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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2017 19:43:01 GMT
I genuinely believe sparky has been a lucky manager , we have been a couple of injuries at the back away from catastrophe , and it's been like that for a season and a half! For that alone his transfer history is questionable , but that aside and taking everything into account , yes he should be sacked now ! We have had a couple (more) of injuries at the back. Shawcross and Butland. Cameron, Muniesa, Bardsley and Johnson all have missed chunks of seasons due to injury. Lucky my arse.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 7, 2017 19:49:46 GMT
I genuinely believe sparky has been a lucky manager , we have been a couple of injuries at the back away from catastrophe , and it's been like that for a season and a half! For that alone his transfer history is questionable , but that aside and taking everything into account , yes he should be sacked now ! We have had a couple (more) of injuries at the back. Shawcross and Butland. Cameron, Muniesa, Bardsley and Johnson all have missed chunks of seasons due to injury. Lucky my arse. So if shawcross and Indi were injured now would you be confident of players coming in to do a job ? Liverpool away we had no recognised defender on the bench ? If that's not negligent I don't know what is ! Two teams in the prem punching above their weight and in false positions Watford and Stoke !
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Post by kronkie on Jan 7, 2017 20:35:55 GMT
I am not so sure he has lost the dressing room.
I think he has given a couple of players to many chances and they have left him posted.
He picked a side today that before the game this board was in raptures over and we lost.
He picked a side on Tuesday that before the game this board thought the side was diabolical and we won.
I just hope he sends a couple of the players to greener pastures and Coates sticks with him and invests in giving the squad some balance.
Spot on.
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Post by swissattack on Jan 7, 2017 20:39:52 GMT
he lost the dressing room...i bet some players hate him to death
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 7, 2017 20:43:40 GMT
he lost the dressing room...i bet some players hate him to death And I say some of the players hate the way Shaq dives at every given opportunity. What did you think of Shaq's performance today, is it all Mark Hughes fault, maybe he's been spending too much time coaching Shaq to fall over
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 21:00:41 GMT
It's just a lazy cliche spouted by people who have nothing better to say. There's no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Completely agree with everything you said there! Didn't see the game today then mate ? Yes. Poor first half, much better second. Bad result. This is how football is. Absolutely no evidence anywhere to suggest that the dressing room has "been lost".
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 7, 2017 21:10:37 GMT
I'm really not going to lose my mind over this afternoon as I've followed Stoke for long enough to know that this sort of shit is typical. A cup run would have been great and it can sort of seem like it's season over but it really doesnt have to be. However it's obvious things need to change.
I'm far from Hughes out and I still think that one of Shaqiri, Imbula or Bojan could come into some form but having seen them all play for the past year, I think it can only be if only one of them is in the side at any time. There simply isn't the discipline or mindset to consider all 3 at the same time and, as disappointing as that is, it's affecting everything. If we can get rid of one or maybe two even this month, it removes that heacache for Hughes. We'd have to finish strongly without them to justify it to the supporters but what's the point in even considering them if they're going to create more problems than they solve?
Luckily, some of Hughes' other signings are performing in Allen, Indi and Afellay (he is quality) so I'm not going to say he's failed completely in that regard.
So, yeah, today was shite but I don't think he's lost the dressing room. I'd hazard a guess that if any of the three mentioned earlier left, the dressing room would be more harmonious.
This season up to now has been fairly poor but it is definitely salvagable if the right decisions are made between now and May. Hughes needs to decide who he wants to please. His selection today seemed to be one for the fans. I'll take results over you trying to please me, Mark. If you don't think Bojan deserves a start, don't give him one. Just make sure you get a positive result.
He has too much credit in the bank to simply dismss him after a shit result in the cup. Just sort your shit out please.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 7, 2017 21:14:21 GMT
Didn't see the game today then mate ? Yes. Poor first half, much better second. Bad result. This is how football is. Absolutely no evidence anywhere to suggest that the dressing room has "been lost". The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 21:16:01 GMT
I genuinely believe sparky has been a lucky manager , we have been a couple of injuries at the back away from catastrophe , and it's been like that for a season and a half! For that alone his transfer history is questionable , but that aside and taking everything into account , yes he should be sacked now ! With all the injuries that have hampered us massively in the past two years, you think Hughes has been 'lucky' not to have had a couple more?
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 7, 2017 21:19:37 GMT
Good. Imbula doesn't have the speed of thought or the desire to be successful in this league. Disagree to be honest. Fair enough. I've just not seen enough to convince me he wants to be successful.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 21:19:45 GMT
Yes. Poor first half, much better second. Bad result. This is how football is. Absolutely no evidence anywhere to suggest that the dressing room has "been lost". The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. But that doesn't suggest that he's lost the dressing room though does it?
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 7, 2017 21:21:52 GMT
I genuinely believe sparky has been a lucky manager , we have been a couple of injuries at the back away from catastrophe , and it's been like that for a season and a half! For that alone his transfer history is questionable , but that aside and taking everything into account , yes he should be sacked now ! With all the injuries that have hampered us massively in the past two years, you think Hughes has been 'lucky' not to have had a couple more? Yes , on six different occasions this season he's played with no recognised defender on the bench , absolute madness , we've won two of them games and drew one , we were an injury away from being completely fucked , complete neglect in my opinion and very lucky !
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 7, 2017 21:24:58 GMT
Yes. Poor first half, much better second. Bad result. This is how football is. Absolutely no evidence anywhere to suggest that the dressing room has "been lost". The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. Get rid of Bojan - 100% agree. Overpaid prima donna, trying to stick it to the manager regardless of the consequences to the club. If I were Hughes, he'd be on the transfer list tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 21:27:40 GMT
With all the injuries that have hampered us massively in the past two years, you think Hughes has been 'lucky' not to have had a couple more? Yes , on six different occasions this season he's played with no recognised defender on the bench , absolute madness , we've won two of them games and drew one , we were an injury away from being completely fucked , complete neglect in my opinion and very lucky ! That's only happened because of injuries to Muniesa, Cameron, Johnson and/or Bardsley. How lucky is that?
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 7, 2017 21:33:26 GMT
Yes , on six different occasions this season he's played with no recognised defender on the bench , absolute madness , we've won two of them games and drew one , we were an injury away from being completely fucked , complete neglect in my opinion and very lucky ! That's only happened because of injuries to Muniesa, Cameron, Johnson and/or Bardsley. How lucky is that? getting rid of huth and Wilson and not replacing them wasn't bad luck was it ? Muniesa was available for Liverpool wasn't he ?
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Post by baystokie on Jan 7, 2017 21:36:04 GMT
Yes. Poor first half, much better second. Bad result. This is how football is. Absolutely no evidence anywhere to suggest that the dressing room has "been lost". The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. By 'Get rid', I assume you mean that his replacement will be expected to energise the team, improve performances and instil better organisation? So you obviously have someone in mind who has these qualities - do tell?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 21:36:44 GMT
That's only happened because of injuries to Muniesa, Cameron, Johnson and/or Bardsley. How lucky is that? getting rid of huth and Wilson and not replacing them wasn't bad luck was it ? Muniesa was available for Liverpool wasn't he ? If we'd kept them all we'd be more than a tad top heavy with defenders. I can't answer about Muni v Liverpool but I expect he was injured.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 7, 2017 21:39:25 GMT
The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. But that doesn't suggest that he's lost the dressing room though does it? No but it's getting to that point.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 7, 2017 21:41:02 GMT
The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. By 'Get rid', I assume you mean that his replacement will be expected to energise the team, improve performances and instil better organisation? So you obviously have someone in mind who has these qualities - do tell? Get rid at the end of the season and I can assure that there will be a manager out there that can do a better job than Hughes is doing right now.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 7, 2017 22:23:47 GMT
The football over the last 12 months and bojan on his way out shows that Hughes has no idea what he's doing. Get rid. But that doesn't suggest that he's lost the dressing room though does it? Lost the dressing room, not lost the dressing room, yadda yadda. Results have been mostly poor for a year now. Something's up and something needs to change.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 7, 2017 22:39:59 GMT
That's only happened because of injuries to Muniesa, Cameron, Johnson and/or Bardsley. How lucky is that? getting rid of huth and Wilson and not replacing them wasn't bad luck was it ? Muniesa was available for Liverpool wasn't he ? I see Marc Wilson had a rare outing for Bournemouth today ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 7, 2017 23:29:33 GMT
There's only one logical reason not to sack Mark Hughes. There is literally no one out there to replace him with. Don't give me that Mancini nonsense. He wouldn't come here and the Coates' wouldn't want him.
Either Hughes finds a way out of this mess or we're fucked,
Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 23:31:43 GMT
Either Hughes finds a way out of this mess or we're fucked, or just stick a couple of big signs up, something like "Dressing room this way".
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Post by baystokie on Jan 8, 2017 0:51:04 GMT
By 'Get rid', I assume you mean that his replacement will be expected to energise the team, improve performances and instil better organisation? So you obviously have someone in mind who has these qualities - do tell? Get rid at the end of the season and I can assure that there will be a manager out there that can do a better job than Hughes is doing right now. Assure me then by naming one- unless you are saying that ANY manager could do a better job!
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Jan 8, 2017 5:18:12 GMT
I don't think he's lost the dressing room, I just think we had a team full of 'that' type of player. Too many Imbulas and Shaqiris, and no hard workers. If our first half team had a 2009 Rory Delap in place of Imbula, it would have been at least ten times better, which tells you a bit about the nature of the problem. I suspect that Hughes, in his transfer dealings, has taken for granted the players that he inherited like Whelan, Walters and even Cameron. He's signed skilful players with little to no application. That's fine in small doses, but when you have a team full of them, you get what we saw today. This was his team, and it was weak, lazy and shambolic. It sometimes feel as though they hold our supporters in contempt. What's the plan when we have the ball, apart from 'you're a talented bunch, go do something'? For the first time, I'm struggling to see what future Hughes has here. We need a massive overhaul. Like a lot of others I have lost some faith in LMH. Clearly he has bought some really skilful players but their application and consistency is plainly not good enough. The team is unbalanced and for too long - January 2016 onwards has started to play collectively quite poorly. Gone are the sumptuous performances v Man Utd and Man City - the bigger teams are able to score three and four against with comparative ease. instead we win a third of our home games ( and those against poor quality struggling opposing - be thankful for small mercies - without these six pointers our stay in Prem would be looking over. The question is how much does Coates now trust LMH with. TP Wasn't invested in - in his last transfer window will the same happen this January. The flair players need sorting out or to be replaced by quality players who understand the need to defend and graft - they are not playing regularly on merit which is the way it should be. The players need to take responsibility too 🤔
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 8, 2017 7:20:35 GMT
Naah, you don't sit 11th in the premier league with a manager who's lost the dressing room. Well maybe if you are Chelsea and spent 100's of millions. Mark Hughes has plenty of credit and respect at Stoke City. The majority of players also deserve more respect than these type of accusations. Three 9th place finishes and well positioned for another top 10 finish this season, on a budget of a bottom half team. One or two players sadly think they are bigger than club and obviously want out of Stoke City, not from Mark Hughes. A good transfer window and we'll be fine. If things don't click this transfer window, we'll still be fine with Mark Hughes in charge. Plenty of ups and downs with a club like Stoke City, trying to consistently punch above our weight, lucky we have a manager and chairman that can see the bigger picture. This, for me. Bye bye Imbula and Bojan for sure. Shaqiri not so sure. The team that kicked off 2nd half will do for me plus Cameron.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 8, 2017 7:44:55 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. Agree with that, except for Crouchy. I think we should persevere there - we have to, at the minute.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 8, 2017 7:47:37 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. Ah, a reaction? Good news if true.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 8, 2017 7:50:24 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. Agree with that, except for Crouchy. I think we should persevere there - we have to, at the minute. You can't play effective football or get the best out of the players we have by playing peter crouch. It is impossible. He simply isnt mobile enough nor is he good enough.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jan 8, 2017 8:00:12 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. But. Did he leave because he was subbed....or subbed because he'd left?? Don't think Imbula has the passion for the former. Equally, I don't think he has any sense of responsibility or motivation.
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