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Post by Kilo on Mar 11, 2015 21:05:54 GMT
Wow! David Duckenfield has really opened a can of worms now. 26 years the Scousers have been baying for blood and claiming the Police were lying - Now he's finally admitted it I'd suggest he moves very far away because they're not gonna let it lie now! Old Duckers & his Porkie Pies |
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 11, 2015 21:16:52 GMT
Cover up from day one, surprised he's been so honest the hole thing stinks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 21:26:50 GMT
Wow! David Duckenfield has really opened a can of worms now. 26 years the Scousers have been baying for blood and claiming the Police were lying - Now he's finally admitted it I'd suggest he moves very far away because they're not gonna let it lie now! Old Duckers & his Porkie PiesIt's a can of worms in more ways than one. This is the Police we're talking about here (supposedly above the law in every which way), and if you are looking at it from a naive angle, I find the lies that were told to be completely incomprehensible. Where do you even start with it? Poor, poor families that have had to put up with so much over the years. Just imagine the anger that this is causing. It will be worse than the original hurt they felt and all of the years since combined. They must be totally inconsolable right now. |
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2015 21:30:16 GMT
He's only really confirming what everyone already knew though surely ??
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Post by slicker on Mar 11, 2015 21:32:45 GMT
has he now opened himself up to be facing manslaughter charges?
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 11, 2015 21:42:19 GMT
I suspect he panicked at the time realizing he had made the wrong decision so lied about it not expecting the consequences that followed. Once he had lied he couldn't retract and things took a turn for the worst outcome so he added lies to lies. Totally despicable to attempt to shift the blame and whilst he would have been rightly blamed at the time it would have been more honourable, to have continued the lie for all these years is truly disgusting.
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 11, 2015 21:47:57 GMT
Scape goat springs to mine.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2015 21:48:13 GMT
I suspect he panicked at the time realizing he had made the wrong decision so lied about it not expecting the consequences that followed. Once he had lied he couldn't retract and things took a turn for the worst outcome so he added lies to lies. Totally despicable to attempt to shift the blame and whilst he would have been rightly blamed at the time it would have been more honourable, to have continued the lie for all these years is truly disgusting. His biggest mistake was not closing off the entrance to the middle pens. By all accounts, it was bedlam outside by the turnstiles, and given the panic and advice from officers on horseback in the middle of it all, it was understandable that the gate was opened. Unforgivable to then say the fans had kicked the gate through though. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 11, 2015 21:49:40 GMT
I suspect he panicked at the time realizing he had made the wrong decision so lied about it not expecting the consequences that followed. Once he had lied he couldn't retract and things took a turn for the worst outcome so he added lies to lies. Totally despicable to attempt to shift the blame and whilst he would have been rightly blamed at the time it would have been more honourable, to have continued the lie for all these years is truly disgusting. This. Only question now is what comeback is there to him. He should be in jail. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 11, 2015 22:01:41 GMT
I suspect he panicked at the time realizing he had made the wrong decision so lied about it not expecting the consequences that followed. Once he had lied he couldn't retract and things took a turn for the worst outcome so he added lies to lies. Totally despicable to attempt to shift the blame and whilst he would have been rightly blamed at the time it would have been more honourable, to have continued the lie for all these years is truly disgusting. His biggest mistake was not closing off the entrance to the middle pens. By all accounts, it was bedlam outside by the turnstiles, and given the panic and advice from officers on horseback in the middle of it all, it was understandable that the gate was opened. Unforgivable to then say the fans had kicked the gate through though. The biggest mistake was putting Duckenfield in charge of the game in the first place and he admitted as much in his testimony yesterday. He'd never handled a big football match before and was completely inexperienced for the task in hand. The semi final had taken place at exactly the same stadium, with the two exact same clubs and their fans were at the same ends of the stadium, the year previously. The major difference on the day of the tragedy was how the game was policed ... The year before, barriers had been used in a police cordon to control the flow of supporters into the area outside of the Leppings Lane turnstiles, thus ensuring a crush didn't build up and when the central pens on the terrace became full, the police closed off access to them and directed incoming supporters to the emptier pens at the sides. Neither of these things happened under Duckenfield's watch. The police commander in charge the year before knew the stadium well and had overseen several semi finals previously. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 11, 2015 22:04:44 GMT
The Police lied? Blow me down, I expect some regular posters will be on with their heartfelt apologies, shortly ?
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Post by discokaraoke on Mar 11, 2015 22:05:08 GMT
has he now opened himself up to be facing manslaughter charges? Very good point, and i think it should. |
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Post by discokaraoke on Mar 11, 2015 22:05:23 GMT
has he now opened himself up to be facing manslaughter charges? Very good point, and i think it should. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 11, 2015 22:21:21 GMT
Police???? Fucking disgrace. just think if those scousers hadn't pursued this.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 11, 2015 22:26:43 GMT
If the reported quote of his apology is correct it is very strange. He is reported to have said that "it's arguably one of the biggest regrets of my life that I did not forsee where the fans would go when they came in through the gates"
What other regrets does he have that is the equivalent to the one that led to the death of 96 people?
We all make mistakes, happily very few will experience mistakes that have such dire consequences. It isn't making the mistake that is so appalling it is covering it up for 20 odd years.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 11, 2015 22:29:22 GMT
Scape goat springs to mine. Hopefully not. The inquest has heard already about other contributing factors ......over selling of tickets, appalling ground conditions and the effect of fencing. Besides the coroners job isn't to apportion blame, only to establish facts of who died, how they died and when. The question of why they died is for criminal court if if goes that far. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 11, 2015 22:38:32 GMT
has he now opened himself up to be facing manslaughter charges? Very good point, and i think it should. And perjury. |
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Post by Kilo on Mar 11, 2015 22:39:09 GMT
Presumably if the British justice system don't prosecute him now, then somebody from Liverpool will instigate a private prosecution and he can hardly say something different in a criminal case now - what an utter scumbag.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 11, 2015 22:46:17 GMT
The problem here is that there were many many factors coming into play that culminated in a perfect storm of deadly circumstance. There is no individual solely to blame and although I completely understand the desire to push this to an ultimate conclusion it would be plain wrong to helpmate blame for these deaths on a single individual.
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Post by onionman on Mar 11, 2015 22:48:05 GMT
If the reported quote of his apology is correct it is very strange. He is reported to have said that "it's arguably one of the biggest regrets of my life that I did not forsee where the fans would go when they came in through the gates" What other regrets does he have that is the equivalent to the one that led to the death of 96 people? We all make mistakes, happily very few will experience mistakes that have such dire consequences. It isn't making the mistake that is so appalling it is covering it up for 20 odd years. He doesn't seem sure does he. Asked if he had fulfilled his role as match commander properly and professionally, he replied "Possibly not" |
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 11, 2015 22:48:56 GMT
Coppers Eh???? Covered themselves in glory not only by getting it wrong but by lying about it too
How many more useless bastards are there?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2015 22:50:54 GMT
If the reported quote of his apology is correct it is very strange. He is reported to have said that "it's arguably one of the biggest regrets of my life that I did not forsee where the fans would go when they came in through the gates" What other regrets does he have that is the equivalent to the one that led to the death of 96 people? We all make mistakes, happily very few will experience mistakes that have such dire consequences. It isn't making the mistake that is so appalling it is covering it up for 20 odd years. He doesn't seem sure does he. Asked if he had fulfilled his role as match commander properly and professionally, he replied "Possibly not" Possibly the understatement of the millennium from Duckenfield |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 11, 2015 22:52:49 GMT
The problem here is that there were many many factors coming into play that culminated in a perfect storm of deadly circumstance. There is no individual solely to blame and although I completely understand the desire to push this to an ultimate conclusion it would be plain wrong to helpmate blame for these deaths on a single individual. Are we not a step closer to establishing an institutional cover up? |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 11, 2015 23:09:00 GMT
Scape goat springs to mine. Hopefully not. The inquest has heard already about other contributing factors ......over selling of tickets, appalling ground conditions and the effect of fencing. Besides the coroners job isn't to apportion blame, only to establish facts of who died, how they died and when. The question of why they died is for criminal court if if goes that far. I know mate but he is more or less taking it on the chin now and it would be so easy to apportion most of the blame on him. |
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Post by discokaraoke on Mar 11, 2015 23:18:58 GMT
Very good point, and i think it should. And perjury. Yea that to, but we all know that a deal has already been done and he will get off with both  |
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 11, 2015 23:22:39 GMT
I think we can all understand mistakes but it is the lying and cover up shit that makes this episode toxic
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Post by RAF on Mar 11, 2015 23:22:45 GMT
The Police lied? Blow me down, I expect some regular posters will be on with their heartfelt apologies, shortly ? Has anyone on here actually said the police didn't lie? H |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 11, 2015 23:29:26 GMT
He effectively admitted to lying 26 years ago, when he amended his statement after being caught out. If it hadn't been for CCTV, stewards and other more honest policeman contradicting his story, he'd have almost certainly stood by his statement. All he's admitted today, is that he's a corrupt bent copper who wasn't fit to do his job... Oh and that he's a coward, incapable of being honest until under oath.
Duckenfield has exploited legal loopholes for years since that day to avoid any kind of punishment. He's enjoyed a lucrative full police pension for 25 years, by exploiting such loopholes. The man is a menace, a villain and someone devoid of the integrity required to be a good policeman.
People like David Duckenfield deserve to be in jail. Hopefully justice will be served in that respect.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 12, 2015 6:24:32 GMT
In the aftermath of the tragedy Duckenfield would have known about the many shortcomings that came together on that day to cause it. In the clamour to apportion blame, If he had admitted his errors he knew he would have been made the scapegoat for all the other authorities and would have been hung out to dry. During this inquest the jury have heard all the contributing factors and a clearer and more open picture of all the events prior to and after the tragedy has emerged. David Duckenfield has therefore decided that it is now time to admit to his mistakes and apologise to the families. He knows he will possibly get his come uppance in a future criminal court, but so will others who tried to cover up their mistakes. I don't condone his actions on the day of and since the tragedy. But I don't blame him for how he has conducted himself to avoid being made a scapegoat.
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Post by draytondave on Mar 12, 2015 6:25:43 GMT
The Police lied? Blow me down, I expect some regular posters will be on with their heartfelt apologies, shortly ? Has anyone on here actually said the police didn't lie? H This! And people will use this latest news to try and strengthen their argument that the fans had nothing to do with events if that day. Duckenfield is scum but the hands of many liverpool fans are still dirty to this day. |
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