progress. After Brexit the last thing we wanted was an inexperienced, Brussels lead French President who will be out to prove a point over his love for the EU. Oh well, then we must agree to disagree. Economics isn't a zero-sum game. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 7, 2017 20:01:54 GMT
Bless, the King of the Brown Nosers, followyoudown, is riding to his bumchum Mary's rescue! Nothing if not utterly predictable, fyd, such a brown noser! Fuck me, you are younger in the head than I first thought Really?! I was thinking 12  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 7, 2017 20:04:57 GMT
Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us.It's within their interest to not give us a good deal. If they entice us with a good deal, what does that say to other countries threatening to leave. There is no deal "that suits both parties", not without major concessions from either side. Europe is uniting after Brexit, even within our own island, we're tearing ourselves apart. I think the EU will easily survive Brexit, and personally I think we've got a tough decade or so ahead of us before we begin to find out feet. Europe isn't uniting at all, most of them are fully fucked off with Merkel for inviting half the world to come live in Germany; but now wants to push all the new arrivals onto other EU members. ... And if the EU is so amazing why can't they give us a good deal? If the EU is the best thing ever that we all can't live without, what are they so scared of? |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 20:06:02 GMT
Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us. You're as deluded as May! Punishing us? We voted freely to leave! Stop being a victim all the time. You wanted this. Own it and stop bleating. I'm not playing the victim, I'm all for hard Brexit if the cunts want to play games |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 20:07:00 GMT
The EU will collapse lol! Why, because they need us more than we need them! With the national elections abroad all returning pro EU parties to power, I think the populist headbangers have had their five minutes in the sun. The EU will come together like never before now to make an example of us, free from the worry of populist parties causing a problem. You know what, that's what the people of Europe want too. One, they're fed up with us whining and being the victim all the time when the opposite is true and two they're curious to see how shit it's going to be for us. We're guinea pigs basically, wallowing in our own self made disaster. We're fucked. For someone who didn't look into brexit before voting for it, you seem to be an expert on European politics all of a sudden. Bearing in mind the net contributors within the 27 have already said they will not pay anymore into the budget and that Macron has already said he wants to renegotiate some of the EU rules like free movement as do some other countries, this unity doesn't seem that unified to me. One interesting fact for you whenever they have a big EU meeting they suspend Scheme for their safety and security, remember freedom of movement is sacrosanct Actually, leaving your brown nosing to one side a sec, you're not being as daft as usual. That's exactly what the EU will probably do, look at freedom of movement and many other things, adapt, evolve and move on. Meanwhile we've chucked the baby out with the bathwater and will pay the price over many years to come. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2017 20:07:58 GMT
Well, the eu had better use common sense then and do what May has suggested, to do what's best for both parties and stop trying to punish us. You're as deluded as May! Punishing us? We voted freely to leave! Stop being a victim all the time. You wanted this. Own it and stop bleating. Or change your mind after voting for it and carry on bleating hey Einstein |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 20:11:18 GMT
Fuck me, you are younger in the head than I first thought Really?! I was thinking 12 That's being a little generous . |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 7, 2017 20:11:34 GMT
It's within their interest to not give us a good deal. If they entice us with a good deal, what does that say to other countries threatening to leave. There is no deal "that suits both parties", not without major concessions from either side. Europe is uniting after Brexit, even within our own island, we're tearing ourselves apart. I think the EU will easily survive Brexit, and personally I think we've got a tough decade or so ahead of us before we begin to find out feet. Europe isn't uniting at all, most of them are fully fucked off with Merkel for inviting half the world to come live in Germany; but now wants to push all the new arrivals onto other EU members. ... And if the EU is so amazing why can't they give us a good deal? If the EU is the best thing ever that we all can't live without, what are they so scared of? France and the Netherlands, big players in the union have just emphatically rejected anti-EU candidates, and AfD popularity is on the decline. Let's change the organisation, if say, France left NATO, and then demanded almost equal levels of protection outside the organisation without paying any fees, would we offer a deal to France suiting their agenda? Would we bollocks, the remaining members of the organisation would laugh France out of town. It took them 15 mins to decide their strategy, 27 nations who normally struggle to agree on the colour of an orange. That's how straightforward it is for them. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2017 20:15:55 GMT
For someone who didn't look into brexit before voting for it, you seem to be an expert on European politics all of a sudden. Bearing in mind the net contributors within the 27 have already said they will not pay anymore into the budget and that Macron has already said he wants to renegotiate some of the EU rules like free movement as do some other countries, this unity doesn't seem that unified to me. One interesting fact for you whenever they have a big EU meeting they suspend Scheme for their safety and security, remember freedom of movement is sacrosanct Actually, leaving your brown nosing to one side a sec, you're not being as daft as usual. That's exactly what the EU will probably do, look at freedom of movement and many other things, adapt, evolve and move on. Meanwhile we've chucked the baby out with the bathwater and will pay the price over many years to come. Good luck to them, I like many people decided I didn't want to be part of a European super state or have even greater political and monetary union so I voted out. As for paying the price let's see, the EU is a also a massive protectionist block which makes trade with the rest of the world difficult and expensive, we'll be free of this soon. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 7, 2017 20:16:53 GMT
You say chaos I say progress. After Brexit the last thing we wanted was an inexperienced, Brussels lead French President who will be out to prove a point over his love for the EU. Oh well, then we must agree to disagree. Economics isn't a zero-sum game. Euro Area GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.5% 1.4% 1.4%. UK GDP growth 2017, 2018, 2019 - 1.2% 1.3% 1.3% World Bank forecasts |
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2017 20:17:47 GMT
Fuck me, you are younger in the head than I first thought Really?! I was thinking 12 Think you're getting confused with the number of alternate user ID's he has  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 7, 2017 20:17:48 GMT
Really?! I was thinking 12 That's being a little generous . The Yoda of snide  |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 20:24:39 GMT
I'm not playing the victim, I'm all for hard Brexit if the cunts want to play games So why did you say the EU should be sensible and give us a good deal then if you want a hard Brexit? Face it, you've not got a clue have you. Its a good job fyd is happy enough to give you a supportive reach around at times like this. What I'm saying is I'm happy with hard Brexit if they want to risk chaos just to teach us a lesson Why are you so happy to say it's us that is causing instability when it's the eu with their poker face of "we'll teach those little Englanders" They'll drop the bullshit eventually as it'll hurt them more than us. People like you want to grow some bollocks......and hair while you're at it |
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