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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 7, 2017 18:40:31 GMT
I don't think he's lost the dressing room, you only have to listen to the (excellent) interview with Bruno Martins Indi to realise that.
I think Hughes has had a bit of a mare with his recruitment policy over the last few windows and now the chickens are well and truly coming home to roost.
A complete lack of pace brought in, too many players who play in the same position, a huge heap of (luxury) dogs home players and just a general apparent lack of a discernible plan on what he was trying to achieve with his purchases.
Don't think he should go mind but he really, really needs to snap himself into some sort of focus very quickly and realise that a huge amount of this malaise really is on his shoulders.
Given the lack of direction in his deals to date (I think your summary is spot on, by the way), do you really want to give him the money to sign the proper defenders, defensive midfielders and wingers that we need to address the problems in the team? Would you sanction another big money foreign signing? I'm hoping against hope that he returns to buying the sort of solid players that he bought at Blackburn, but I think that that Hughes might have gone. The alternative of bringing in a new man and telling him to try and get a tune out of Bojan, Imbula and Shaqiri is fairly appealing. If he can, then we're better off. If not, he'll be more able to cut them loose in the summer, if anybody will take them. We could also go for the approach used when Pulis was on his way, where none of the manager's choices were signed and we brought in players for the future. Then we could spend six months begging Sean Dyche to come while limping over the line with Hughes.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 7, 2017 18:42:37 GMT
Naah, you don't sit 11th in the premier league with a manager who's lost the dressing room. Well maybe if you are Chelsea and spent 100's of millions. Mark Hughes has plenty of credit and respect at Stoke City. The majority of players also deserve more respect than these type of accusations. Three 9th place finishes and well positioned for another top 10 finish this season, on a budget of a bottom half team. One or two players sadly think they are bigger than club and obviously want out of Stoke City, not from Mark Hughes. A good transfer window and we'll be fine. If things don't click this transfer window, we'll still be fine with Mark Hughes in charge. Plenty of ups and downs with a club like Stoke City, trying to consistently punch above our weight, lucky we have a manager and chairman that can see the bigger picture. Common sense at last! I was about to post something similar but you've worded it perfectly! Ahh the old "we should keep him because he used to be good" argument
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 18:44:04 GMT
Common sense at last! I was about to post something similar but you've worded it perfectly! Ahh the old "we should keep him because he used to be good" argument Logic and common sense. Appreciating the bigger picture. That sort of argument! *winkyface*
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2017 18:44:52 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying.
Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably.
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Post by stokie1 on Jan 7, 2017 18:45:17 GMT
He's lost some of the dressing room and they need fucking off. You saw today why he chose the team he did on Tuesday. ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/3fpOQXhXVXuSM73B6hK4.gif) He bought the fuckers, though? He's falling back on Pulis signings to bail him out! I couldn't fucking stand Pulis, but maybe he could spot strong characters better than Hughesy? Maybe? ???
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 7, 2017 18:47:01 GMT
I would agree with most of that but I think our league position is quite flattering in relation to the standard of our performances which is worrying. Our season isn't over but more likely because we have a lot to do to ensure we don't get dragged downwards rather than any movement upwards. Also today's initial team selection just seemed ridiculous to me - I'm not sure what he was trying to do or prove. The reason our league position appears flattering is because there are at least 6-7 teams who have consistently performed much worse than us. That is food for thought surely? We keep moaning about how poor we are but it is not hard to pick other teams that are performing worse. As for team selection I think perhaps he under-estimate our opponents and so picked a side that lacked balance and did not have enough players capable of defending in midfield. I don't think he was completely off though. I would simply have picked Whelan to give us more protection through the middle. Other than that there weren't a lot of options. We've taken just three points from the current top ten teams this season. That's very worrying for me.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 7, 2017 18:47:40 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. It's just a lazy cliche spouted by people who have nothing better to say. There's no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Completely agree with everything you said there!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 7, 2017 18:48:21 GMT
When he's saying...
... Summat inna rate.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jan 7, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2017 18:52:05 GMT
When he's saying... ... Summat inna rate. The only thing that "Inna rate" is that both of them are a pair of charlatans and both are rubbish!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 7, 2017 18:52:51 GMT
I don't think he's lost the dressing room, you only have to listen to the (excellent) interview with Bruno Martins Indi to realise that.
I think Hughes has had a bit of a mare with his recruitment policy over the last few windows and now the chickens are well and truly coming home to roost.
A complete lack of pace brought in, too many players who play in the same position, a huge heap of (luxury) dogs home players and just a general apparent lack of a discernible plan on what he was trying to achieve with his purchases.
Don't think he should go mind but he really, really needs to snap himself into some sort of focus very quickly and realise that a huge amount of this malaise really is on his shoulders.
Given the lack of direction in his deals to date (I think your summary is spot on, by the way), do you really want to give him the money to sign the proper defenders, defensive midfielders and wingers that we need to address the problems in the team? Would you sanction another big money foreign signing? I'm hoping against hope that he returns to buying the sort of solid players that he bought at Blackburn, but I think that that Hughes might have gone. The alternative of bringing in a new man and telling him to try and get a tune out of Bojan, Imbula and Shaqiri is fairly appealing. If he can, then we're better off. If not, he'll be more able to cut them loose in the summer, if anybody will take them. We could also go for the approach used when Pulis was on his way, where none of the manager's choices were signed and we brought in players for the future. Then we could spend six months begging Sean Dyche to come while limping over the line with Hughes.
There's a lot of good questions there.
However I can't give you a very good answer.
Really in order to do so, it would mean (if I was the chairman) having to sit down with Hughes one to one, express my specific concerns about his recent recruitment policy and see how he responds. If he convinces me that he can turn it around, then I back him, if he doesn't, then well, ultimately there is only one eventuality isn't there? I might not tell him straight away but would probably try and keep him on board for the time being by appearing to back him temporarily, whilst lining up a replacement for him in the summer.
As a supporter looking in from the outside and with not much to go on, I've got to cling to the hope that he can see the errors he's made and turn it around, even if that means giving him more money to spend.
I don't want Dyche.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 18:54:08 GMT
When he's saying... ... Summat inna rate. If he's got only half a brain, he will realise he's dropped a king-sized bollock with Imbula.
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Post by chell_rosey on Jan 7, 2017 18:55:48 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. Good. Imbula doesn't have the speed of thought or the desire to be successful in this league.
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Post by liamo on Jan 7, 2017 18:56:43 GMT
When he's saying... ... Summat inna rate. If he's got only half a brain, he will realise he's dropped a king-sized bollock with Imbula. If you'd spent £300 of your bosses money on a printer that only has Chinese controls you learn Chinese, you don't ask for more money ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 18:58:34 GMT
I said earlier in the season he should go but in fact I think we should just wait until a good manager from elsewhere becomes available.
I don't think Hughes is a bad manager but he doesn't know how to build his own team, his signings have largely been crap and on the coaching side it is difficult to explain why most players who come to us don't seem to improve, and most of them regress.
But again, he will keep us up and that is the main thing, it is coming up to the time to inject some fresh blood, sweep away the complacency, and overhaul the playing staff to inject a bit of pace, hunger, determination.....something to get the fans back behind the team. The problem for Hughes is that the January window is not a good time to do it and he totally fucked up the summer window
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 7, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
Ahh the old "we should keep him because he used to be good" argument Logic and common sense. Appreciating the bigger picture. That sort of argument! *winkyface* The logic is, we have been fucking toss for 12 months now and there are no signs whatsoever that it is going to improve any time soon. That first half today was pathetic, we dont fight for balls, we dont attack with any sort of purpose, too many players who are happier diving and throwing their arms around than getting stuck in and winning the ball back when they have lost it. The only players that came out today with a slice of credit were Allen and Affelay. Think about it for a minute, the ONLY striker in the club that was available today was Crouch, no LB cover, only Muni as CB cover and 5 CM's His signings have been poor and ineffective, Shaqiri was abysmal today, the amount of balls he played behind our players was shocking, Johnson was poor, Imbula was poor, Bojan was poor, Shawcross was poor, Pieters was poor, Crouch was as useful as a wet fart again infront of goal, Arnie tried but was poor. Then in his usual "it's not my fault we played well for large parts blah blah blah" post match interview, he has the fucking nerve to say "you need luck in the cup and we never had any today" WE LOST AGAINST THE RESERVE SIDE OF A STRUGGLING CHAMPIONSHIP CLUB YOU CONDESCENDING TWAT!!!!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 7, 2017 19:00:47 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. Hopefully for good... seriously I can't understand how anyone can blame Hughes for the completely inept recent performances of Imbula. He has given the lad an opportunity and he hasn't taken it, he can either work his nuts off in training and force his way back into the team or else just go but can't see any argument for Imbula starting on current form.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 7, 2017 19:00:49 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. Not quite sure how you reached the conclusion that playing utter shit is handing "in a 45 minute transfer request"...unless he's desperate to be playing for Shrewsbury? If that's the case, then he's been handing in transfer requests for about the past year! If any of the big clubs he's hoping for have been watching him, they'd have crossed him off their list straightaway and it's (unfortunately) been like that with Bojan for a long time now.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Jan 7, 2017 19:01:42 GMT
That's what it looks like to me sadly. I'd stick with, survive and stay up, but get looking for a replacement sharpish.
Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 7, 2017 19:01:55 GMT
Given the lack of direction in his deals to date (I think your summary is spot on, by the way), do you really want to give him the money to sign the proper defenders, defensive midfielders and wingers that we need to address the problems in the team? Would you sanction another big money foreign signing? I'm hoping against hope that he returns to buying the sort of solid players that he bought at Blackburn, but I think that that Hughes might have gone. The alternative of bringing in a new man and telling him to try and get a tune out of Bojan, Imbula and Shaqiri is fairly appealing. If he can, then we're better off. If not, he'll be more able to cut them loose in the summer, if anybody will take them. We could also go for the approach used when Pulis was on his way, where none of the manager's choices were signed and we brought in players for the future. Then we could spend six months begging Sean Dyche to come while limping over the line with Hughes.
There's a lot of good questions there.
However I can't give you a very good answer.
Really in order to do so, it would mean (if I was the chairman) having to sit down with Hughes one to one, express my specific concerns about his recent recruitment policy and see how he responds. If he convinces me that he can turn it around, then I back him, if he doesn't, then well, ultimately there is only one eventuality isn't there? I might not tell him straight away but would probably try and keep him on board for the time being by appearing to back him temporarily, whilst lining up a replacement for him in the summer.
As a supporter looking in from the outside and with not much to go on, I've got to cling to the hope that he can see the errors he's made and turn it around, even if that means giving him more money to spend.
I don't want Dyche.
That's all true, fair enough.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jan 7, 2017 19:04:11 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. Good. Imbula doesn't have the speed of thought or the desire to be successful in this league. Disagree to be honest.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jan 7, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. It's just a lazy cliche spouted by people who have nothing better to say. There's no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. Completely agree with everything you said there! Didn't see the game today then mate ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 7, 2017 19:06:30 GMT
I said earlier in the season he should go but in fact I think we should just wait until a good manager from elsewhere becomes available. I don't think Hughes is a bad manager but he doesn't know how to build his own team, his signings have largely been crap and on the coaching side it is difficult to explain why most players who come to us don't seem to improve, and most of them regress. But again, he will keep us up and that is the main thing, it is coming up to the time to inject some fresh blood, sweep away the complacency, and overhaul the playing staff to inject a bit of pace, hunger, determination.....something to get the fans back behind the team. The problem for Hughes is that the January window is not a good time to do it and he totally fucked up the summer window Have to disagree with you here. When Imbula played well last year I don't recollect too many on here extolling Hughes coaching and the ability to get Imbula playing so well, so when the player looks disinterested and piss poor it's a bit disingenuous to blame Hughes. Imbula is a highly paid professional footballer
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 7, 2017 19:12:28 GMT
One of the bouncers from the tunnel told us just after half time there was a bit of a dressing room bust up. Imbula packed up and left. But. Did he leave because he was subbed....or subbed because he'd left??
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 7, 2017 19:16:26 GMT
Not quite sure how you reach that conclusion to be honest. Bojan handed in a 45 minute transfer request, imbula played exactly the same way he's done since he signed for us and for once I'll defend Shaq...he played poorly but he wasn't not trying. Bojan and imbula won't play for us again and regardless of how much anyone chooses to moan, were it not for the carthorse we had up front, we'd have won the game reasonably comfortably. Not quite sure how you reached the conclusion that playing utter shit is handing "in a 45 minute transfer request"...unless he's desperate to be playing for Shrewsbury? If that's the case, then he's been handing in transfer requests for about the past year! If any of the big clubs he's hoping for have been watching him, they'd have crossed him off their list straightaway and it's (unfortunately) been like that with Bojan for a long time now. He proved what a,selfish little cuntrag he really is. If he wants more game time earn it. He thinks he's a divine right to play because he used to play for Barcelona and he proved today that he doesn't want to play for us. Hughes was right to take him off. He's lucky he made it to half time
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 19:27:36 GMT
If any one thinks today was any good go up the vile / vale 36 years watching of stoke when we were a poor side you didn't expect us to win .. We now have the most expensive team in my life time & it's wank change the management team now. .
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 7, 2017 19:32:43 GMT
Not quite sure how you reached the conclusion that playing utter shit is handing "in a 45 minute transfer request"...unless he's desperate to be playing for Shrewsbury? If that's the case, then he's been handing in transfer requests for about the past year! If any of the big clubs he's hoping for have been watching him, they'd have crossed him off their list straightaway and it's (unfortunately) been like that with Bojan for a long time now. He proved what a,selfish little cuntrag he really is. If he wants more game time earn it. He thinks he's a divine right to play because he used to play for Barcelona and he proved today that he doesn't want to play for us. Hughes was right to take him off. He's lucky he made it to half time Completely agree Dave, i just don't think that's the way to go about courting new clubs. Who'd want him? I'm getting to the point where the sparkly Barca legacy and the "Name" novelty has worn off. He could donwith going down a level to harden him up a bit, wise him up a bit and learn (as you rightly say) you have to work bloody hard to earn your place anywhere in the Prem.
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Post by spongebobflathead on Jan 7, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
I genuinely believe sparky has been a lucky manager , we have been a couple of injuries at the back away from catastrophe , and it's been like that for a season and a half!
For that alone his transfer history is questionable , but that aside and taking everything into account , yes he should be sacked now !
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Post by richardparker on Jan 7, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
Couldn't wait to get this one going, I bet! Fuck off. Look at the Hughes Out thread, it's not me. He"s lost them though. They're gone. Bit touchy eh!? Not to mention a tad aggressive. Touched a nerve then, obviously.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 7, 2017 19:40:35 GMT
If any one thinks today was any good go up the vile / vale 36 years watching of stoke when we were a poor side you didn't expect us to win .. We now have the most expensive team in my life time & it's wank change the management team now. . Do we? We used to sign goalkeepers for world record fees. It's all relative.
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