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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 17:30:41 GMT
Connecting the dots, love it. Behave.
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Post by stokeson on Jan 7, 2017 17:30:48 GMT
Yes lets get pulis ball back .he just battered Derby not.We came up against a goalie playing the match of his life today. Its the cup .get over it. We are stoke...
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 7, 2017 17:31:01 GMT
Hes not lost the whole dressing room but its clear as day that he has fallen out with Bojan/Shaqiri/Imbula
He picked all the flair players together for the first half as if to say - go on then lets see you fail.
I worry that he put that team out fully expecting a shit shower with zero backbone in the team. A midfield of Imbula/Affelay/Bojan is weak as piss.
Its about balance at the end of the day
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Post by crownmeking on Jan 7, 2017 17:31:58 GMT
I honestly do not think he has lost the dressing room, there were player working out there today. I agree, but there are 3 players that seem would be suited better elsewhere. They are supposedly flair players yet create fuck all, and allow the opposition to walk through us, Hughes has no trust in them over 30 million spent on them, if we can get 20 back, then grab it. Hughes tried to get our name out their with these signings, And the best one of all out of them was free. Affely I am angry with Imbula, his heart is not in it, watching him today, he just couldn't give a fuck, sad for Bojan, he had the opportunity to cement his place today and didn't do it, I'd keep with him, Shaq, i'd stick with, not a great game, but not awful.
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Post by stokierich on Jan 7, 2017 17:33:04 GMT
If he can't get the best out of the better players then he needs to go, confidence ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) is a massive thing in football and the likes of Bojan would of hit rock bottom today, could of subbed the enter team at half time.
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Post by richardparker on Jan 7, 2017 17:34:51 GMT
First time I've said it but he really has got to go hasn't he? Couldn't wait to get this one going, I bet!
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 7, 2017 17:36:21 GMT
It has to be said we looked more solid and had more direction in his very first games in charge than we do now. Four years in and we're an absolute shower.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 7, 2017 17:36:43 GMT
I don't know about losing the dressing room,but there are a few players who need taking somewhere,where they are lost and can't find their way back. ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif)
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Post by liathroid on Jan 7, 2017 17:37:48 GMT
next round ![](//storage.proboards.com/800541/thumbnailer/53knR7DwxoGFtVpi0ryx.jpg)
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jan 7, 2017 17:39:24 GMT
He hasn't lost the dressing room.
There's plenty of cause for concern though and this season it really feels like we've gone backwards under Hughes.
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Post by geoffscott on Jan 7, 2017 17:42:50 GMT
Naah, you don't sit 11th in the premier league with a manager who's lost the dressing room.
Well maybe if you are Chelsea and spent 100's of millions.
Mark Hughes has plenty of credit and respect at Stoke City.
The majority of players also deserve more respect than these type of accusations.
Three 9th place finishes and well positioned for another top 10 finish this season, on a budget of a bottom half team.
One or two players sadly think they are bigger than club and obviously want out of Stoke City, not from Mark Hughes.
A good transfer window and we'll be fine.
If things don't click this transfer window, we'll still be fine with Mark Hughes in charge.
Plenty of ups and downs with a club like Stoke City, trying to consistently punch above our weight, lucky we have a manager and chairman that can see the bigger picture.
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 7, 2017 17:46:29 GMT
Nah more like a handful of players who think they are better than they are and can't be arsed....step forward Shaqiri Imbula and sadly Bojan. Hughes has some serious shipping out and rebuilding to do in the summer At this stage I don't think that the rebuilding should be left to him Let's be honest tactically he is very poor, no real game plan, unable to do the correct substitutions, defence leaks goals like never before, the team lacks pace, very few real goal scoring chances are created Very poor in my opinion Managers are like players- there are excellent players, good ones, average players and others who don't make the grade Hughes is certainly not top of the class by any stretch of the imagination
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 7, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
I think he's lost half of the dressing room- the older heads will still play for him hence why they've been playing. I'd say he's lost Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri, Imbula
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Post by kronkie on Jan 7, 2017 17:46:54 GMT
Things are not right in the dressing room, look at Ryan's reaction on Tuesday after his goal, yes he was having a go at us fans buto he knows things aren't right all round the club.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 7, 2017 17:48:51 GMT
If he can't get the best out of the better players then he needs to go, conference if a massive thing in football and the likes of Bojan would of hit rock bottom today, could of subbed the enter team at half time. Fuck me, it's not that bad!
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 17:50:29 GMT
"He's lost the dressing room"
The most overused, lazy cliche in football.
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Post by malisastokie on Jan 7, 2017 17:51:05 GMT
I am not so sure he has lost the dressing room.
I think he has given a couple of players to many chances and they have left him posted.
He picked a side today that before the game this board was in raptures over and we lost.
He picked a side on Tuesday that before the game this board thought the side was diabolical and we won.
I just hope he sends a couple of the players to greener pastures and Coates sticks with him and invests in giving the squad some balance.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 7, 2017 17:51:26 GMT
I think he's lost half of the dressing room- the older heads will still play for him hence why they've been playing. I'd say he's lost Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri, Imbula I wouldn't say he has lost them,he can find 3 of them mostly sitting behind him. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by stonestokie76 on Jan 7, 2017 17:52:37 GMT
I don't think he's lost the dressing room, I just think we had a team full of 'that' type of player. Too many Imbulas and Shaqiris, and no hard workers. If our first half team had a 2009 Rory Delap in place of Imbula, it would have been at least ten times better, which tells you a bit about the nature of the problem. I suspect that Hughes, in his transfer dealings, has taken for granted the players that he inherited like Whelan, Walters and even Cameron. He's signed skilful players with little to no application. That's fine in small doses, but when you have a team full of them, you get what we saw today. This was his team, and it was weak, lazy and shambolic. It sometimes feel as though they hold our supporters in contempt. What's the plan when we have the ball, apart from 'you're a talented bunch, go do something'? For the first time, I'm struggling to see what future Hughes has here. We need a massive overhaul. Good summary. It all started with Imbula in my mind, up to that point things going great and we wanted to push on. We then spent 18Million (yes it's mental!) on this player which smashed our transfer record out of the water. This was the guy to kick us on and for that money there was big expectations!. Turns out he was a total turkey!! Not worth 4Million. From this point it all went south with more players being purchased for a position we had plenty of options for as Hughes was trying to right the mistake and we became massively imbalanced with no pace! Most of his signings have not worked (for whatever reason) and Sunderland will see the return of the core of the Pulis players. So where do we go?, we can never take prem for granted and sacking Hughes is probably not the answer (and the fact Coates will do no such thing!!!!). We need to cut our losses with big names that don't have any heart for it and inject some much needed pace. Whether that happens though is anyone's guess!! The reality is, outside of the top 6, all you have to play for is top half / mid table which is difficult and this breeds complacency because you have nothing to shout for but you want your team challenging, it becomes a bit boring (see Brit atmosphere last 3 seasons) and before you know it, it's gone!! With no chance of Coates sacking Hughes we need to get behind the team and hope we sort the transfer policy out!!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 7, 2017 17:56:19 GMT
Think he needs to reassert his authority, get rid of a couple out of Shaq, Imbula and Bojan.
This lost the dressing room gets on my tits.
You're a professional footballer, play and act like one or fuck off.
Imbula, Shaq and Bojan doing themselves no favours here or for their future careers either.
What manager wants players who look disinterested and unprofessional.
Hughes in (for another season at least)
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 7, 2017 17:57:48 GMT
Naah, you don't sit 11th in the premier league with a manager who's lost the dressing room. Well maybe if you are Chelsea and spent 100's of millions. Mark Hughes has plenty of credit and respect at Stoke City. The majority of players also deserve more respect than these type of accusations. Three 9th place finishes and well positioned for another top 10 finish this season, on a budget of a bottom half team. One or two players sadly think they are bigger than club and obviously want out of Stoke City, not from Mark Hughes. A good transfer window and we'll be fine. If things don't click this transfer window, we'll still be fine with Mark Hughes in charge. Plenty of ups and downs with a club like Stoke City, trying to consistently punch above our weight, lucky we have a manager and chairman that can see the bigger picture. Good Post and fortunately I think Mr Coates would agree with your assessment!
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 7, 2017 17:59:06 GMT
Nah more like a handful of players who think they are better than they are and can't be arsed....step forward Shaqiri Imbula and sadly Bojan. Hughes has some serious shipping out and rebuilding to do in the summer Hughes has been responsible for buying what is becoming an increasingly dysfunctional squad, in my opinion. This begs the question, is he in fact capable of rebuilding anything? I have my serious doubts and I imagine Coates must be starting to think similarly. His transfer acquisitions are perplexing and have left major problems in the squad and 1st team. Not good enough!!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 7, 2017 18:00:40 GMT
Nah more like a handful of players who think they are better than they are and can't be arsed....step forward Shaqiri Imbula and sadly Bojan. Hughes has some serious shipping out and rebuilding to do in the summer Spot on !...Get these over hyped tossers out my club.I've seen enough.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 7, 2017 18:01:58 GMT
I don't think he's lost the dressing room, you only have to listen to the (excellent) interview with Bruno Martins Indi to realise that.
I think Hughes has had a bit of a mare with his recruitment policy over the last few windows and now the chickens are well and truly coming home to roost.
A complete lack of pace brought in, too many players who play in the same position, a huge heap of (luxury) dogs home players and just a general apparent lack of a discernible plan on what he was trying to achieve with his purchases.
Don't think he should go mind but he really, really needs to snap himself into some sort of focus very quickly and realise that a huge amount of this malaise really is on his shoulders.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 7, 2017 18:18:34 GMT
Would be really stupid sacking him now. We have some major issues that need addressing but people must have short memories. Compare where we are now to where we were after the defeats against West Ham and Villa in TP's final season. We are far away from that at the moment.
I'm not sure on what basis you are claiming he has lost the dressing room? We were dire in the first half but probably deserved to score at least three or four in the second.
We are clear of the relegation places having just navigated a tough run of fixtures, with consecutive away games against the two best sides in the league.
Some people are saying our season is over? That is completely ridiculous given we have half the league games left to play. From our current position we are still capable of finishing top eight, which would be a solid achievement. There are plenty other teams in the Prem who are under-achieving more than us right now.
I'm pissed off with how things are going but people on here need to get a grip.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jan 7, 2017 18:19:14 GMT
Sadly Bojan looks finished at this level and should be allowed to go. Can't think who would want Shaquiri, he failed at Bayern and Inter and now he's failing at Stoke may be the Chinese might take him. Imbula should never kick a ball for this club again.
So where does this leave Sparky? He is looking tactically inept as his midfield selection showed today when Wolves drove through it with ease. Not sure it's time for him to go but he is running his credit down at an alarming rate. Particularly when you think our performances at home during the last 12 months have been dire. It's a big few months for him and I'm not sure he will come through.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 18:20:06 GMT
Naah, you don't sit 11th in the premier league with a manager who's lost the dressing room. Well maybe if you are Chelsea and spent 100's of millions. Mark Hughes has plenty of credit and respect at Stoke City. The majority of players also deserve more respect than these type of accusations. Three 9th place finishes and well positioned for another top 10 finish this season, on a budget of a bottom half team. One or two players sadly think they are bigger than club and obviously want out of Stoke City, not from Mark Hughes. A good transfer window and we'll be fine. If things don't click this transfer window, we'll still be fine with Mark Hughes in charge. Plenty of ups and downs with a club like Stoke City, trying to consistently punch above our weight, lucky we have a manager and chairman that can see the bigger picture. Common sense at last! I was about to post something similar but you've worded it perfectly!
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Post by wuzza on Jan 7, 2017 18:25:21 GMT
Would be really stupid sacking him now. We have some major issues that need addressing but people must have short memories. Compare where we are now to where we were after the defeats against West Ham and Villa in TP's final season. We are far away from that at the moment. I'm not sure on what basis you are claiming he has lost the dressing room? We were dire in the first half but probably deserved to score at least three or four in the second. We are clear of the relegation places having just navigated a tough run of fixtures, with consecutive away games against the two best sides in the league. Some people are saying our season is over? That is completely ridiculous given we have half the league games left to play. From our current position we are still capable of finishing top eight, which would be a solid achievement. There are plenty other teams in the Prem who are under-achieving more than us right now. I'm pissed off with how things are going but people on here need to get a grip. I would agree with most of that but I think our league position is quite flattering in relation to the standard of our performances which is worrying. Our season isn't over but more likely because we have a lot to do to ensure we don't get dragged downwards rather than any movement upwards. Also today's initial team selection just seemed ridiculous to me - I'm not sure what he was trying to do or prove.
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Post by philm87 on Jan 7, 2017 18:29:21 GMT
Would be really stupid sacking him now. We have some major issues that need addressing but people must have short memories. Compare where we are now to where we were after the defeats against West Ham and Villa in TP's final season. We are far away from that at the moment. I'm not sure on what basis you are claiming he has lost the dressing room? We were dire in the first half but probably deserved to score at least three or four in the second. We are clear of the relegation places having just navigated a tough run of fixtures, with consecutive away games against the two best sides in the league. Some people are saying our season is over? That is completely ridiculous given we have half the league games left to play. From our current position we are still capable of finishing top eight, which would be a solid achievement. There are plenty other teams in the Prem who are under-achieving more than us right now. I'm pissed off with how things are going but people on here need to get a grip. I would agree with most of that but I think our league position is quite flattering in relation to the standard of our performances which is worrying. Our season isn't over but more likely because we have a lot to do to ensure we don't get dragged downwards rather than any movement upwards. Also today's initial team selection just seemed ridiculous to me - I'm not sure what he was trying to do or prove. The reason our league position appears flattering is because there are at least 6-7 teams who have consistently performed much worse than us. That is food for thought surely? We keep moaning about how poor we are but it is not hard to pick other teams that are performing worse. As for team selection I think perhaps he under-estimate our opponents and so picked a side that lacked balance and did not have enough players capable of defending in midfield. I don't think he was completely off though. I would simply have picked Whelan to give us more protection through the middle. Other than that there weren't a lot of options.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 7, 2017 18:40:07 GMT
I would agree with most of that but I think our league position is quite flattering in relation to the standard of our performances which is worrying. Our season isn't over but more likely because we have a lot to do to ensure we don't get dragged downwards rather than any movement upwards. Also today's initial team selection just seemed ridiculous to me - I'm not sure what he was trying to do or prove. The reason our league position appears flattering is because there are at least 6-7 teams who have consistently performed much worse than us. That is food for thought surely? We keep moaning about how poor we are but it is not hard to pick other teams that are performing worse. As for team selection I think perhaps he under-estimate our opponents and so picked a side that lacked balance and did not have enough players capable of defending in midfield. I don't think he was completely off though. I would simply have picked Whelan to give us more protection through the middle. Other than that there weren't a lot of options. The fact that there appears to be teams worse than us isn't any real credit to Hughes though is it - his team is now worse than it was and is showing no signs of improving. He's done well to whittle out the points he has but generally it's not been a job well done for a considerable time now. The decisions of 12 to 18 months ago appear to be coming back to bite us. Be nice at some point if someone would do an in depth interview with him to find out what the master plan is because it's been a real feeling of making it up as we go along for a long time now.
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