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Post by bertieb on Mar 12, 2015 6:49:17 GMT
Tell the truth and it becomes your past
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 12, 2015 7:02:45 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2015 8:27:00 GMT
Has anyone on here actually said the police didn't lie? H This! And people will use this latest news to try and strengthen their argument that the fans had nothing to do with events if that day. Duckenfield is scum but the hands of many liverpool fans are still dirty to this day. Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2015 8:38:04 GMT
This! And people will use this latest news to try and strengthen their argument that the fans had nothing to do with events if that day. Duckenfield is scum but the hands of many liverpool fans are still dirty to this day. Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. Take a bow mate No matter what evidence is put before many on here they refuse to see it That's the reason I'm staying out of this thread |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 12, 2015 10:21:16 GMT
The problem here is that there were many many factors coming into play that culminated in a perfect storm of deadly circumstance. There is no individual solely to blame and although I completely understand the desire to push this to an ultimate conclusion it would be plain wrong to helpmate blame for these deaths on a single individual. Are we not a step closer to establishing an institutional cover up? Quite possibly but to me culpability for what happened on the day and the cover-up, smearing of fans & general misrepresentation that followed are separate issues - the latter worse than the former IMHO as no-one would have wanted this to happen or handled it the way they did on the day with hindsight. Hopefully this inquest will draw out everything that was wrong and not just focus on an incompetent individual's actions on the day as the sole reason it came about. Indeed, punishments and/or consequences should be more severe for proven liars, those who sought to pevert, obfuscate or otherwise misrepresent what went on in the aftermath. |
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 12, 2015 10:24:04 GMT
All the fans and families will be dead and gone before they are fully compensated, duckenfield is a liar and a murderer and should go down for life
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 12, 2015 10:32:33 GMT
Are we not a step closer to establishing an institutional cover up? Quite possibly but to me culpability for what happened on the day and the cover-up, smearing of fans & general misrepresentation that followed are separate issues - the latter worse than the former IMHO as no-one would have wanted this to happen or handled it the way they did on the day with hindsight. Hopefully this inquest will draw out everything that was wrong and not just focus on an incompetent individual's actions on the day as the sole reason it came about. Indeed, punishments and/or consequences should be more severe for proven liars, those who sought to pevert, obfuscate or otherwise misrepresent what went on in the aftermath. Agree With most of your comments Bob. Unfortunately there are some on here who want to blame the police, All the police and nothing but the police. And, unfortunately, no matter what other evidence is placed before them, they refuse to see it. As I stated in an earlier post, whilst not condoning Duckenfields lies and attempted cover up, I don't blame him for what he did to prevent being presented as a scapegoat on the day when other people incompetency would have been brushed under the carpet and the real truth would never be coming out now at the new inquest. IMO Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen and the actions of the police lit the fuse. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 12, 2015 10:45:50 GMT
So will/can the police look into this now and and take retrospective disciplinary action, perhaps take his pension away? Or is incompetence not a crime (rhetorical question)? I'm sure Mr Duckenfield has looked into his options before this confession!
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Post by metalhead on Mar 12, 2015 10:55:06 GMT
Quite possibly but to me culpability for what happened on the day and the cover-up, smearing of fans & general misrepresentation that followed are separate issues - the latter worse than the former IMHO as no-one would have wanted this to happen or handled it the way they did on the day with hindsight. Hopefully this inquest will draw out everything that was wrong and not just focus on an incompetent individual's actions on the day as the sole reason it came about. Indeed, punishments and/or consequences should be more severe for proven liars, those who sought to pevert, obfuscate or otherwise misrepresent what went on in the aftermath. Agree With most of your comments Bob. Unfortunately there are some on here who want to blame the police, All the police and nothing but the police. And, unfortunately, no matter what other evidence is placed before them, they refuse to see it. As I stated in an earlier post, whilst not condoning Duckenfields lies and attempted cover up, I don't blame him for what he did to prevent being presented as a scapegoat on the day when other people incompetency would have been brushed under the carpet and the real truth would never be coming out now at the new inquest. IMO Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen and the actions of the police lit the fuse. The police may have not been fully to blame for the physical tragedy, but they are solely to blame for the cover up, the smear campaign, and the denial of truth for 25+ fucking years afterwards mate. The police are there to protect the public, not harm the innocent. Releasing statements about Liverpool fans pick-pocketing the dead, urinating on the coppers trying to give the kiss of life (which turned out to be false) and referring to the dead as 'drunk animals' is absolutely despicable. The police aren't just there to keep the peace, they are there to separate right from wrong. To uphold the laws of the land, to provide justice to those who deserve it. When we're wronged, we go to the police. When it's the police who are in the wrong, and in such a cynical and executed manner, then we have a serious problem. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 12, 2015 11:16:41 GMT
This is not new. It was established a long time ago that he lied about opening the gate. What is new - and no doubt very important to the families - is that he has said it to and in front of the families in a very formal public setting and apologised unreservedly. I was very struck by an interview with one of the relatives on NW TV last night, when she said that this was the first time she had ever seen him, which is extraordinary in some ways but illustrates how important yesterday was.
I would strongly advise anyone who really wants to learn about what happened, as opposed to simply applying their own pre-existing prejudices and mis-information, to read the Independent Panel Report. I have read all 400 pages and it is one of the most impressive pieces of work I have ever read - comprehensive and forensic.
Arising out of that came the Prime Minister's fulsome apology to the families, the new inquests and the setting up of a large investigation team into possible criminality, which is looking at the acts of both individuals and organisations (which will include, inter alia, the police, the ambulance service, the FA, Sheffield Wednesday FC, Sheffield City Council). The inquest jury will eventually reach their decision on how and why people died. We await to see if the outcome of the criminal investigation results in the prosecution of individuals and/or organisations, and if it does, other juries will have to decide, to the criminal not civil standard of proof, whether they are guilty of any offence.
Over the years I have been depressed by some of the things fellow fans have said both on this forum and elsewhere, sometimes borne of simple anti-Liverpool prejudice and/or acceptance of some of the untruths which have been said by media, the police, politicians and others who should have known much better. At last, the HIP report plus the inquests and possible criminal cases further down the line, are enabling the whole truth to come out. Not before time.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 12, 2015 11:24:13 GMT
So will/can the police look into this now and and take retrospective disciplinary action, perhaps take his pension away? Or is incompetence not a crime (rhetorical question)? I'm sure Mr Duckenfield has looked into his options before this confession! I don't believe incompetence is a crime punishable by jail. He might have lost his job if he'd been honest, but he would have been entitled to half a pension and therefore, still been fairly well off. He also would have been able to return to the force in a vocational role, or a union rep role. Duckenfield was able to play the system for 25 odd years, with the help of his police colleagues who are as corrupted as he is. He was able to avoid standing up in court in the original inquest, by claiming ill-health and retiring from the police in 1990. His retirement from the force meant he was not required to attend any of the hearings and evidence could be provided on his behalf. In 1992, the second inquest, the judge put a restriction that all evidence put forward must be new and that old evidence did not need to be looked at again. This caveat gave Duckenfield reasonable grounds to reject any requests to stand up in court as all his evidence had been given in the 1990 inquest. In 1999 (this is the one you probably don't know), Duckenfield requested the DPP block a private prosecution from the Hillsborough families. This request was denied but the DPP told the Hillsborough families, they would have to fund their private prosecution. Duckenfield appealed to South Yorkshire Police to provide a defence team (funded entirely by tax payers money). Duckenfield was given the best defence team money can buy... at our expense, while the Hillsborough families had to raise money for theirs. Duckenfield only stood up in court briefly, and merely allowed his top of the range defence to run rings around the Hillsborough families prosecution. His defence team did everything they could to postpone the trial, break it up, prevent it going ahead, claimed Duckenfield was unwell and not in any condition to give evidence, towards the end, they even used the Chewbacca defence (google it). After 16 hours, the judge impatiently decided the jury was dismissed and acquitted Duckenfield with no verdict. David Duckenfield is the kind of man who deserves to spend his golden years in jail. He's spent the last 25 years drinking expensive wine, living in a nice house on the coast of Bournemouth. Those days are over, hopefully. He needs to spend a good 10 years in jail for not just his actions on the day, but his actions afterwards. Hopefully he can share a jail cell with Norman Bettison, Paul Middup, and Irvine Patnick's rotting corpse. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 12, 2015 11:38:01 GMT
Agree With most of your comments Bob. Unfortunately there are some on here who want to blame the police, All the police and nothing but the police. And, unfortunately, no matter what other evidence is placed before them, they refuse to see it. As I stated in an earlier post, whilst not condoning Duckenfields lies and attempted cover up, I don't blame him for what he did to prevent being presented as a scapegoat on the day when other people incompetency would have been brushed under the carpet and the real truth would never be coming out now at the new inquest. IMO Hillsborough was a disaster waiting to happen and the actions of the police lit the fuse. The police may have not been fully to blame for the physical tragedy, but they are solely to blame for the cover up, the smear campaign, and the denial of truth for 25+ fucking years afterwards mate. The police are there to protect the public, not harm the innocent. Releasing statements about Liverpool fans pick-pocketing the dead, urinating on the coppers trying to give the kiss of life (which turned out to be false) and referring to the dead as 'drunk animals' is absolutely despicable. The police aren't just there to keep the peace, they are there to separate right from wrong. To uphold the laws of the land, to provide justice to those who deserve it. When we're wronged, we go to the police. When it's the police who are in the wrong, and in such a cynical and executed manner, then we have a serious problem. You are right mate, but the inquest does not deal with the aftermath of the tragedy. The remit of an inquest is to establish who died, when they died and how they died. Why they died is for a criminal court to establish as is punishing people for cover ups etc. people are going to be disappointed if they think that criminal charges will result directly from the inquest........the inquest jury/coroner will recommend only and it is up to the CPS to then take matters further to the criminal court. |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 12, 2015 11:39:33 GMT
The police may have not been fully to blame for the physical tragedy, but they are solely to blame for the cover up, the smear campaign, and the denial of truth for 25+ fucking years afterwards mate. The police are there to protect the public, not harm the innocent. Releasing statements about Liverpool fans pick-pocketing the dead, urinating on the coppers trying to give the kiss of life (which turned out to be false) and referring to the dead as 'drunk animals' is absolutely despicable. The police aren't just there to keep the peace, they are there to separate right from wrong. To uphold the laws of the land, to provide justice to those who deserve it. When we're wronged, we go to the police. When it's the police who are in the wrong, and in such a cynical and executed manner, then we have a serious problem. You are right mate, but the inquest does not deal with the aftermath of the tragedy. The remit of an inquest is to establish who died, when they died and how they died. Why they died is for a criminal court to establish as is punishing people for cover ups etc. people are going to be disappointed if they think that criminal charges will result directly from the inquest........the inquest jury/coroner will recommend only and it is up to the CPS to then take matters further to the criminal court. Whether or not the police involved should be tried for manslaughter really isn't up to me. There has to be some justice from this though. Any football fan should want it. |
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Post by bert on Mar 12, 2015 11:46:34 GMT
So will/can the police look into this now and and take retrospective disciplinary action, perhaps take his pension away? Or is incompetence not a crime (rhetorical question)? I'm sure Mr Duckenfield has looked into his options before this confession! I don't believe incompetence is a crime punishable by jail. He might have lost his job if he'd been honest, but he would have been entitled to half a pension and therefore, still been fairly well off. He also would have been able to return to the force in a vocational role, or a union rep role. Duckenfield was able to play the system for 25 odd years, with the help of his police colleagues who are as corrupted as he is. He was able to avoid standing up in court in the original inquest, by claiming ill-health and retiring from the police in 1990. His retirement from the force meant he was not required to attend any of the hearings and evidence could be provided on his behalf. In 1992, the second inquest, the judge put a restriction that all evidence put forward must be new and that old evidence did not need to be looked at again. This caveat gave Duckenfield reasonable grounds to reject any requests to stand up in court as all his evidence had been given in the 1990 inquest. In 1999 (this is the one you probably don't know), Duckenfield requested the DPP block a private prosecution from the Hillsborough families. This request was denied but the DPP told the Hillsborough families, they would have to fund their private prosecution. Duckenfield appealed to South Yorkshire Police to provide a defence team (funded entirely by tax payers money). Duckenfield was given the best defence team money can buy... at our expense, while the Hillsborough families had to raise money for theirs. Duckenfield only stood up in court briefly, and merely allowed his top of the range defence to run rings around the Hillsborough families prosecution. His defence team did everything they could to postpone the trial, break it up, prevent it going ahead, claimed Duckenfield was unwell and not in any condition to give evidence, towards the end, they even used the Chewbacca defence (google it). After 16 hours, the judge impatiently decided the jury was dismissed and acquitted Duckenfield with no verdict. David Duckenfield is the kind of man who deserves to spend his golden years in jail. He's spent the last 25 years drinking expensive wine, living in a nice house on the coast of Bournemouth. Those days are over, hopefully. He needs to spend a good 10 years in jail for not just his actions on the day, but his actions afterwards. Hopefully he can share a jail cell with Norman Bettison, Paul Middup, and Irvine Patnick's rotting corpse. Dead right mate. Even after all these years I still fucking despise Duckenfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 12:05:02 GMT
This! And people will use this latest news to try and strengthen their argument that the fans had nothing to do with events if that day. Duckenfield is scum but the hands of many liverpool fans are still dirty to this day. Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. None of the deceased are to blame, and no one is, or has ever suggested likewise. After all, they got to the ground nice and early and were not adding to the chaos outside. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2015 12:11:20 GMT
Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. None of the deceased are to blame, and no one is, or has ever suggested likewise. After all, they got to the ground nice and early and were not adding to the chaos outside. I said earlier I was not going to post on this thread but I can't ignore this bollocks How many times does it need pointing out that the fans WERE NOT TO BLAME for this tragedy ? Have you read Malcolm's post above ?....why are so many of you totally disregarding everything that's pointed out to you ? It's nothing short of pathetic and an anti Liverpool agenda .....no more no less Hang your fucking heads in shame and that is my final post on this thread |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 12, 2015 12:20:08 GMT
So will/can the police look into this now and and take retrospective disciplinary action, perhaps take his pension away? Or is incompetence not a crime (rhetorical question)? I'm sure Mr Duckenfield has looked into his options before this confession! I don't believe incompetence is a crime punishable by jail. He might have lost his job if he'd been honest, but he would have been entitled to half a pension and therefore, still been fairly well off. He also would have been able to return to the force in a vocational role, or a union rep role. Duckenfield was able to play the system for 25 odd years, with the help of his police colleagues who are as corrupted as he is. He was able to avoid standing up in court in the original inquest, by claiming ill-health and retiring from the police in 1990. His retirement from the force meant he was not required to attend any of the hearings and evidence could be provided on his behalf. In 1992, the second inquest, the judge put a restriction that all evidence put forward must be new and that old evidence did not need to be looked at again. This caveat gave Duckenfield reasonable grounds to reject any requests to stand up in court as all his evidence had been given in the 1990 inquest. In 1999 (this is the one you probably don't know), Duckenfield requested the DPP block a private prosecution from the Hillsborough families. This request was denied but the DPP told the Hillsborough families, they would have to fund their private prosecution. Duckenfield appealed to South Yorkshire Police to provide a defence team (funded entirely by tax payers money). Duckenfield was given the best defence team money can buy... at our expense, while the Hillsborough families had to raise money for theirs. Duckenfield only stood up in court briefly, and merely allowed his top of the range defence to run rings around the Hillsborough families prosecution. His defence team did everything they could to postpone the trial, break it up, prevent it going ahead, claimed Duckenfield was unwell and not in any condition to give evidence, towards the end, they even used the Chewbacca defence (google it). After 16 hours, the judge impatiently decided the jury was dismissed and acquitted Duckenfield with no verdict. David Duckenfield is the kind of man who deserves to spend his golden years in jail. He's spent the last 25 years drinking expensive wine, living in a nice house on the coast of Bournemouth. Those days are over, hopefully. He needs to spend a good 10 years in jail for not just his actions on the day, but his actions afterwards. Hopefully he can share a jail cell with Norman Bettison, Paul Middup, and Irvine Patnick's rotting corpse. There may be a case for Manslaughter by Gross Negligence. And there must surely some perjury there somewhere. Whatever way - this man should be in jail. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 12, 2015 12:33:35 GMT
I think we are mostly in broad agreement - as in medical negligence cases those affected should be compensated as per any professional malpractice - no different here IMHO - gross professional negligence, incompetence and / or dereliction of duty would appear to be the order of the day in this case and those involved should rightly be held to account. I personally think that re the specific and direct events on the day this falls short of criminal or wilful negligence.
However, what allegedly happened in the immediate aftermath and thereafter is where those involved should start to face criminal consequences as should it be proven, this would surely be tantamount to perrverting the course of justice? - again IMHO.
Lastly, picking up on one of the comments above I had not realised that the scope of the current inquest did not include the more serious allegations of lies, cover-ups and perversion after the fact - is that correct and if so will that be addressed separately?
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Post by draytondave on Mar 12, 2015 13:42:56 GMT
None of the deceased are to blame, and no one is, or has ever suggested likewise. After all, they got to the ground nice and early and were not adding to the chaos outside. I said earlier I was not going to post on this thread but I can't ignore this bollocks How many times does it need pointing out that the fans WERE NOT TO BLAME for this tragedy ? Have you read Malcolm's post above ?....why are so many of you totally disregarding everything that's pointed out to you ? It's nothing short of pathetic and an anti Liverpool agenda .....no more no less Hang your fucking heads in shame and that is my final post on this thread They were not to blame but they played their part in proceedings. If if had been any club it would be the same. How many Stokies would have gone there with a ticket and darted for an open door if they saw 1? I know I would have. Of course they are not fully to blame but neither are they totally blameless. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 12, 2015 13:57:33 GMT
Think people are getting ahead of themselves here. Let's not forget that the scope of the inquests includes such matters as design of the stadium and the preparation of it for the match, planning by police and other organisations, movement and distribution of fans, overcrowding at the match and the police response, including the critical decision to open the gate. People are focussing too much on Duckenfields lies and cover up after the event, which, whilst despicable and possibly criminal, are not a subject for the inquest, even though he has chosen to make his apologies about his conduct after the event when giving evidence. I doubt he will face any criminal charges for negligence because he has portraid himself as incompetent due to inexperience on the day and a poor choice as commander. Criminal charges for perjury, if it was committed, and certainly for perverting the course of justice could follow later.
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Post by Davef on Mar 12, 2015 14:08:28 GMT
I said earlier I was not going to post on this thread but I can't ignore this bollocks How many times does it need pointing out that the fans WERE NOT TO BLAME for this tragedy ? Have you read Malcolm's post above ?....why are so many of you totally disregarding everything that's pointed out to you ? It's nothing short of pathetic and an anti Liverpool agenda .....no more no less Hang your fucking heads in shame and that is my final post on this thread They were not to blame but they played their part in proceedings. If if had been any club it would be the same. How many Stokies would have gone there with a ticket and darted for an open door if they saw 1? I know I would have. Of course they are not fully to blame but neither are they totally blameless. "Darted for an open door". FFS. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 14:17:58 GMT
Sick of hearing about this, it has no place on a Stoke City forum.
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Post by Davef on Mar 12, 2015 14:20:34 GMT
Sick of hearing about this, it has no place on a Stoke City forum. You could always ignore or not open the thread. It's pretty obvious what it's about. |
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Post by RAF on Mar 12, 2015 21:14:04 GMT
This! And people will use this latest news to try and strengthen their argument that the fans had nothing to do with events if that day. Duckenfield is scum but the hands of many liverpool fans are still dirty to this day. Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. So back to my original question. Has anyone on the oatcake ever suggested that the Police didn't lie? H |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2015 21:23:50 GMT
Fucking hell. Only on the oatcake could Duckenfield's confession be used as a prompt to further blacken the name of innocent supporters who 96 of whom were killed unlawfully. I mean did the independent panel not happen? Did the Prime Minister (a fucking Tory Prime Minister) say the families had suffered a "double injustice", both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", AND in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths" Not in oatcake land, lets have another pop at the fans. So back to my original question. Has anyone on the oatcake ever suggested that the Police didn't lie? H Yes and that Liverpool fans allegedly stubbing fags out on Police horses was a major factor, eh RAF? |
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Post by RAF on Mar 12, 2015 21:42:52 GMT
So back to my original question. Has anyone on the oatcake ever suggested that the Police didn't lie? H Yes and that Liverpool fans allegedly stubbing fags out on Police horses was a major factor, eh RAF? Who said that? Certainly not me. Please direct me to a quote from someone saying that they thought Police didn't lie. H |
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Post by minty1964 on Mar 12, 2015 22:08:35 GMT
Everyone who's studied the detail enough knows this chap has elected to be the "sacred cow"
Ultimately, Margaret Thatcher had direct dealings with the aftermath of this event and said she will supervise the outcome; and clearly blamed the Liverpool fans....now proved conclusively innacurate
she also covered up the Leon Brittain sex abuse incidents...losing the files orate...trying to disprove as we speak
she also caused the miners strike, by infiltrating the miners union with spy's and troublemakers...later proved conclusively
she also covered up the child abuse incidents of northern england, again now proved
she had reporters and special police infiltrating footy hooligan mobs to encite trouble to manufacture arrests,,,proved again
she sent us to war in 1982 to win an election, if you read max hastings' book you will see she started this path many years before the event (just in case she was in trouble in an election)
she covered up for saville, Cyril Smith, rolph, glitter and the rest of the politicians we dont know about...
sorry about the rant
but the lot in downing street have waited till she died so she couldn't get sent down...and then start lifting stones...
disgraceful police has a root cause...disgraceful direction and policy making from their bosses, the government
(and I couldn't care less who is in charge,,,,they are all now and always have been a chuffin disgrace)
and they say football is unregulated and needs their guidance, i so very think NOT
Dave
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Post by doitforfrank on Mar 12, 2015 23:50:31 GMT
Sick of hearing about this, it has no place on a Stoke City forum. And thats where you are wrong. Only a few months earlier at an FA Cup replay at Barnsley the exact same thing could have happened to Stoke fans. The South Yorkshire Police (Yes, the same force) decided to open a gate which allowed many ticketless Stokies into the ground, which IF it had had pens similar to Hillsborough could have caused a crush and many many Stoke fans would have been injured/killed. South Yorkshire police at that time were incompetent beyond belief and anyone in the higher reaches of that time should be made to pay/suffer for the anguish and suffering they have caused to the families of 96 FOOTBALL fans, and to ensure it can NEVER happen again. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 13, 2015 0:09:50 GMT
Duckenfield first admitted and publicly apologised for his lie on 26th May 1989. It was the main item on the news after Arsenal won the league at Anfield.
The most significant factor in all this is the police were instructed by senior officers to blame the disaster on “drunken, ticketless Liverpool fans” - and told to gather evidence to that effect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2015 9:38:42 GMT
Sick of hearing about this, it has no place on a Stoke City forum. And thats where you are wrong. Only a few months earlier at an FA Cup replay at Barnsley the exact same thing could have happened to Stoke fans. The South Yorkshire Police (Yes, the same force) decided to open a gate which allowed many ticketless Stokies into the ground, which IF it had had pens similar to Hillsborough could have caused a crush and many many Stoke fans would have been injured/killed. South Yorkshire police at that time were incompetent beyond belief and anyone in the higher reaches of that time should be made to pay/suffer for the anguish and suffering they have caused to the families of 96 FOOTBALL fans, and to ensure it can NEVER happen again. But it didn't happen to Stoke fans and never will in the same manner, we have all seater stadiums now. Still doesn't belong on a Stoke forum for me. |
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